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    Here I am again.. and over a month down the track from my 1 st question that kicked off this thread. Just an update. I decided to jump in and buy another IP after all… but this ones off the plan, & nice. So it means in 2 yrs I will have to come up with some serious cashflow by then. (Borrowing total amt + costs. ). In meantime all I have to pay is annual bank guarantee costs.
    In the meantime, I am continuing to Salary Sacrifice. So I am really taking a bet each way. My plan is also to try to reduce some of my other debt before then.
    Just re-calculated my IP number 1’s cashflow… I am now $150 per mth positive! Whoo Hoo! [thumbsupanim](Not sure I’ll be in party mode when I start having to pay costs for IP number 3 though)[worried]

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    Happy New Year Folks![biggrin] Here we go again.
    While we are on this topic , thought that I could pick you’all brains re problem/question.
    I am both citizen of Aus & UK. Living in Aus for 30+ years continuously (apart from UK holiday breaks). My old father lives in UK. Has his own purchased home. However, its way too much for him now, and needs to downsize.
    Problem is, it looks like it will cost him money to downsize… as ground level, better socio economic area, quality dwellings in higher demand etc. (We need to come up with a soln, as he has been mugged twice in the last 12 mths where he lives. )

    He has NO savings left, and a better dwelling area is likely to cost him twice as much as he’d get for his old place. What I thought is that if I could buy flat for him… let him live in it, and he pay us a token rent, just to say we get an income for it. We would buy in our name… so that the house wouldnt be ceased by the system for his nursing home costs/accommodation down the track. Then the money that he has from the sale of his 1 st home would be some spending/living costs money for him(even though he’d then have to pay full council tax, no free bus pass, and no free prescriptions). It would give him a better life quality etc.

    SO my question is, does anyone know how the tax would work on that one…. both if we can claim losses while dads living in, and later on if we keep the place to rent to a tenant & it eventually goes positive cash flow. Can we do that if we arent currently UK resident? I have asked my accountant & tax office… they all say that they have no idea. Help please would be appreciated. (PS Dad wants to stay in UK rather than come to Aus to live with us. )[worried]

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    My prop man fees are 7%. These should never increase their %age, as the rents increase, so will their $s earned. Had one once that suggested they would like to raise their man fees by 1/2 a percentage point, as costs and CPI are affecting business. RIGHT!
    Pull the other one, it has bells on!
    Anyway, usually at the beginning of the property manging arrangement, I have a look through their contract offered, and just put a black pen line through anything I dont like, and then pen in next to it, what I’d like. actual examples are…. reletting fee+1 weeks rent. I crossed that out and wrote next to it 1/2 a weeks rent. Another section said = 8% man fee. I crossed that out and wrote 7%. I adjusted a few other things as well & sent it back to them. As long as its reasonable, I have never had that type of negotiation knocked back. If they dont like it I will find a managing agent who will. My $, my terms[party]

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    BreakEven… once you get the independent valuation… would you post it on this thread… now I am sure that we are all interested. I am in a (almost similar position to you). I have unit in Brisbane, 2 bed, within 3 kms of the CBD.
    4 yrs ago the banks valuation on it was $300k. We have used that valuation since, as the price would have dropped over the last few yrs, so we avoided having the bank revalue.
    However, we know that a unit same as ours recently sold for 360K, and a few real estate people say that it could be put on the market for anything between 315 K and another agent 395K. The bank advises us not to have it revalued at the moment , in case it comes in at less than the original 300K. I cant sort that one out either![eh]

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    Thanks Marc & Simon. Have taken all on board… thinking….[cap]

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    Hi Jaydee. Best advice I was ever given is “Dont Panic!” and never make any decisions, nor ‘go with your ideas’ while you are in fear, panic or confusion mode. You will more often that not make the wrong call, and kick yourself later. See accountant to make sure you’re getting max benefits .Ask bank to give you a cut on interest rate etc, unless yo’ure locked in.
    You didnt say how old you & hubby are, and where property fits into your wealth creation plan? You are a stay at home mum, so I assume that you have a longer time frame to make your plans work for you. Thats a good place to be.

