I would buy $550K of NAB shares. Highest yeilding bank share atm (and fully franked).
The other $50k leave as cash and go on a back packing holiday for 12+ months using this cash.
When you get back cash the shares in (paying the cg tax) and add it to your 2 dividend payouts collected.
Probably find after 12 months that you had a free holiday (adventure), are more well rounded and the property market is in a better situation for you to enter.[biggrin]
They park thier money where they think they will achieve maximum return. This happens in most things that cycle, property, shares, cash rates.
I have seen a few cycles in my time and generally i find it true that when applied “the rich end of town is the first to leave”, that the cycle in that speculative area is ending.
But where are they going or have already gone should be the new question.
I am not buying now. The over inflated prices are still out there. The fair value priced properties are the ones selling albeit slowly and at around 10% discount to the high prices of 6 months ago (the peak).
If a deal is good now, i think it will only get better in the next 9-12 months (you will be paying off a lower principal). People that dont think properties will get cheaper i think have a vested interest in making false claims (normally real estate agents … Why do i think the properties will get cheaper again (though they are alrady falling to achieve a sale) and the reason is the US economy has been in limbo for the last 12 months showing good growth but without strong employment. The new jobs sector over their is now getting very strong and cyclicling (data release last friday) to support the strong econmic data. What this then means is a very probable interest rate rise over there, which means we will follow..this will be regardless of a slowing building or personal debt rate here. The need for overseas money invested in this country (as it is needed in the US) will drive our interest rate higher, maybe not much but enough to “scare” the market. We have only had .5% in rises and look how the climate has changed. Another .5% rate hike and it will be time to buy.
This combined with a declining building market, the already high personal debt level will force house prices down.
Liberals can sell Telstra and end up with a surplus and Labor can sell CBA and end up with a deficit mmmm not a hard choice as who is a better economic manager.
But really the surplus has more to it then just a sale of 50% of Telstra.
NSW Labour with their budget surplus (GST hand me downs and Stamp duty cant even manage the public schools and hospitals under there STATE control not federal…ohhh then there is public transport system in NSW.
Most labour policy is formulated by chardonnay sipping socialists. Just look at Hawke and Keating and their business dealings (and these guys represent the “battler”)
I came from a Labour family, but once i started my own business under Keating’s reign of terror…..never, ever will i vote for these blatant hypocrytes again!!
The comments on negative gearing is that in relation to Lathams report from Access Economics (Michael Carmody) and the abolishen of the 50% discount to capital gains?
Bring the interest rate rises on. See families in misery. Take advantage of these people and move in for the kill. So you can profit at there expenses.
Why? because they made a mistake of perhaps
borrowing too much
not understanding the full impact of interest rate rises
loss of jobs
or any number of reasons.
Why not try and find solutions for these people and let keep there home from and out of the clutches of greedy phiranas.
People that like to take advantage of people in misery really grind my gears.
regards
alf
Welcome to the real world. A lot of people have jumped into an overheated market because of greed. But its always someone leses fault hey??
This same greed, combined with a lack of diligence for their financal positions will definately cause them pain. If these people thought 6% was here for ever and didnt atleast factor in a pottential 8-10% in the early years of their new mortgages then they shouldnt have even borrowed the money in such a hot market.
There was also a big example to look back on in the early nineties of a similar situation that is unfolding slowly now albeit with lower interest rates but way larger income to loan ratios.
To think the people that are sitting back ready and waiting are vultures because they will ultimately benefit from the market slowdown is so nieve.
The same with any MARKET it is controlled by emotions off “fear and greed”. The people that apply a logic will always benefit over a person that has used emotion to make a decision. Is it really the person fault that waits for being a tad wiser and opportunistic?
Your argument could be applied to the person that sold the defaulting mortagee the house at an inflated price in the first place, hey or even the banks for lending them the money, or the mortgage insurer that doesnt come to the party.
Wrong time to buy definately. Wait for the “pain” to increase yr gain. I love mortagee in possesion auctions.
