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    What I've done is use my PPoR and first four IPs all CC'd as security for a reasonably large LOC. I now keep all new properties stand-alone except for using the LOC for the 25% equity / buying costs required.

    I find this a good compromise. I'm limited more by my debt servicing capacity rather than my equity, ie my PPoR and four IPs tend to provide all the equity I can use, so I don't need to cross collateralise any new properties.

    The LOC can be divided into several sub-accounts which makes the accounting a lot simpler, but it's not essential. It is vital however,  to keep any private sub-account well separated from the investment sub-accounts. 
     
    It's probably a good idea to keep any share investments separate from property in a big LOC as I've recently come to realise. I just shifted all my shares into my super fund (because I'm now at the age when I can draw a TTR pension) but in doing so, all that portion of my big LOC that was used to purchase shares is now effectively private debt. I can't pay that part out separately; I must apportion any principal repayments between the investment and private parts. The only way to kill my private debt now is to pay out the entire balance of my LOC.

    Just one other point on Steve's portfolio. If you listen to his disc at the back of his book, he'll tell you he didn't have more than about 80 properties at any one time. He's done a fair bit of selling as well as buying.

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    I've just finished reading Noel W's new book on saving tax on your investment property, and he's quite adamant that you need to be absent from your property for the six year rule to apply. Noel states that if you get in boarders in the first six months your PPoR instantly converts to an IP and it loses CGT exemption from that date onwards. He suggests house swapping with a mate afer six months is a good strategy, but it might look a bit obvious to the ATO if you're each in one half of the same duplex (as he suggests).
      I believe that house swapping with a mate is identical to simply moving out of your PPoR, renting it out and renting any other property anywhere for yourself. The latter might save your friendship too!

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    gibbo1 wrote:
    Does anyone know when the payments will increase?  Is it from today

    This is all I've been able to find so far Gibbo:

    The first-home buyers scheme will be time limited. All contracts entered into by June 30 next year will be eligible for the new assistance.
    It implies that any new contracts started as of now will be eligible, but it may be a bit rough for anybody who signed one yesterday.

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    jeffreycarig wrote:
    The government  is giving a grant for houses. Are apartments considered houses? Subsequently are they eligible for the grant too?

    They certainly are eligible Jeffrey; it's a first home owner's grant, not a first house owners grant.

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    Tysonboss1 wrote:
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    Rule of 70 . Divide 70 by the growth p/a to find out when investment doubles. So 70 / 7% p/a = 10 years but remember the longer the time period the more the average growth will be 7% p/a

    I thought it was the rule of 72,…. you divide 72 by the 10% return and it tells you how long it takes to double

    It depends on the percentage. 72 is more appropriate when the percentage is around 8%
    Here's a table:
    %    "Rule Of" Number
    2            70.01
    4            70.69
    6             71.37
    7             71.71
    8             72.05
    9             72.39
    10           72.73
    12           73.40

    Here's the maths if anyone is interested:

       intRate = [int rate]/100
       [years to double] = log(2)/log(1+intRate)
       [72 rule] = [years to double]*[int rate]

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    I agree Erik that our population squeeze and level of industrialisation must equate to more expensive housing now. I just don't see how this increase relative to wages etc can continue indefinitely. Even 1% difference (property growth above inflation) means houses will be twice as expensive in today's dollars in 70 years time. 2% will make that happen in 35 years time.
     
    Affordability must eventually become a governer in the balance of market forces. 
      

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    ErikH wrote:
    Very likely that in the long term property will continue to double every 10 yrs or so. The question is how long the current bearish period will be… Michael Keating states in his blog entry of 24th January 2008: – Australian property prices have averaged 10.4% growth over the last 120 yrs – UK property prices have been recorded since the year 1088 and over those 920 yrs property prices have gained on average 10.2% per annum

    ErikH, I'm extremely skeptical of any study that shows property increasing that much over such an extended period. I've seen other studies that show about 5-6% over the last 100 years for Australian property.
    Let's look at the maths: 10.4% over 120 years is a factor of 143314.06. Can anyone tell what inflation has averaged over the last 120 years? I've had a bit of trouble finding a decent reference.
    Assuming it was 5% gives a factor of 348.91which means a house now is 410 times more expensive than it was 120 years ago if the 10.4% growth is correct.
    Even assuming inflation averaged 8% gives a factor of 10252.99 which means that a house is now 14 times more expensive. It just doesn't make sense that property can outstrip inflation by more than a percent or so over the very long term.

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    Rav, I just thought I would point out some simple maths. It is possible to increase your net worth if your investment property simply follows inflation. Let's assume that inflation is at 4% and property prices are increasing at 4%pa. You borrowed 80k (interest only) to pay  for an IP worth 100k 17.7 years ago, back in early 1990 . It takes 17.67 years to double at 4%pa, so your house is now worth 200k, but your loan is still at 80k. Your IP is still only worth 100k in 1990 dollars, but your loan is now worth only 40k in 1990 dollars. In today's dollars you now have an equity of 120k.
       I've assumed inflation and growth rate stayed constant over 17 years, and I've ignored the balance of interest and expenses vs rent; I've simply showed the effect of inflation on equity. Rent should have at least increased with inflation, as would expenses, but interest stays constant (assuming a constant interest rate of course).

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    It seems Dixon haven't changed their spots for decades. Just thought I'd mention a Dixon home that was being built in our suburb back in 1986. The owners were so incensed with Dixon's slow progress that they erected a sign near their fence that read something along the lines: CLAYTONS HOME. Dixon were supposed to finish our house months ago; they are full of promises, but that's not all they are full of. etc etc. 
       Dixon builders pulled the sign down, but the owners called the police, who forced the builders to put it back up again. Strangely, the home seemed to be finished fairly rapidly after that.
      We've called that home the Claytons home ever since.

    PS if any of you young'uns are curious about the origin of the term Claytons:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claytons is an interesting read.

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    Hi Terry, I'm just going off what my accountant has told me:

    "I have tested the Tax Office on quite a few cases and they seem to be happy
    with no need for having to move away etc to get the 6 year rule. With the
    large property value increases in recent times I am always cautious as to
    how they will try and attack CGT, but they seem to be fairly relaxed in the
    6 year rule (at this stage….)."

    I'd like to know for sure though.

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    That's ok Alex, but remember you can only rent it out for six years with PPoR status, provided you don't have another ppor. You only have to live in for about 1 month to show ppor status. The six months is for the FHBG. You only have to live in it for another month in six years time to reset your ppor status. There's nothing wrong with the sharing concept. That's what I'm trying to get my kids to do. It's ok while they're single, but it's no fun when you're newly married and trying to put up with boarders. (that's what I did for six weeks and it s'd big time!)

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    Luke, I'm pretty sure you now have to live in it for six months. Some people may get away with not doing that, but I've heard of some having to pay it back , for not conforming to the six month rule.

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    Alex, you can claim the FHBG, but it would be best to do all that through your solicitor to make sure it's all done properly. You can also rent out your PPoR while you are living in it, and still keep your CGT free status for six years. It may be better to start living there by yourself for a month to establish it's credentials as your PPoR, but after that you have six years. All you have to do after that period is kick your boarders out for another month, and it resets again. I used to think the six year rule was only for when you were overseas etc, but I'm told by my accountant that you can still live in it and claim that rule. (You can't have any other property as your PPoR at the same time of course).
     If for example you get two boarders sharing with you, then you can also claim two thirds of the rates and interest as a deduction. You'll have to declare their rent as income of course, but it's probably much in your favour, as it will be net negative in the current climate. You can probably claim proportionate depreciation as well.

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