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Good news. Considering the penalties in China and the lack of proper legal process I find it amazing that anyone would give it a shot. The penalty is often death without a fair and proper trial.
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2 issues here
1. You cannot reimburse yourself
2. Part of the loan will be not deductible as a result, ending with a mixed purpose loan.
There is a simple solution. Borrow the $60k from someone else, properly document it, and then refinance this loan. Needs to be done properly.
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I do.
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cybersimon wrote:Hi all,Just to give you some background to my question – My partner and I currently have two properties and are hoping to purchase another one before too long. Our current properties are both slightly negatively geared, so we would like to now find one or more positive cashflow properties to complement them.
Our current properties are in both of our names, and are "cross securitised". (I'm now fully aware that this isn't the best situation, but we did it at the time as we didn't have the 20% deposit.)
* The properties are worth about $600,000.
* We owe about $480,000 on them.
The questions I have are around choosing the correct structure for our next purchase…
1. I recently read one of Steve's books, which indicated that there is a real benefit in borrowing with a trust and company setup, in order to borrow again and again without the limitations of being seen by lenders as "maxed out". Who has tried this? Does it really work?
2. Is structuring our next purchase with a trust and company as the trustee where I am the director likely to work for us in terms of providing greater borrowing capacity? Or have we effectively shot ourselves in the foot by purchasing the first two properties in our own names?
Your thoughts would be much appreciated.
Cheers,
Simon
As a trust lawyer and mortgage broker I must say I agree with Jamie – it doesn’t work that way.
There are many ways to structure things without trusts or with a trust but without it owning the property. Many things to consider also about structuring besides the obvious taxation and borrowing issues – one people often overlook is death and incapacity – what would happen to you/brother if either one died or became legally incapacitated (crazy, in a coma etc)? Add to that divorce!
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Ynchai wrote:Hi, I am hoping someone can share with me the strategy to pay off your debt in 5 years. I currently have a mortgage of $400k with yearly income of $100k. Current loan repayment is IO. Rental income is $25k/yr.Appreciate any strategy sharing or even a comment if this is even achievable/ not. Thanks
Firstly you should consider whether you should pay off a loan or not – many consequences.
If you want to pay off $400k in 5 years then you must pay an average of $80,000 per year off the loan in addition to paying the interest. Based on that salary and rental income this may be a tad difficult. So think of ways to increase your income and decrease your expenses. Maximise the tax benefits by claiming everything possible that you could claim and go for the lowest interest rate possible – with the features you need.
And finally, it is not a race. Home loans are meant to take 30 years to pay off so don’t worry too much
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seti wrote:Hi all,Myself and a friend are thinking of starting a renovating for profit business and I have a few questions regarding finance, however just a few points to make sure you all know where our heads are at. We think that my friend will need to keep working while I renovate the properties, until the banks can see that the business creates enough money to service the loans, then he will quite his job and we will both work full time in the business. Now to the questions:
1. Will the banks lend to us if the income we earn is through selling the properties that the loans are for?
2. I imagine we would need to go down the path of low doc loans?
Thanks for your assistance in this and i am sure there will be more questions that arise. I also have a post up in the legal side of house in regards to setups and taxes.
cheers.
It will be difficult. If the profits are listed as capital gains then it would be unlikely that this would be treated as a business. If income then maybe after 2 years or so.
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No Australian lender would be willing to lend based on overseas security. It would be a legal nightmare to lodge mortgages in a foreign jurisdiction and even worse to enforce if you stopped repayments.
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propertymistro wrote:I have a home loan with a 5.2% variable rate and offset account. Basically, I am wondering is it necessary to have the offset account home loan for taxation purposes (as I claim tax deductions for the properties home loan interest expenses). I have heard it is is complex to not have an offset account as when you take money out of a redraw home loan account it makes things messy for taxation reasons.However, a lot of the cheaper loans don't have an offset account and I'm looking to change to a home loan with just a redraw account. If I change to another loan with just a redraw and no offset account and regularly have money coming in and out of the redraw account, will this create a mess come taxation time?
Thanks in advance for your help.
If the property is a main resident there should be no tax issues. But if it were to ever become an investment property then the issues would arise. Depending on the circumstances you could end up with a large loan without being able to deduct any of the interest.
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fredo_4305 wrote:HI All,I will be more than likely buying out the other half of a property I own with my partner.
It is currently under finance and has LMI. I know I will have to pay more stamp duty but will I have to pay LMI again?
I have also been making all the repayments myself which are trackable. Will this put me in good stead for the refinance approval? There is not much profit currently in the property so won't have to pay out much if anything.
I think LMI would be payable again because ownership is changing.
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peo wrote:Thanks guys.Terry I had a look at the section you pointed me to, covered lots of areas simaler to mine, but more from an angle of making a PPOR an IP.
I will keep on digging.
If anyone out there does have a dedinative answer or has been through this scenario I would live to hear the result.
