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    So it seems tax is your main concern.

    Accountants can only give tax advice. Assignement of a contract or recission etc is legal advice and you need to talk to a lawyer – not a conveyancer.

    I don't know if your trust is valid. The internal structure of the trust is important. There could be some asset protection issues with the way you have set it up.

    What do you mean appoint a successor? Who has this power? How is it exercised – have you done it yet – whether appointing a back up appointor by deed or by your will. There is a recent case involving a trust and an experienced lawyer who had himself appointed new appointor of a trust controlled by his dad. Dad later died and the appointment was invalid – someone else took control of the trust.

    Sounds like you are manipulating the rent to break even – is this arms lenght? Why pay rent? Why not do it arms length and have the trust make a loss? Why do you think you cannot make a loss if living there? Do you have a private ruling? Whats the reasoning?

    How does stamp duty in SA work? On the deposit? In NSW you pay stamp duty on the contract of sale.

    Does duty result if you change names on the contract or if the person that settles the contract is different to the one who signs the contract?

    I am a bit concerned you are using an accountant for advice, except for the rent issue all of this is legal advice.

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    Couple of points:

    – Why are you considering the trust for this property? i.e what are you trying to achieve?

    – You seem to be getting advice from a conveyancer on the assignment to the trust – what are the legal implications of this? You have signed in your name and are supplying the deposit….

    – How is your trust structured?

    – What are the succession issues?

    – What happens if you lose capacity?

    – land tax issues?

    – If you pay the trust rent but the trust not claim any deductions (why do you think you cannot do this?) then the trust will have income and you will end up paying tax on the rent you pay to your trust.

    – Any stamp duty implications on changing names before settlement? (which state?)

    BTW, You can't be only beneficiary of the trust – or it wouldn't be a discretionary trust. You may be the only named beneficiary? You can also not have a trust with one person being the trustee and the sole beneficiary – there would be no trust. A trust is where B owns property for C.

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    cs_rlewis wrote:
    hi everyone,

    A few months back i accessed the equity in my investment property (about 52K) to fund another property i was purchasing. Suppose i was to sell this property (the property i used to access the equity), are any capital gains i make on the property free to me to use however i want? Or do i have to pay off my equity loan.

    Thanks,

    Ryan

    You can do with your money as you please, but the interest on the $52k loan will no longer be deductible.

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    Keep detailed ;omg term records of every thing as you won't be able to claim the main residence CGT exemption in full, ever.

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    Smoke and mirrors!

    What is her definition of a vestey trust?

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    Hi Plummer,

    This is a good point. Years ago I used to do my own rate returns and work it all out for myself and then give it over to the tax agent for processing. He always found things I have missed and this usually was enough to pay for the return. Doing it myself and reading the tax packs was the best way of learning.

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    Lawyers make more money than the original cost would have been by fixing up DIY mistakes! I guess accounts too. Amending 2 to 4 years of tax returns for example.

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    Unless the buyer is handing over the payment price at settlement the seller will not have the cash needed to buy the new one (unless from other sources). Same with you selling on installment contract.

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    But how do you know if it is going to be an easy conveyance?

    Conveyancers are not qualfied to advise in other related areas either – sucession issues, asset protection, bankruptcy.

    What if it turns out to be the executor of a deceased estate…

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    Interesting question.

    I don't know the definitive answer but would suspect it would not be classed as your main residence while you are absent. So this may effect your pension. Once you move back in you may be able to count it as a main residence agian.

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    No CGT likely as this seems to be a profit making enterprise rather than a long term investment. Profit likely to be taxed as income. Since new property involved GST would be on the sale price – possibly able to apply margin scheme

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    Unfortunately you won't be able to deduct any interest on your loan as you will be borrowing to buy a new owern occupied property.

    You should seek some tax advice as there are possibly a few things you could do to enhance your situation.

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    keenan031 wrote:

    If you are talking about that company (C….) then I believe they are not tax advisors and don't advise, but their method involves capitalising interest, but not claiming the interest on the capitalised portion.[/quote]

    Terryw….yes that's the one I'm on about. Does this mean that they do it in a legit way? 

    I have substantial savings and this was the reason for my initial enquiry…..I want to be able to over time (hopefully) … use property to create financial freedom and wanted to know the thoughts on this way of doing business. 

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    Hi Keenan

    I imagine they would be doing things properly. but I am not sure of the details . I think they refer people to Bantacs for the tax side and Bantacs are legit.

    If you have substantial savings there are other strategies to consider as well for added tax and asset protection.

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    keenan031 wrote:
    Trickeymickey,

    The system that I was enquiring about is NOT out of the book. It is how a particular property services company acquires IPs for your portfolio…..or as far as I am aware at this stage.

    I found the book to be a good read.

    If you are talking about that company (C….) then I believe they are not tax advisors and don’t advise, but their method involves capitalising interest, but not claiming the interest on the capitalised portion.

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    You might also want to look at

    TD 2008/27

    http://law.ato.gov.au/atolaw/view.htm?docid=TXD/TD200827/NAT/ATO/00001

    The principles governing the deductibility of compound interest are the same as those governing the deductibility of ordinary interest

    PBR 69725

    PBR 78123

    PBR 94265

    PBR 81797

    PBR 93707

    PBR 94313

    PBR 93035

    PBR 1011345133229

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    Yes, it is capitalising interest. This involves borrowing to pay investment property interest and diverting the rental income to pay off your non deductible debt.

    ATO will likely disallow this if you are doing it with the dominant purpose of a tax advantage. See the

    TD 2012/1

    Income tax: can Part IVA of the Income Tax Assessment Act 1936 apply to deny a deduction for some, or all, of the interest expense incurred in respect of an 'investment loan interest payment arrangement' of the type described in this Determination?

    http://law.ato.gov.au/atolaw/view.htm?docid=%22TXD%2FTD20121%2FNAT%2FATO%2F00001%22 from 20

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    1. Standard government charge – probably on your loan agreement

    2. You can pay the fee into the loan and this owuld be the same as if you paid it in cash

    3. no

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    Possible stamp duty issues.

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    PaulDobson wrote:
    Sorry about the broken link It's now fixed and here it is again;  CLICK HERE

    Yes, the knock on effect for all seminar presenters may be interesting.

    Cheers,  Paul

    Thanks Paul. Rick doesn’t actually say much does he.

    And interesting what the flow on effect will be.

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    Ditto. Interesting but the otton link not work.

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