    I’m also assuming that youve drawn up a household budget, and have the $s tied down tightly.ie, there are no “leaks” draining your cashflow.
    Just to give you another perspective…. I chose to go with new IP properties, in really good locations for growth/demand… so there s not too many of THEM that are cash +, especially when I had no deposit, and no $ for costs when I was buying my 1 st one!
    But I DID have equity in my own home.(I think {for me anyway{), equity is king… because I sure didnt have cashflow… being on $37,000 gross income a year!
    I was afraid of taking the leap, because of the heavy -ve cashflow, and I tell you that there were times when I felt like chucking it all in, & panic set in. But your next biggest asset s (after having done your cashflow analyses, buying the right property etc) is grit determination and lots of patience. Ask…How bad do I want this?
    Both my IPs are -vely geared, and thats ok, just a different pathway…….I know that many people prefer the buying a reno & adding value.. but Jaydee, I literally cant hammer in a nail, cant unblock a drain, and power tools scare the crap out of me.. so thats not for me. I buy nice shiny new, and have a prop manager look after the lot. I KNOW that my way is the s l o w e r way of getting there, but it fits me, and I dont have to be involved with them as much
    In 1999, I stared off with $120,000 in my own home equity, but no debt. I now have a debt of $405,000, but equity of $980,000 (ish), and the rents are rising fast. A few years ago, I lost a whack of equity in one IP, and admit I was tempted to sell & cut my losses…. but decided against it, and so glad that I hung in there, as now the equity has caught back up soon after the rental vacancy rate tightened, and the rents started to rise.

    Slow but sure and I am learning to be content to plod. I havent had a s many o/seas hols as I would like to, and have an old car, and cat-scratched furniture, but I reckon thats my trade off, and I am happy with that, as I know that if I can give it another 6 yrs, I feel will be in a better position again…. and I can make more choices.

    There are good people giving helpful advice on this site, and if you all reading are one of them…t hanks! I’m learning lots too.
    [This is NOT financial advice.. but just by way of encouragement.][smiling]

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    Hi Bez. You are asking reelly good, logical questions… I am sure you’ll do well.[exhappy]
    Mentor is good. Someone who has nothing to gain from your wallet though.

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    Hey this thread is full of bright sparks and comedians! (What was the question again?)
    Oh yes… a ‘friend’ of mine borrowed money from the bank …..at variable rates, ……and bought shares in an unlisted trust that pays 13 %income .
    They pay back the banks interest owing each month, and pocket the profit. All that had to be done, is to pay tax on that profit margin at tax time.
    This is a higher risk strategy though… that you may lose some or all of the original capital. But in this case, not only is this ‘friend’ recieving an income stream, but the trust units have recently been revalued at 20% more than they paid for them a few yrs ago. Liquidity is obviously not as good as a listed company, but a few folk have wanted to get out, and others buy in, and theres been no problem. And its not sex toys, drugs or other dodgy stuff![lmao]

    And re pubs… I agree… that we DO lose money on! Steer clear. [glum2]

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    Hi meatgroup.
    reading the posts, & popped on just to encourage you not to be afraid of the -vely geared property,or other investments ,IF chosen wisely & for capital growth. If I was in your position, I would jump in… but thats me. Everyone has a different risk profile, cashflow etc.

    I am earning $38 000 per annum gross. I bought my 1 st IP in 1999, -ve gearing (cause I had to borrow all costs as well), then another one a few yrs after. I am considering another one within a year or two, when my cashflow improves and equity rises. And I am 54 yrs old. I waited till I was 48 to start investing… and only after I had had an income shock.. where my job was restructured and I lost about 1/3 of my annual income.
    It was then that I thought I has better get a wiggle on & do something about building a passive income stream, otherwise life and earned income would one day pass me by.
    I would have have been very comfortable now, had I made the decision to invest sooner.

    An ex banking consultant recently told me that we have our choice… either pay TAX, or pay out in INTEREST. I thought that was wise.
    This is only by way of encouragement, NOT financial advice.
    [smiling]

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    Thanks Marc.. bit of perspective there… appreciate the reality check[smiling]

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    thanks all.. and to cazmeister re small amounts in super. I did claim the co-contribution last yr… I didnt have to put in a huge amount either… think that the optimum for me was $450 of my own money. I used the ATO tax calculator to figure out the best amount.

