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    Interesting the forum “gurus” are silent ;-)

    Be interesting to know from the majority of positive geared investors at what level does the investent turn negative (average interest rate).

    A lot are holding for the “long term” but if the investment turns negative and broken the fundamental rule (positive geared), do you sell even if the market is depressed?

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    I trade derivatives for a living so you need to be a 9-10 in risk tolerance. emotional ppl get wiped out very easily.

    The property people that can genuinely claim to be very emotionally controlled and risk tolerant are the ones that got through lived and survived the late 80’s – early 90’s boom bust and are still in the game playing hard (though i think a lot would be sitting on cash right now).

    For the property gurus of the last 3 yrs the test for your resolve i think is still to come. The only true way, is to test yr reactions when it really hits the fan.

    Anyone can have large exposures and leveraging to shares, property or derivatives but it is other factors that call the shots with risk tolerance credibility in my opinion..

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    Originally posted by Hux001:

    My brother just put his single fronted Victorian House to auction yesterday in Melbourne’s West.

    Lots of people 30-40 showed up – but not one bid !!

    Expected $320K + Vendor bid at 280K and that was it folks…

    The market is a changin ;-)

    A lot fo vendor bids dont even highlight the highest “real” at auctions.

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    Originally posted by Pisces:

    Mary Donaldson has shown the way. She got herself a very attractive guy and a Prince Charming to boot.

    There is no longer a need for YOU to settle for a big eared accountant, a toothy surveyor or bad breathed property investor.

    Raise your sights. The sky is the limit. The world is full of Princes, roaming the world to find a nice girl just like you.

    Pisces

    She seems nice but in the back of my mind is “how much is this going to really cost him?” ;-)

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    1/ Everything cycles, its when you get on the bike that counts.

    2/ Even stupid people have made money in the last cycle, what they do next will be interesting.

    3/ Expose your brain to many learning areas and develop your own style that suits you lifestyle.

    4/ You may have to get new friends.

    5/ Sometimes property isnt the be all and end all, see point 1/.

    6/ Bad quality and presented IP’s generally = getting bad quality tenants.

    7/ Your long term accountant may still be a bad accountant, get a new one.

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    Originally posted by Lucifer_au:

    Don’t double post.

    Thx.

    Rgds.
    Lucifer_au

    ??

    Every post ive read this arvo has had one form or another some self appointed forum cop.

    Anyway back to original post. Superfund can invest in property as long as it doesnt borrow.

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    Was up there 2 weeks ago for a holiday. Teh advertised rents appeared very good if you are investing, wheather they are getting them could be another story.

    The overall population decline could be something to worry about if your a longer term CG type of player.

    Nice place for a holiday but wouldnt live there, unless was on the big $$ cushey goverment job.

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    Will wait till after fed election when rates go up and prices continue there slow decline at a bit faster rate ;-)

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    Originally posted by Lucifer_au:

    SuperTed I use corporations and trusts to reduce my taxes, therefor I want things like faster depriciation write offs, changes in CGT or higher amounts in the $0-$6K tax brackets (so it would be great if it went to $0-$12K), as well as the 17% tax bracket.

    Rgds.
    Lucifer_au

    What would be the total amount for you if the move was from 0-12k??

    Generalised comments not directed at you Lucifer

    Overall the budget “hits” more people then “misses” them in my opinion. Most people have come out with the “there is nothing in there for me” line, even Latham (which is bordering on hysterical). But like all goverments they will find a way to give with one hand taketh away with the other.

    Vote Latham in you will definately get changes in CGT, but not the one you had in mind (Access economics report ring a bell). Additonally if the budget is such a bad thing why has labor said it will not block it passing throught the senate?

    But in this case I am not totally anti-labor just anti-stupid. To me voting for Latham is like the Americans vote for Bush (you just need someone that has a few more lights on upstairs, if they want to be leader of the my/our country).

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    Originally posted by Derek:

    Originally posted by kcc:

    I have just bought a property in the small West coast town of Queenstown.
    Let me know your thoughts?[baaa]

    Hi kcc,

    Without seeming to be harsh it would appear as if you are having doubts about your purchase. The doubts needed to be resolved before you made the purchase and not after – this is an essential part of a comprehensive reaserch process used by investors.

    Derek
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    Property Investment Support Available. Ongoing and never stopping. PM welcome.

    Big Yawwwn

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    Originally posted by PurpleKiss:

    Shirley,

    Back to the tax breaks, you claim 30% of the amount paid, however I think it relates to the hospital cover and not the ancillaries. Also, you have a choice of claiming it as reduced payments during the year or on your tax return. Your insurer would be able to tell you whether you are already paying the reduced payments, they also send you a statement at the end of the finacial year that has all the information you need for your tax return.

    The second part is the increased medicare levy if you earn over a certian amount and don’t have private health cover. It’s a fairly high amount before you are charged and doesn’t affect the average income earner, but if you are on high salaries then give your insurer a call and check it out with them.

