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Looks to me like Carly has her Scientology team on the thread now. I note first posts for both Johnathan_Frickens and Luka B.
What you have both failed to consider is that there is some very damning evidence emerging about Carly Crutchfield and Steve Fagan. It has been posted on this website: http://www.carlycrutchfieldexposed.com for all to see. By all means make your own judgements after considering all of the information, but don't be foolish enough to just blindly follow what Carly is now claiming.
You see the facts are that Carly has illegally breached a legally binding contract. She has claimed that the deal was set up under a property option agreement and that as such she had no legal obligation to settle. Had this been true, I would have to agree with her, however what she has omitted to tell everyone, is that the deal was not set up under an ordinary Option at all. It was set up under Put and Call Option and there is a big difference. Under a Put and Call Option, she is required to settle but instead she liquidated the $2 shelf company that she signed the contract under, resigned as a director and regeged on all her promises to the seller. This is outright dishonesty and she deserves to be exposed for it. Steve Fagan is no better and let me tell you there are a lot more skeletons in Steve's closet to be exposed yet as well.
This is a typical example of Carly and Steve only telling part of the truth. The naive, like our two new posters on this forum, have once again fallen victim to Carly's lies and decept. They continue to worship and back their guru in blind trust.
This has nothing to do with personal responsibility, or failing to implement the strategies that students have been taught. It has to do with the honest and integrity of Carly Crutchfield and Steve Fagan. It also has to do with the fact that Carly and Steve's whole profiles have been build on outragious lies and mindblowing deception. Now the chickens have come home to roost and I predict that it won't be too long before the administrators close them down for good. Perhaps this will be a lesson to others just like them.
So before you come back on here making the rediculious claims, and blaming the students for not following the strategies, how about checking out the facts about your gurus first, Johnathan_Frickens and Luka B?
@ dean_robbie. I know this is probably not a fair question to ask you now that you are attempting to offload Carly's material, but perhaps you could give us your honest opinion. Do you really think that the the material supplied was worth the money? Have you applied her strategies and made a fortune as she claims you will? I haven't been able to find anyone who claims they have been able to even recover their costs of the programs yet. There must be someone out there surely!!!!!????
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This thread is a little old now but let me bring members up to speed with Trent Richards (previously CEO of he Insight Group). As some will know Trent liquidated the Insight Group of Companies in early 2008. Later in 2008, Trent still had some money tucked away from the Insight Group, as he purchased a helicopter from the USA. See this You Tube clip he has posted
[ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHaoG8mCAJ4&feature=fvsr ]He disappeared for a while but then popped up again in Darwin hiding in the background of a new company called "The Illumination Group" After that was exposed he set up another company (with a puppet director of course) and called it "Property Finance Investment'
[ http://www.pfinvestment.com.au/ ]I have also seen conclusive evidence that Trent and his father [Tony Richards] are heavily involved in this company now as well.
[ http://www.myusaproperty.com.au ]A few days ago Trent posted this testimonial about himself which is so full of half truths it's not funny:
[ http://trentrichards.wordpress.com/2011/01/28/hello-world/#comments ]You will notice how he makes a lot of his experience and successes with the Insight Group but fails to mention that it went broke owing a lot of people,( including staff) large sums of money. <moderator: delete personal comment>
You really need to do some serious digging before getting involved with some of these companies as the real directors and decision makers can be lurking in the murky depths within, and not easily distingushable at first glance.
This thread is a little old now but let me bring members up to speed with Trent Richards (previously CEO of he Insight Group). As some will know Trent liquidated the Insight Group of Companies in early 2008. Later in 2008, Trent still had some money tucked away from the Insight Group, as he purchased a helicopter from the USA. See this You Tube clip he has posted
[ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHaoG8mCAJ4&feature=fvsr ]He disappeared for a while but then popped up again in Darwin <edited> in the background of a new company called "The Illumination Group" After that <edited> he set up another company <edited> and called it "Property Finance Investment'
[ http://www.pfinvestment.com.au/ ]I have also seen conclusive evidence that Trent and his father [Tony Richards] are heavily involved in this company now as well.