Bring on the rate rises. The market where i live is slowing dramatically with the same houses (central coast area) sitting in the R/E windows for a long time.
The prices on the houses were acheivable 6 months ago near the top but now they are dreaming and the ones selling appear to be some 10% off the over inflated period last year.
This is in the price range of $400 – $650K. The funny thing agents are still “talkin the market up”.
The problems with most teachers is they go to school, then to uni, then back to school never actually seeing how “easy” it is in the normal workforce.
Early on the indoctrination by the socialist teachers federation begins and thus they feel hard done by through out their working careers.
Also Jason you forgot to mention the generous super entitlements that teachers recieve.
Change the teachers pay to a performance based system, this will weed out the crap teachers. But the teachers federation would never agree to this model as it will show how many teachers are not very good and the other dilemna is the good ones will get poached by the private system.
To conclude if the teachers in public school system are doing such a grand job why are students leaving for the private schools in droves?
I know three teachers and they have times they are very busy (marking midyr and end yr exams, but mostly they are overpaid,lazy and whingey.
Essentially if you are creating a business (even a business in investing) the best book bar none that i have found is “The E-Myth revisited” by Micheal E Gerber.
Oh and it is an easy read not like the “habits” books which are a chore for me.
I like the way you think. What’s the IT industry like in Melbourne re:Support. I’m moving down from the ACT and hoping to get into IP’s. When you say you’re a trader, is that in IP’s. What is your trade? I’m hoping to offer my labor cheap, as in free to work with some tradesman to get an idea about house Reno’s. What do you think?
Johnb
I trade mainly Options and some shares not IP’s. I dont live in Melbourne but imagine IT in Melbourne would probably be worse then Sydney.
As a former tradesman i always employed tried to employ workers/apprentices that were reliable and keen. Dont work for free, offer to work the first week for free so they can see what you are like (hit em up for lunch though then they may put you on fulltime.
I was self employed tradesman for 12yrs then changed careers to IT working for large university as a network administrator.
A lot of safe “IT” jobs are with goverment departments and to me that is where most ppls problem lie. Most of thier peers in these jobs will bring you down to there level of thinking, which in goverment departments can be very low, hey “but the super is good” type mentallity. (ppl in gov dep’s will know what i mean).
With basically an IT collapse and “outside” jobs scarse I retrained myself in trading derivatives and shares. They didnt know they were actually paying me to trade . After about 6 months trading and making more then the whole yrs IT wage I knew then that it was time to move on and leave the politics and negativity of this sorry place behind.
I now love what I do but its not easy and i think most people will fail as traders. The best thing that came out of IT for me was being non- emotional and thinking logically about problems, which are both essential for trading and business in general.
It’s great how you can become such an “expert” in Steve & Dave’s business, simply from reading their book!
You obviously have it all worked out.
The only thing, you are quite incorrect.[]
Del
I think Argyle is stating what a lot of people are thinking when they read these forums and he has expressed an opinion that has benefitted the readers.
I really think Del you should read what is said before you actually post a reply as you seem overly defensive of of anything you perseive as negative against Steve. All the posts ive seen you jump the gun on have actually lead to very constructive postings in this PUBLIC forum.
If you make the effort to travel up here stop at a local newsagent. They will have copies of the local paper (“the express’) this will give a good indication of the rents acheived. At the moment even my street which used to never have vacant properties for rent now has around 5 empties waiting for lease. It is definately a renters market up here.
Kariong has an advantage of being a newer suburb (many post 1985) so depreciation may help better then wyoming and narara. Springfeild has a new pocket but is “expensive” compared to the older part (also lots of HC).
My reference to the housing commision properties was that these would be the cheapest properties (low quality) to buy if they were for sale as they would be for sale under 250K when compared to whats available above this figure.
Well I would do the asx courses they are cheap or free. Also get yourself a broker, broking firms often do free courses as well (to get you to trade more . There are good writers of books out there who actually trade as well.
Beware of the big dollar seminars and black box systems. And remember just about everyone has no idea how the market behaves.
email me at [email protected] if you have other questions as we are of topic already.