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Cata, I don’t beleive you are correct on the ATO passing regulation against capitalised interest deduction claims. If you are referring to the Harts versus ATO case, the judges did not rule specifically on capitalised interest as an invalid deduction. Indeed they commented under other circumstances that the interest claim would be valid, but in this particular case they found the split loan arrangement was a contrived setup specifically for taxation purposes, and thus the capitalised interest claimed through this contrived arrangement not deductable.
Tasman
I have two investment loans with Homepath, and are very pleased with the low interest rates. The loans were refinances from other lender for the lower rates of Homepath, and the drawing of increased equity in properties for investment purposes. Organising the loans was straight forwards. After the initial internet application, express post of documents by Homepath was employed. The loans did take a while to settle, about 8 weeks from application, but as refinances this did not matter. No documents were lost, and any enquiries on status of loan was a simple phone call to the lender, up to 10pm at night.
As to the loans having no features, well they have the features that I required. Low interest rate; variable; interest only; no application fees; no break costs at the time I signed the contracts; direct debit repayments. They have redraw feature which is not relevant when paying interest only. Topup is now available to draw on increasing equity. No offset savings accounts are available, but then I don’t want offset on my IP loans, as I have offset savings account linked to my PPOR loan with another lender. Also have LOC with other lender.
So when one has another lender to provide loans with features complementing simple Homepath loans, Homepath becomes a viable source of cheaper IP funds.
Tasman
Originally posted by Terryw:You have your poprerty loan PI, and IO on the investment loan. You also have a LOC set up against your home loan. When interest is due on the home loan, you can pay this from your LOC. When rates etc are due for the IP, pay these also from your LOC.
Terry, why would you pay home (PPOR) loan interest from another loan account? The interest on this particlar drawing from loan (LOC) would not be tax deductable as the drawings have been used for private purposes.
Also to think that you have released equivilent income to the interest paid by LOC on PPOR for further reduction of PPOR debt is countered by the consumption of your LOC.
You have done three things, one is transferred non deductable debt from PPOR loan to non deductable debt in LOC,ie; have not reduced private debt.
Secondly, you have comsumed some of your LOC that was available for deductible investment purposes and subsequent deductible interest expense.
From first point, transferred debt for PPOR to LOC without benefit, and secondly also reduced your LOC balance for investment. You could of course really mess around and redraw from your PPOR loan for investment purpose.
Thirdly you have made a mess of your LOC, as you now have mixed borrowing for private and investment purpose in the one loan account. This requires calculation of private interest and deductable interest every time interest is charged (usually monthly) on that account. If your drawings occur on any day other than the first day of each interest chargeable period, then you need to calculate the private debt/investment debt position daily (banks calculate interest daily) for calculation of private interest and investment interest per day, and total daily interest charges for the month or total 365 days interest for financial year.
For your consideration
Tasman
Stuart,
Referring to Wizard loans, restricting repayment periods to monthly does not mean the loan is more expensive than another variable loan paid fortnightly. You can simply increase your monthly repayments to whatever level your budget and planning allows to achieve your goals.Cheers
Tasman
Originally posted by Stuart Wemyss:5.87% is a very low rate. It’s 1.45% below the standard variable rate. There are some restrictions with these cheap loans so they’re not for everyone.
1. Only for purchase of owner occupier property (no refinance or investment).
2. Can only make monthly P&I repayments. This is a big downside because making fortnightly repayments can save a lot of money… around 20% to 25% of total interest. So if you make allowance for this (and add 20% onto the interest rate) it is equivalent to approximately 7%… not such a good deal anymore.
Not for everyone. But no one can deny… it is a very cheap rate on the face of it
Cheers
Stu
Stuart,
You have quoted fortnightly P&I repayments saving 20% to 25% interest over P&I repayments paid monthly. I have previously run the figures through my mortgage calculator and found this not to be true, eg;
$300,000 loan P&I over 30 years at 7% interest. The interest you would pay over 30 years if you pay monthly is $418,524, and fortnightly $416,810, a difference of $1714, ie 0.4%difference. Thus what you claim is nonsense.What I do believe is most claims for fortnightly repayments are based on the assumption the notional monthly P&I payment is divided by two and paid fortnightly, thereby actually increasing your annual repayments and shorting the loan period.
A few more figures to illustrate.
The monthly option would require payments of $1995.91, and the equivalent fortnightly requires $918.98, however if you divide the notional monthly by two giving $998, and pay this fortnightly it reduces the term from 780 payments to 614 payments and the interest is $312,479. Again it is because you have increased your ongoing repayment amounts, rather than switching to fortnightly repayments.Tasman
Originally posted by kwilko:Hi Nat
Some IO Loans. These are base variable rates not discounted or honeymoon.
NAB LOC under package 6.47%
IO Base Variable Rate 6.47%
NAB Variable under package 6.37%Suncorp: Elite Ready Access: 6.37%
IMB- Budget Investment Loan : 6.45%
Bankwest- Lite investment loan : 6.45%
ANZ: Breakfree package: Variable investment loan 6.47%
All rates are indication only.