[ http://www.myusaproperty.com.au ]A few days ago Trent posted this testimonial about himself which, in my opinion, <edited>:
[ http://trentrichards.wordpress.com/2011/01/28/hello-world/#comments ]You will notice how he makes a lot of his experience and successes with the Insight Group but fails to mention that it went broke owing a lot of people,( including staff) large sums of money. <edited>
You really need to do some serious digging before getting involved with some of these companies as the real directors and decision makers can be lurking in the murky depths within, and not easily distingushable at first glance.
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A Perry; I do agree with most of the points you have made. You are right when you say that the financial services industry is full of deception as well. You're also right when you say that " there are very few gurus who teach information that is not of some value". My only concern is; That is precisely how and why it has become so easy for spruikers to deceive the masses. If they get just the right mix of truth and fiction it can be very hard to distinguish between the two.
It's the hidden agendas that are hard to detect and many of these spruikers have convinced themselves that they are doing nothing wrong by having these agendas. Business is business right? Mostly they are in it for the money, not the love of helping people as they claim! I think that much of the information classified by these spruikers as 'secrets of the rich' are not secrets at all. Unfortunately the spruikers have led the masses into believing that they are the only ones who hold the key to discovery, and the key will be handed to you when you attend our bootcamp or weekend seminar. Now that's a joke. In fact you will see a lot of pshchological techniques in play at these seminars, including techniques like NLP. In my view it's positively dangerious for the newbys (and in some cases even the more experienced.)
I do believe that it's time that things like this were more openly discussed on these forums and it seems to be happening a lot more now. Anyway, best of luck with your investing, and of course my advice is to avoid the spruikers altogether!! There are too many mines you can step on!
Watch this space oneworld. I believe that is exactly what will happen over the coming months, although it is probably more likely to be investigated by ASIC than the Police. In any event I don't think we have seen the last of the dramas surrounding CCorp yet. Carly Crutchfield (in my view) has acted very deceptively and arrogantly. She could have easily put these matters to rest long ago if she had simply done the right thing by her clients. If you keep walking over people, eventually you are going to stand on someone who has the courage to bite back. I'm sure this is what is playing out here!
When you start to really apply some scrutiny to Carly Crutchfield (and her mentor), Steve Fagan, you discover that very little of what they claim, in terms of their past achievements stands up. They have simply created a profile of themselves as property development gurus to fool the masses into believing that they are dealing with the experts. These people are amateurs and this is why so many of the deals they have tried to put together have fallen into trouble. Be careful of the testimonials that they supply as well. They are often faked, or the person giving the testimonial does so at the point when they believe they have just discovered the next best thing. Many change their opinions later down the track yet they remain posted on the website as happy customers.
Carly's latest tactic for gaining notierity has been to thrust herself into the media spotlight and pretending to be the philantropist. Her recent appearance on Secret Millionaire was nothing more than a publicity stunt. Once again it fools the masses into believing that she must be a person of high morals and ethics. Nothing could be further from the truth but when you understand that Carly employes a publicist, it makes sense that this is the sort of thing you are going to see. It is the job of the publicict to portray carly in the best light to make sales. A publicist is nothing more than a spin doctor who's job it is to make their boss look good. .
Anyway………… Happy investing, just be very careful…………..Some of these spruikers are just so deceptive it defies belief. It can often be very hard to detect without some serious digging into the facts.
Sorry I seem to have lost half of my last post somehow. Here is the rest:
"CCorp has completed $XXX in developments" There is a big difference between these two statements yet this appears to be typical of their level of deception. There are many other examples of this.
Anyway, my advice is to do your own research and be careful about some of the testimonials given to these characters. Often the people giving those testimonials have their own agenda for doing so. Company staff are often encouraged to get on these forums and pretend to be happy customers of the subject company. More deception!
Happy investing but be very careful out there, especially if you are a newby at the game. That's when you are most vulnerable.
Yes my advice is to be very careful when dealing with Carly Crutchfield or any of her spruiker mates. Check out this site also:
[ http://www.carlycrutchfieldexposed.com ]I think people have a right to hear different sides to a story before they make judgements themselves. Only a fool forms their opinion, having only listened to one side of a story. Test out the claims made by both sides and it soon becomes obvious who is telling porkies. That is exacly what I did with CCorp once I became aware of the allegations being made against them.
