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    Yeah cheers guys interesting posts. My mortgage is 282 k. There isn't a real lot of competition in the market. It will be interesting to see what Swanny comes up with lol. Not saying it will be anything great but intrigued to see. If our loans were more readily portable from one provider to another, I reckon that alone would help competition. Or let some more foreign banks in who do not depend soley on local market conditions to make a profit. Imagine foreign banks entering the market all competing to offer the lowest rates and fees? Might screw a few shareholders over but.  

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    Marty I actually tried ING and i don't have enough equity in the unit yet unfortunately. But I will look into those others. I'm based in Canberra.

    GOM I'm paying 7.31 per cent which is actually less than the official CBA rate. But my concern is that within 12 months, CBA have risen their rates over and above the RBA rate. CBA seem to be the most aggressive with rate increases. I feel there's some principle in leaving this bank. I know other banks lift their rates over and above but not to their extent.

    An online broker struck up a deal with NAB at 6.97 per cent and said that he had contacted them with my situation (yes  a little complicated) and he said he might even be able to get it a bit lower.  I kind of like this offer but wonder its kind of like going from one big bank to another? Is that necessarily a bad thing? He mentioned their loan structure is more flexible as well and I would also be able to migrate all my savings accounts and credit card and completely close up shop with CBA.

    Decisions, decisions.

    Thanks for your help guys. :) 

     

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    My biggest mistake was a I bought a property.

    My other big mistake was I got a uni degree.

    My other big mistake is I got a job.  

    Nothing has paid off and I now look back to the days when I was unemployed and living with the folks, apparently I was going nowhere but at least I was happy. 

     

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    At least in America I think the complete opposit is what is most often going on, namely the recovery of the market is contrived when in reality it isn't.  So people spend more, spend more of what? Their savings or credit? Comes to a point eventually when these people can no longer service their debts and the poo poo hits the fans.

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    Well in that case, it makes your comments that much more palatable as you are practising what you preach so to speak.  I appologise as well for getting a little too excited with my views. :-)

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    Well in that case, it makes your comments that much more palatable as you are practising what you preach so to speak.  I appologise as well for getting a little too excited with my views. :-)

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    Choices? Come on, its not all about one’s choices but one’s opportunities and environment in which choices can be made.

     

    Have a look at the following article regarding energy costs, noting the word ‘forced’ in the first paragraph. There is very limited choice in the energy market.

     

    http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/money/money-matters/big-end-of-town-dodges-power-struggle-over-electricity-prices/story-fn300aev-1225852928389

     

    I chose to move from Sydney to Canberra two years ago to work in the PS. I bought a very modest, older style unit and to be honest, the interest rate increases are hurting. I did have some money owing on my car that I incorporated into my mortgage at a lower interest rate, but still, the entire mortgage after FHOG, fees etc is a pretty modest 282k. I was approved on 51k salary and currently on a 61k salary. I previously rented and that too was not easy because I was paying off a car at the time as well.

     

    Fortunately I have folks that don’t mind helping me, not with the mortgage, but with other bills and such – they have done pretty well for themselves so they do not mind at all. I don’t like it, but I just cannot afford to pay everything (eg body corp fees alone are over 600 per quarter). I don’t have the energy to take on a second job. I seldom buy new clothes and never go on holidays or other activities, and you won’t find me splurging down at Harvey Norman on the weekend or going on other shopping sprees, but I do eat well, eat out once a week and go to the gym – lifestyle choice that admittedly does come at a slight increased cost than feeding on diet of sh*t-for-food and becoming a fat, hideously overweight marshmallow as many of my colleagues are.

     

    Sonyasai you imply that everyone who is crying foul about interest rate increases have splurged on 700k loans and that is certainly not true for everyone.

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    Choices? Come on, its not all about one’s choices but one’s opportunities and environment in which choices can be made.

     

    Have a look at the following article regarding energy costs, noting the word ‘forced’ in the first paragraph. There is very limited choice in the energy market.

     

    http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/money/money-matters/big-end-of-town-dodges-power-struggle-over-electricity-prices/story-fn300aev-1225852928389

     

    I chose to move from Sydney to Canberra two years ago to work in the PS. I bought a very modest, older style unit and to be honest, the interest rate increases are hurting. I did have some money owing on my car that I incorporated into my mortgage at a lower interest rate, but still, the entire mortgage after FHOG, fees etc is a pretty modest 282k. I was approved on 51k salary and currently on a 61k salary. I previously rented and that too was not easy because I was paying off a car at the time as well.

     

    Fortunately I have folks that don’t mind helping me, not with the mortgage, but with other bills and such – they have done pretty well for themselves so they do not mind at all. I don’t like it, but I just cannot afford to pay everything (eg body corp fees alone are over 600 per quarter). I don’t have the energy to take on a second job. I seldom buy new clothes and never go on holidays or other activities, and you won’t find me splurging down at Harvey Norman on the weekend or going on other shopping sprees, but I do eat well, eat out once a week and go to the gym – lifestyle choice that admittedly does come at a slight increased cost than feeding on diet of sh*t-for-food and becoming a fat, hideously overweight marshmallow as many of my colleagues are.

     

    Sonyasai you imply that everyone who is crying foul about interest rate increases have splurged on 700k loans and that is certainly not true for everyone.