    Another question for y’all. Anyone know how bank guarantees work… if buying OTP? And has anyone had bad/positive experiences with them? What are pitfalls?

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    Thanks Trajic
    So I assume then that I’m not actually getting as much tax relief as I has thought, ( being on the lower tax rate). Bum

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    how does depreciation work? I have 2 IPs, and seems that I DO get tax break for depreciation. Bought new in 1999 and 2001 respectively. And isnt there building depreciation, as well as things like fridges, carpets, blinds etc? Is it a set % each your, and is it a tax offset, or do I only get 21%(my tax rate) of the depreciation amount back? I cant read the accountants statements very well.
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    Land on the moon for sale!? You fair dinkum? I have to save up for a Virgin Galactic fare to view the site for my due diligence?
    Honestly… wondering how that works?

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    Dear Terryw

    I agree with the other posts.. Ok to have 2 x LOC s.Split or create another one.
    make sure that you keep your personal incomings and outgoings seperate from investment LOC. Otherwise it developes into an accounting nightmare, you’ll pay higher accountant fees at tax time, and you will forever be asked the question…”is it for personal or investment purposes”. You dont want the tax dept chasing you down for receipts either[lmao]

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    Heck, thanks guys… I sure am glad that I found this forum… I will get on to that calculator
    … and have a play around. My hope was that one day I could live off my investments and I think I just need to see myself as having lots of time to invest.

    It is so true.. I DO want to travel and get out of the grind.. and see places.. and buy lunch! (how many of us have been taking a cut lunch for yrs to save $!?) I Wanna be an old grey groover one day.[upsidedown]
    Seriously though.. I figure that we will actually all need MORE $ when we retire… lifestyle, outsourcing domestic chores, medical costs, prosthetic hip when we are 95 years old, so that we can climb the Swiss Alps etc….

    You guys have all positive geared properties? My 2 are negative. How do you get a positive geared P and get future good capital growth ?
    Summersky

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    Thanks LA Aussie… and all you other forumites… maybe I am getting too anxious. I have been stressing about this for 6 mths now. I really wanted to be retired before or at 60, as I would love to travel, but havent had the opportunity to. Suppose if I have to stack shelves for another few more years … so what! I’ll take a deep breath and calm down![chill]
    Anyone know then, the end result of 10 yrs of supers savings (with tax benefits & interest), compared to gearing the same amount over 10 yrs?

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    I realise now that I should have given out more info… that would have helped in the 1 st place.
    I am 54 y.o, have 2 IPs already. Value of them together $600-$650k. Total debt still owing on them is $408k. But I have already milked equity on them to buy shares in an unlisted company….which produce a very slightly positive income( and even slighter capital growth!) that in turn helps me meet loan and other costs on these properties.I bought my 1st IP in 1999, the other a year or so later.
    Since the years are ticking… I am trying to work out if now is the time to batton down and chuck any spare cash into super, or go for broke and use the $ to save for a deposit on another IP.

    I find it very confusing… and have been to several FA and Planners, but get the feeling that they are trying to sell me managed funds etc
    Another said that my risk profile was out there. (Does that mean I’m out on a limb and too stupid to know the danger?!)[withstupid]

    My concern is that me popping salary sacrifice into my Industry super,doesnt have the benefit of gearing.. but does now have tax advantages. I know that there are no guarantees with property
    either though.
    maybe my expectations are too high… a planner once suggested that I will be happy on an income in retirement of $40. I begged to differ, and his reply was that many people set unrealistic goals for themselves. Wondering now if I am one of them

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    Wow! Hey guys.. I’m not used to being on such a fast moving forum… so thanks for taking time out to answer.. I appreciate the support

    I realised on reading all your reply posts.. I paid 21% tax last yr, not 27%… my mistake , must have pressed the wrong key. Sorry for that blunder…( and on my 1 st post too!.[glum])
    I am on 42 k per yr. I am approx 6-8 yrs out from retirement. I think that I’d hate to miss out on the remaining earning years that I have left… in terms of getting some investment behind me. My super fund is the one at work… not my own SMF, so cant buy assets within super

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