If you are not sure what to believe do a little research of your own and you will soon figure out who is being deceptive. In the case of Carly Crutchfield and Steve Fagan, my enquiries confirmed that Carly had never done one development project prior to setting up CCorp, yet she claimed to have loads of developments under her belt by then. She had never even owned a property prior to setting up CCorp. Both her and Steve Fagan have built their profile on a web of lies and deception. The truth is that they are amateurs who have discovered it is very easy to fool the masses and create for themselves a ‘guru’ status, by making false claims about your past achievements.Since they have come under the spotlight, I have noticed that they have toned down the language they use on their website to describe their past achievements now. e.g. they have now changed the wording on their website to say things like ” CCorp have been involved in developments worth $xxx” rather than the previous wording which said things likeI suggest that you check out this site if you are considering doing anything with CCorp, Carly Crutchfield or any of her spruiker mates. http://www.carlycrutchfieldexposed.com
I did a little research myself on the claims that Carly has made about her experience. I even called CCorp myself, but I have to say I was less than impressed with what I was told. Despite considerable enquiries I have found no evidence to suggest that Carly had done even 'one' development before setting up CCorp and professing to be an expert. I also looked into her good friend Steve Fagan (who runs her Elite Development Program), and discovered that a lot of his experience in developing was completely fabricated.) The only thing that either of them may have done previously in terms of property was property marketing. Do your own research or simply ask her to prove her claims. Ask for the addresses of the properties that she claims CCorp are developing, and then check them out to see if it all stacks up. Apparently there are supposed to be an estimated $250 million (which they call quarter of a billion because it sounds better) worth of projects underway. <Moderator: delete language>
Caviet EmptorI'm not sure if this is the right place to post this but it frustrates me when I see all these people falling for the deceiving marketing hype of wealth gurus. I just visited the site above re Carly Crutchfield exposed and it really doesn't surprise me that this has happened.
Property wealth sprukers, whatever their specialty, all operate in a similar fashion:
1) Firstly in order to create a profile for themselves they often start with a 'rags to riches' story about themselves whether it is true or not. This aligns them with the majority of hopefuls that attend their courses. It instills the idea that 'if I was able to do it you can too'.
2) They often create fear in people that they are not going to have enough money in their retirement or similar suggestions.3) Then they offer the solutions. Come and learn the secrets. This is where many get caught; because they have never heard of the strategies before, they think they must be secrets. Many of the strategies are outdated and no longer work and many find that they are a lot harder to put into practice than they are led to believe at the seminars. Many of the spruikers are teaching strategies that they would never use themselves, and some spruikers are not even involved in implimenting the strategies they teach, despite what they may say to the contrary.
4) Much of the content in their talks (especially when it is about their own achievements) is highly exaggerated. They will make statements like "Come and see me after the seminar and we will show you all the evidence", knowing that no-one ever will. The masses take most of what is said at face value and the spruikers know this.
5) Many spruikers have also realised that if you create the profile of the philantropist, the masses will sing your praises. This has enormous benefits for their profile. True philantropists don't flaunt it. They give quietly and don't use the publicity of their works to benefit themselves.Remember that these people are highly skilled at moving a mass of people in the direction they want to. It becomes a crowd mentality at these seminars, and many find themselves joining the que to sign up for expensive courses once the hype has been created. Carly is a classic example of this. She has been making hundreds of thousands from the masses, some of who will still sing her praises, even after they have come to realise that thay have paid far to much for information that is next to useless.
Many become defensive when they see that their 'guru' is coming under attack because they are afraid that others will see it as a reflection of their own poor judgement.
I think it is time for a reality check. People need to be informed of the deceptive techniques they are being exposed to at many of these seminars as it is not obvious unless you have a good knowledge of how spruikers operate. NLP (neuro linguistic programming) is only one of the techniques that spruikers have studied and use. By all means attend their free seminars as there may be something you will pick up, but don't be conned into buying expensive courses under the belief that you will make 10 times the amount of the course fees in your first property deal. Very few have found this to be the case, and by saying this you are just parroting an old line of the spriukers themselves. It may sound feasible to you but it is just another hollow statement made by spruikers to convince you to buy their courses.
Sorry for the rave but I think it is time that many people woke up.