    Regards
    PK

    Once your income is above the $62k bracket it is beneficial to have private cover.

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    “The government is well aware but seemingly unwilling to act in a positive manner.

    What say you all ? Kay ?

    Pisces

    Well most of the problem I see is people always blaming someone else for there problems. What should the goverment do?? Prohibition?

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    Ohhh thats so sweet ;-)

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    Well have to agree with Neils article, at least its to the point. No smoke or mirrors in that comment.

    I have noticed however on these forums, any time someone makes a negative comment/viewpoint about property investing the herd are real quick to jump on the band wagon and try and put them down.

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    Originally posted by MiniMogul:

    I totally get this question and agree with the book’s advice. We rent an 800K house in Sydney for the poor landlord’s (had they bought the property today) 2 percent yield.

    Meanwhile I have properties which earn me 20 percent yields in good old NZ which more than cover my half of the rent.

    And here’s the amazing bit, my properties are worth only a tenth of the value of the place I am living in – the amount of a deposit on where i live now! And the rents from my investment properties completely support me living in a place in Paddington, Sydney which I could no way afford to buy.

    mind boggling huh. Cause i did the numbers, see!…..let’s say I bought this 800K place, I would have had to have 80 to put in as a deposit, had interest only of probably 1200 a week, plus maintenance and rates….which would have cost me approximately…hmmm….6-7 times what I am paying now!!!!!! Less the income from my rental properties, make that 8 times!

    in case you’re still not convinced-

    Like someone mentioned above, Mortgage interest on own home has no tax benefits. It’s paid out of tax-paid dollars, the worst sort! But interest on investment properties is tax deductible.

    the gov’t’s way of kicking back investors for helping them solve a problem which if not for investors would mean state housing would have to spend a whole lot more money.

    There’s more reasons for it too – i.e. I work from home full time, and so a portion of my rent and bills are also tax deductible. Even if you are an employee you can start a home-based business on the side I think (property investing!!) and take advantage of the tax laws.

    In fact… I can’t imagine one single financial reason to own one’s own home first. The only reason is an emotional one as far as I can see.

    All of this is just my opinion of course…I love a debate so bring it on. Anybody?

    “Coz your landlord might be wanting the same thing.”
    Not quite….me wanting to make money, as in, real cash not just ‘equity’.

    Landlord wanting to lose money, actual hard cash they pay into their property out of their pocket each week, in the hope of either ‘legally minimising tax’ OR capital gains.

    If all things were equal and you for example rented an identical house to the one you had as your investment property, you’d still save with tax write-offs.

    cheers-
    Mini

    Agree 100% with Mini.

    A different perspective I think all young people (when i started, last boom, crash ;-) buy an investment property as it funnels their money into something worth while instead of latest fashion, clothes and axcessive amount of p#ss. Staying at home with 2 investment properties was the best thing i did when i started out (thanks mum).

    I think like mini now but it is easier when you have set yourslef up a fair bit.

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    Time saving and they have the latest “shafting” techniques down pat.

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    The E-Myth Micheal E Gerber

    Rich Dad Poor Dad

    These books purely for the change in thought that is required to move forward. If you cant change the way u think then it doesnt matter how many books you “read”.

    Then followed by Wealth Magic, or any so called prop gurus books if your FOCUS is on property.

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    Originally posted by Lucifer_au:

    Review:
    All in all a boring, vote buying budget. Good for high earning employes with (or having) kids (soon). Nothing for business (or professional investors). Will be having more promises during the next election (looking at Oct/Nov), so hopefully something for us.

    Rgds.
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    I am confused with yr comments.

    What would make you happy or fit your particular criteria?

    Seems a well rounded budget that has many benefits to the lower income (and higher income) child raising families. Benefits to the higher income earner by shifting the bracket to $70k. I wouldve thought as a “professional” investor would this would at least make you happy. This is a far more ‘lefty’ budget then normal from the liberals.

    Nothing for business? Well most changes the libs have tried to benefit business get held up in the senate ;-(

    The problem with super is still present but then labour has no answer either to this. But definately the family packages look good.

    Vote grabbing yes i agree but show me a budget that isnt…ha least Costello admitted it.

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    So many self proclaimed property gurus have come out of the last 3yr period and cannot face the thought of a “crash” or major adjustment. Even if the property stays positive geared the thought that the underlaying value decreasing up to 20% seems unrealistic to a lot of people.

    The adjustment is taking place now with prices off around 10-15 %…how much more is to come.

    The next news will be what the US fed does (rumour is June/July interest rate rise over there). That will be reason interest rates rise here as we follow them. This will then really “adjust” the market some more.

    A crash is always based on panic. So the property market may experience a SLOW crash as it comes off way slower then compared to the share market.

    Lets see how many panic next rate rise ;-)

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