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Hi Kwilko, your have listed some likely IO loans without any justification other than their most important favorable interest rates. However your statement that they are base variable rates is incorrect. All the package loans you refer to are discounted rates. I suspect when you refer to ‘discounted’ your are refering to honeymoon discounted rates. ANZ, CBA, National, Westpac and St George base variable rates range from 7.07% to 7.17%, hovever they all offer permanent discounts varying from 0.4% to 0.7% in package offerings.
Non bank lenders appear in advertisements to offer better rates than most banks base variable rates, as their advertised rates are already discounted, whereas banks package discounts have to be ‘revealed’.
Nat, why don’t you try infochoice.com.au/banking for listings in spreadsheet of lenders and rates. You can sort tables of lenders by column headers, ie; interest rate, lender, other loan features. Bear in mind package discounts need to be applied to most bank offerings listed.
Homepath.com.au(owned by CBA) has loans at 6.15% and is listed as top ranking for advertised loan features by a few sources.
However what is really best for you depends on your circumstances which you have not posted, and if you do not have time or inclination to research, a broker could be a very good option.
Cheers
Tasman
Hi Obiwan,
I tend to agree with Ausprop. The Australian property market although in a post boom period, is in a fairly sound positon.The Australian economy is strong, with China GDP growth and demand for Australian mining output set to continue for a number of years.
Property yields are low, but they will improve whilst capital gains remain modest and rental demand strengthens along with population and wages growth. Then capital gains will overtake yields in new property cycle. [cigar]
Tasman
Hi all,
The auto linking of defined words for site advertising within subscribers/contributors posts is unauthorised by contributors, and could be confused with subscriber links, and also construed as the subscribers advertising or advertising specifically endorsed by subscriber.Originally posted by brahms:Hi Ket
your post..Currently the IP in WA is negatively geared but would be interested in converting, if possible, to neutral or positive!
me too..please continue
cheers
brahms
If you don’t ask, the answer is no!!
brahms
Your favorite saying should more correctly read, “if you ask the answer is no!”
Tasman
PS Obviously in a land and house package, depreciation expense is not applicable until the house is complete, other expenses such as interest, and council rates are applicable.
Tasman
Opps I will get it right this time. Normally you can only claim expenses from the date a property is available for rental, and arguably this occurs on settlement date. Land and house package is a special case, but I am not so sure about renovations, repairs etc.
Tasman
Misty1
Clarification needed. When you obtain a property,if your intent is to rent that property, then you can claim costs from the date of settlement even if it is not ready for rental, eg; with house and land package you can claim expenses from land settlement date while the house is being built. You must follow through with renting when the house is complete/renovated or whatever for pre-rental expense claims to be valid.cheers
Tasman
Misty1
I believe the settlement date is when depreciation can commence for the new owner. The exchange of contracts/sale date represents the start of a handover of property process, and it is settlement date when the process is complete. The new owner is then in possession and able to rent the property.cheers
Tasman
Misty
The withholding tax variation form can be accessed online by the following link:
“www.ato.gov.au/individuals/keywordlist.asp?k=Variation”.The ATO provide an online form that you can fill in, save and edit at your leisure and submit when ready online to the tax office. The ATO then process the form and notify you employer pay staff in about 2 weeks from submitting your online application. This is a much better option than filling out the form and mailing. Turn around time on this could be up to 4 weeks with ATO.
The turn around time between notifying the ATO and effective date on your pay, will increase if ATO notification misses the next pay days cutoff for variations to your employer.
As your financial situation changes, or you re-calculate your previous submission, new variations can be sumitted to the tax office. Another reason to submit online applications that can be actioned promptly.
The variation form is similar to TaxPack or
E-TAX forms so you need estimate your annual income and estimate all your significant deductable expenses.You can under estimate your expenses if you wish to be conservative, but I like my claim to be accurate, as why should I over-pay tax contributions? This strategy maximises funds available for expenses or interest on my funds.
On the other hand if you over estimate your expenses and underpay your withholding tax, then the ATO does allow a small margin without penalty. As after all, this variation is an estimate only, of all your income and deductable expenses.
Tasman
Rob,
If the ATO deem that you renting on a non-commercial basis (renting to relatives at a low rental would be a prime example) then yes you can only claim expenses up to rental income. Makes sense really, you can hardly expect to give free rental accommodation, and then expect to claim an IP business rental loss, as you are not operating on a business basis.However if you were renting on a commercial basis (through a real estate property manager would help establish that it was a commercial venture) and the vacancy rate was very high due to market conditions, the resulting high losses would be claimable.
Tasman
Originally posted by The Mortgage Adviser:I would be talking to my accountant to see how much you are owed for the time since you have not lived in your wife’s property. It doesn’t matter how much rent you get or don’t get in an investment property as long as you can show, if audited, that you tried to rent it out. You would at least be able to deduct all the interest you have paid and any maintenance, rates, etc you have paid since you moved out. You will be getting a fat tax return!!! [cigar]
I would probably sack my current accountant for not telling me!!!
Rob
The Mortgage Adviser
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Hi Rob,
I think your above recommendation about being able to claim all IP expenses on a property rented at a nominal rent is incorrect. Refer to the ATO Rental Properties publication document (NAT 1729-6.2002 or later version) on Non-commercial rental. If you rent a property at less than commercial rent then you can only claim expenses up to the rental income received.Tasman