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    I sincerely hope all property investors out there pass the costs on to renters. If interest rate rises are meant to curb spending, then placing that burden upon mortgage holders alone is bloody incompetent imo. How about raising the GST? Would be political suicide for sure, but would probably be much more effective spending deterrent.

    I know at least NSW is faced with ever increasing energy costs and this combined with increased interest rates is got to have some kind of major impact.

    For the life of me, I cannot see how so many people can go down the local shopping market every weekend to places such as Harvey Norman and the like, and spend like there is no tomorrow (probably a lot of it is personal debt accumulation granted). If people weren't spending there would be much less economic activity and less pressure on interest rates. 

    Have a look at the following article that appeared in The Daily Telegraph. I would like to know peoples' opinions on this….

    http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/sunday-telegraph/interest-rates-headed-for-10/story-e6frewt0-1225852217807

    There has to be a bubble burst again somewhere down the track. Wasn't it the RBA that failed to forecast the effects of the GFC and keep rising interest rates, to only respond with almost childish panic to bring them back down again to record lows? Probably too low in the first place. All seems to be over-reacting by both the RBA and Government to the economic vicissitudes the way I see it.

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    I sincerely hope all property investors out there pass the costs on to renters. If interest rate rises are meant to curb spending, then placing that burden upon mortgage holders alone is bloody incompetent imo. How about raising the GST? Would be political suicide for sure, but would probably be much more effective spending deterrent.

    I know at least NSW is faced with ever increasing energy costs and this combined with increased interest rates is got to have some kind of major impact.

    For the life of me, I cannot see how so many people can go down the local shopping market every weekend to places such as Harvey Norman and the like, and spend like there is no tomorrow (probably a lot of it is personal debt accumulation granted). If people weren't spending there would be much less economic activity and less pressure on interest rates. 

    Have a look at the following article that appeared in The Daily Telegraph. I would like to know peoples' opinions on this….

    http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/sunday-telegraph/interest-rates-headed-for-10/story-e6frewt0-1225852217807

    There has to be a bubble burst again somewhere down the track. Wasn't it the RBA that failed to forecast the effects of the GFC and keep rising interest rates, to only respond with almost childish panic to bring them back down again to record lows? Probably too low in the first place. All seems to be over-reacting by both the RBA and Government to the economic vicissitudes the way I see it.

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    Ryan

    Are you using the wrap technique? That's pretty amazing how you do it on low income and no down payment, I can't think of how else it is possible.

    Cheers

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    That's an interesting anecdote there from sonyasal. One thing I've noticed here is the number of young people starting early and making a success of it – I wish I had half your wisdom at your age. I'm 39 and just bought my first and only property and its my PPOR. In retrospect I  went down a path that was clearly marked 'wrong way go back'. That path was what was preached to me – get an education and get a job, don't invest or take risks.  Ironically the safe route was the biggest gamble and risk I took,  one that has unfortunately led to years of mediocrity.  

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    The Daily Telegraph is reporting people in Sydney who have bought and sold properties over the five years. Seems like a case of inflating property values and people getting sucked in to buying at those inflated prices . Anyone shed any light on this?

    http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/our-real-estate-losers/story-e6freuy9-1225835098402

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    I feel some ambivalence toward the issue of money – interesting topic though. On the one hand, people shouldn't use their love for money (as per your bibilical quote) to disadvantage someone else. This kind of activity can take on a number of forms from selling via manipulating people, especially vulnerable people, into purchasing meaningless or expensive products, or outright ripping someone off by way of exploiting someone's ignorance.

    On the other hand I think it's important to have enough money so as not to burden society or other people unnecessarily. It is little benefit to anyone if you give all your money away to someone, charity included, if you are left with not enough to live and then have to depend on someone else.  

    One thing I have commonly noticed is that those who preach 'money doesn't matter' soon change their tune when they don't have enough of it themselves. Money certainly does matter when you suddenly lack it.

    I use to attend churches that were big on money collection and the hypocrisy was so annoying that I couldn't bring myself to continue attending. Often it was preached to trust God with your finances all the while holding out their hand for you to part with your hard earned, even if it left you without, freely taking from pensioners and the unemployed and so on. Why can't these churches equally trust God to provide for them rather than resort to outright manipulative, and often guilt-laden tactics?     

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    I don't get the contradiction – on the one hand we got the RBA and economists saying rates will increase significantly this year and on the other, the fed govt's continued stimulus spending in light of an apparent slow recovery! I wonder if the rate increase rhetoric is there to produce a little fear and cur spending so rates do not have to increase, or increase as much as the alarmists are predicting. Really annoying, if linflation is blowing out and unemploymet has peaked, then why can't our govt read the bloody signs and pull back on the stimulus splurging? Remember when rates were going up like crazy in 2008 to put downward pressure on inflation an then suddenly the GFC hit and just as suddenly was the reaction to lower them, clearly showing that noone has a clue as to how to forecast economic change. In retrospect, it was almost embarrassing for the govt / RBA and the like.   

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    Well the RBA held off on another interest rate rise – even though economists everywhere were predicting they would increase it by 25 basis points. 

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    Stamp duty? Are first home buyers subject to stamp duty in Victoria? 

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    Cheers V8ghia, appreciate your input.

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    Cheers guys, interesting tips there.

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    Did anyone see the news on Fox tonight re median house prices in Sydney? Apparently will boom in 2010.

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