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    Hello, If I sell my IP but I have never lived in it, is there anything I can do to demonstrate that I “lived” in the property within the 6 year window so I don’t have to pay CGT? Asking for a friend Thanks Bobby

    No.

     

    The requirement is not ‘live’ but reside in it as your main residence.

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    The directors and shareholders of the company must also list their home addresses and these are publically searchable too. Most of my clients use their home addresses for both the registered office and principal place of business.

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    I still haven’t read the legislation but believe the risk is having to sell while being overseas – then there is no exemption, no 50% CGT discount and potentially huge capital gains tax as a result. I know there are some small concessions for dying overseas – but not much of a concession.

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    Don’t forget that a trust is not a legal entity, so you would have to transfer it to the trustee of the trust.

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    Well trusts are legal devices and only lawyers should advise on them. But transferring property to a trustee or declaring a trust over property will be a CGT event so perhaps a tax agent would be best for the first point of call as if the CGT is large you might not want to proceed.

     

    Ones you think it is worth considering them  you need to seek legal advice on

    a) the legal consequences, and then

    b) the terms of the trust, structuring the trustee, how to fund the trust etc.

     

    Actually first point of call might be a broker as not having the ability for the trustee to finance it may mean there is no point.

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    I have 2 separate clients at the moment who are being held back because of joint purchases with others.

     

    You should seek specific legal advice – from a lawyer – but something that can work in some cases is buying in single names with the other lending the deposit. After a while this will quickly eat up borrowing capacity and then going in together in a way that allows easy exit later but joint income for borrowing capacity now can work.

     

    Depending on the location of land this could be a fixed unit trust or even 2 discretionary trusts holding the one property. Companies can be considered too in some states.

     

    Best to seek specific advice

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    a casual worker would need 3 to 12 months in the job to be considered. If LMI is involved some lenders won’t consider casual works as the sole borrower.

     

    You might be able to change to part timmme to help qualify for the loan

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    A deposit is only one aspect to consider, income is the other main one. As a general rule of thumb you can borrow about 6 to 7 times your annual gross salary.

    But watch out if the work is casual as it will be much harder to qualify

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    Sounds like it might be on revenue account or partially capital and partially revenue.

     

    If you can get it on capital account you could potentially renovate, live in the first house for 3 months and sell it CGT free.

     

    If you just want to reno and sell it would probably be on revenue account which might have a similar outcome anyway. Don’t forget to get advice on the GST aspects.

     

    as for cost base you would need to apportion between the 2 factoring in both the land and the house.

    see s 112-25 ITAA97 and s 112-30ITAA97

     

    Don’t forget the deductibility of interest too.

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    Structuring like this is legal advice so you will need a lawyer. They would need to consider the child support legislation – which I have never looked at, but I would imagine there would be provisions in there to count the income of trusts and companies which you control, even if not named as controlling.

     

    One way to structure it might be to divert income to the new spouse who buys as trustee of a discretionary trust which you are an unnamed beneficiary of. You not take an income or distribution from the trust until all the children are over the child support age.

    But this has consequences which you need legal advice on – tax, family law (what if split from new spouse), asset protection, land tax, borrowing ability etc.

     

    Proper advice on this sort of thing would cost you a few thousand I imagine.

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    The legislation still has an example involving someone moving overseas

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    i haven’t examined the recent changes. But I think the 6 year rule might still be able to be used if the property is sold when the taxpayer is a resident again.

     

    seek tax advice.

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    Got an offset account to save into instead of paying extra off the loan?

    You might need to go fulltime if you want to borrow further.

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    Depends on the wording in the lease.

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    First thing to do is to look at the land tax act and the definition of principal residence and see if you have a choice. You probably don’t. It will be a question of fact, not the ability to select. See if there is a definition – which will probably be the one which is the ‘main’ place with all of your belongings.

    If there is a choice possible, you would want to choose the one with the highest land value, so you should find out what the land value of each is worth.

    Don’t forget to consider the CGT aspects too.

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    Have a read of your loan agreement and see if you have contracted to inform them.
    Even if you have the penalty for breaching this would likely amount to nothing.

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    Everyone would pay tax! (Restaurants would go out of business)

    Actually not everyone – some will barter. Bartering might even make a bit of a come back.

    Yesterday or the day before CBA network was down, but all you would have to do, as a consumer, is to use another card from another bank. It would be harder for shops and those taking money though.

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    I think many would be interested. It is not just the cost of LMI that stops people, but the LMI company rejecting the loan for a variety of reasons.

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    You would need specific legal advice, as what is suitable for one person may not be suitable for another. What works in QLD property may be too costly for NSW property for example. structuring loans will depend on who the legal ownership, serviceability, security value, other assets, interest rates etc.

    If you have any specific questions ask away, I specialise in structuring.

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    yes
    why not

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