Hi Vixxx222, Yes there are a lot of opinions out there about CCorp. I am not a fan of Carly Crutchfield at all, nor am I a fan of many other wealth creation spruikers. The bottom line is that any information that is contained in these courses they promote are not secrets at all as they suggest. It can all be obtained for a fraction of the cost and often for free. The courses and material are often laced with promotional material and 'fluff' that consumers are paying far too much for!
I wouldn't be in any rush to pick up one of Carly's courses unless of course you can find one on ebay for a fraction of the price it was originally sold for. More often than not, these courses devalue hugely when they are onsold. If you really think about that, what does it tell you about the information contained in them? Remember that it is the spruikers that come up with the 'value' figures for these courses and I have to say that they are often hugely inflated.
My advice is to avoid the property gurus altogether and buy a few good books on the subjects that you are interested in. You will save yourself a lot of money.
Having studied how these people promote themselves, I find it frustrating to see thousands of unsuspecting consumers falling for the marketing and promotional hype created by property gurus, only to discover much later that the goal of achieving wealth through property was achieved alright, but not by them.
Hi all, I notice all the comments on here from the seminar and guru junkies, and this seems to be the problem with many of the property forums. Lots of uninformed and niave property investors defending their gurus and singing their praises when they have never stopped to scratch the surface of the illusion that has been created for them. This may be disturbing to some of you, but I know of some property gurus who privately refer to these people as the 'Wood Ducks'. The worst part is that many Wood Ducks see it as a personal attack when their guru is criticised. It hurts their sense of pride when it is suggsted that they have been conned. They believe that they are smarter than that so immediately become defensive. That has become very evident in this thread.
I have spent a lot of time investigating these property spruikers on behalf of the regulators so I have seen first hand what goes on behind closed doors. Many of these gurus are ethically and morally bankrupt and you can pick them because they do business based entirely on what they think is legal rather than what is moral or ethical. Of course none of this is immediately apparent. We all know that there is a big gap between Legal and Moral. Any honest lawyer will tell you that they exploit this gap on behalf of their clients daily. In some cases Gurus don't even care what is legal, but flex their wealth muscle on anyone who attempts to legally challange them. Let me tell you that if you ever get into a legal stoush with a Guru make sure your pockets are deeper than theirs. If not they will break you financially by delaying the case until you run out of money. This is common. Many Gurus teach unethical and misleading concepts and display them openly in their own business dealings. Yet their followers fail to question this. I know that many of you that have attended Carly's seminars will have witnessed this, felt uncomfortable with it, but still fail to question it. Do you remember how she taught you to set up $2 shelf companies that can be easily liquidated if someone sues you? That may be legal but is it moral or ethical?
I don't wish to single Carly Crutchfield out, as she is just one of many who have learnt that there is huge money to be made by creating a 'guru' profile and selling wealth education products to the unsuspecting. The seminars often consist of a 'smoke an mirrors' exercise which lack any real substance. Often the information is out of date and the strategies can no longer be actioned. While there may be some good ideas conveyed, none of these ideas are new (or are 'secrets') and can be learnt from reading a few good books for a fraction of the cost of attending these overpriced seminars.
These people have learnt how to manipulate the masses and many of you really need to wake up. Yes I know that now that I have said this, I'm bound to cop the abuse from all the cult followers but I say it again "Wake up, it is very subtle, but you are being conned!"
Many comments on this thread have sung Carly's praises and I notice that she even featured on a recent TV program giving away money to the disadvantaged and needy. Let me tell you that the truly generous millionaires never flaunt their philanthropy or wealth. So why do they do it? Simple, it gets all their followers singing their praises and believing that they are really there to 'give back to society'. It helps them to make more money from the naive! Believe me, Gurus spend a lot of time (and money) on their public profile simply because they profit handsomely from it. They even have their stooges monitoring the property forums and providing examples of their success and honesty. I wonder how many on this thread are truly her stooges?
So before you rush off attending all these seminars and forking out all of your hard earned cash, just stop and do some of your own "due diligence" If you are honest with yourselves you will find that you are all being taken for a ride! Have some of you ever stopped to consider why these courses only sell for a fraction of their original cost on ebay? Now there's something for you to consider!
I have no agenda other than to warn that some need to get their heads out of the sand.