Cheers
In that case it might be s118-190
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s 118-192 ITAA 1997 from memory
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Seek legal and credit advice.
My be little point in putting your wife on the loan as she would reducce serviceability but you would be doubly at risk if things go wrong. Of course there are other reasons to consider too.
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Land tax is an additional problem to consider – possible concessions in vic, but not NSW. Stamp duty would be the same whether trust or individual.
Loss of the land tax exemption and the CGT exemption are the major reasons to avoid using a DT. However it may be worthwhile for some people. I have many specialist medical clients, lawyer clients yet none live in a trust owned property – but I have a 'business man' who does.
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Ynchai wrote:Thank you so much for your replies. Really helpful.@terryw, i just read the tax case you referred to, it sounds like the interest on creating capital is not tax deductible, and construction could ve argue as capital creation even with intention to rent out the property so based on this case, it wont be tax deductible during construction. Am i reading the case correctly?
Outgoings of interest are a recurrent expense. The fact that borrowed funds may be used to purchase a capital asset does not mean the interest outgoings are therefore on capital account (see Steele 99 ATC 4242 at 4249; (1999) 41 ATR 139 at 148).
See TR 2004/4
Income tax: deductions for interest incurred prior to the commencement of, or following the cessation of, relevant income earning activities
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Depends on the circumstances, but generally you would if it is your intention to rent the property out once it is complete, the precedent case is "Steele"
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Mgs4 wrote:Terryw wrote:Mgs4 wrote:Normally do mortgage brokers have websites or PDF docs with loan comparisons on key metrics eg interest rates, annual fees, maximum LVR etc. As loans are relatively commoditized products the main variables are total costs (ir, fees etc.) and ease of application (LVR and other relevant constraints). The tricky thing I find is brokers can access different rates to what the average person can, so using online comparison websites often isn't on accurate comparison if your going to go through a broker.Yes, most brokers would have such soft ware which compares all costs of various loans.
But is this normally provided to the client or do brokers normally like to keep this internally as their "value add"?
provided
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PCF Investor wrote:Hi Guys,Just like the subject states. What happens if I used the equity of house A to buy house B and then wanted to sell house A? Is there a more effective way of structuring the loan to have a better outcome?
Cheers
Depends how you have structured it.
If cross collateralised, the one loan will be secured by 2 properties. so you will need to gain the lenders permission to release the sold property. This generally won’t be a property if you are releasing the investment property secured by your PPOR – usually the release won’t effect the loan on the PPOR.
But imagine you have a PPOR and then use this to borrow 105% for the investment property. You then sell the PPOR. The bank will only release this security if the LVR on the investment property will be an acceptable level, such as 80% lvr. This may mean you need to pay down this investment property loan = not idea because when you go to get your new PPOR you will have less cash which means higher non deductible debt.
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Another way to use equity is to borrow from a LOC on one propertyand then use ‘cash’ for deposit and no cross collateralising.
If you sell either property there is no requirement to pay down loan if either property sold. You would need to discharge the loans on the property securing it, ie the loc on property A, but the remaining loan would not need to be reduced. For tax reasons things may be different – sale of an investment property may mean you cannot keep claiming interest on any loans kept open – depending on the circumstances.
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Mgs4 wrote:Normally do mortgage brokers have websites or PDF docs with loan comparisons on key metrics eg interest rates, annual fees, maximum LVR etc. As loans are relatively commoditized products the main variables are total costs (ir, fees etc.) and ease of application (LVR and other relevant constraints). The tricky thing I find is brokers can access different rates to what the average person can, so using online comparison websites often isn't on accurate comparison if your going to go through a broker.Yes, most brokers would have such soft ware which compares all costs of various loans.
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Why should I do it?
How do I do it?
Where do I go to do it?
How long does it take to set up?
If I settle on a property one week from now and I need to change the sale of contract and loan from being in my own name to a trust, can it be done in a week?
1. A trust is a legal arrangement where A holds property for B. You may do this to benefit your family members for years to come, to make it tax effective, estate planning and to make the investment tax effecient.
2. Generally a trust deed is executed and someone called a settlor hands over some sort of property to the trustee and asks them to hold this on trust. Initial property is usually $10 for stamp duty reasons
3. Solicitor
4. 30 seconds – but you need to allow preparation time, thinking time etc
5. Best to do it before you exchange contracts. You will need to redo the loans, consider stamp duty implications, asset protection implications and deposit. Speak to a lawyer quickly as it may still be doable (not a conveyancer!). Also speak to your broker next, or maybe first.
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Of course you need to state your name when entering a contract – otherwise who would the contract be with? If you don't want to put your name you could speak to a lawyer about using a nominee or a bare trustee to sign contract – beware of stamp duty implications.
No strict need for an address but this is common as you need to be indentifable – there may be many John Smiths out there, so the address would distinguish them.
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