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  • Profile photo of Steve McKnightSteve McKnight
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    Hi,

    I don’t think you sound at all stupid.

    The depreciation expense doesn’t ‘go’ anywhere.

    It just reduces the amount of trust income that needs to be distributed to the beneficaries.

    In the example, without the depreciation, the amount that would be distributed is $20,000. After depreciation, the amount falls to $10,000.

    If this still doesn’t make sense then I suggest you talk it over with your accountant.

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    Hi,

    The great thing about this forum is that people are welcome to have and express alternative opinions.

    If you can’t find any +ve cashflow propertiers then no problems… no one is forcing you to invest that way.

    For me though, I can continue to find and buy a range of properties and to date my strategy has worked well.

    As the market changes I expect that my strategy will need to change too. I am mindful of what mught happen in the future and I agree that the boom capital gains periods are coming to an end, but my I invest for cashflow not capital gains.

    This is my strategy, which is right for me. You need your own strategy for you conditions and circumstance.

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    Hi,

    I have finalised dates for the next API seminar, booked the speakers etc.

    I have now committed to change the pricing effective from the end of this month.

    From 1 March the price will be $2,195 per person with a 75% discount for bookings of two or more people.

    Those that have pre-booked or registered their interest may still have the old price. If you are thinking about attending the seminar then I urge you to book while the lower offer still exists.

    I just can’t keep the price that cheap for any longer.

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    Hi,

    Welcome to the forum!

    One value is for positive cashflow and the other value is for bank lending purposes (ie. it has to do with acceptable bank risk vs. cashflow returns)

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    Ah,

    Not quite… to see my thoughts on depreciation please visit:

    https://www.propertyinvesting.com/depreciation

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    Hi,

    I’m saying the actual cashflow you receive is $20,000, but the amount of income that needs to be distributed to beneficiaries is only $10,000.

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    Hi,

    Yes. Here’s how it works…

    Turst Income: $40,000
    Trust Expenses: $20,000
    Depreciation: $10,000

    Nett Trust Income: $10,000

    This nett trust income is then distributed to the beneficiaries.

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    Hi,

    Don’t just limit yourself to Sydney… good accountants are so hard to find, I’d be willing to go interstate to find one if I couldn’t source one locally.

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    Tails277…

    I’d really like to know what your wealth creation plan is.

    If you feel comfortable, post it here and I’ll provide some feedback.

    Cheers,

    Steve McKnight

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    Hi,

    I think that you have missed the wider picture of how to create positive cashflow returns and I certainly feel that you have misapplied the ’11 Second Solution’.

    From my experience finding a deal that would be wildly cashflow positive based on ring real estate agents and applying the 11 sec solution is a gross under-exageration of what’s needed to be truly successful.

    The purpose of the 11 sec solution is to find an area to invest in… the next job is to find properties that lend themselves to falling within a parameter of problems that you are able to solve.

    The buy and hold technique is just one of many ways you can use to get +ve cashflow… it is certainly not the only way.

    Be very careful not to adopt an attitude of “I can’t do it, so the whole idea must be flawed.” This is not true at all. I continue to attract and invest in +ve cashflow properties, and I know that many other people do too.

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    Ok we have finally found a unit that a tenant can afford, but the only problem is that you now live 250km away from you investment, it is old and in need of constant repair, the capital growth in the small hamlet is bearly keeping up with CPI.


    Saying this suggests that the outcome you want is confused. Do you want cashflow or capital gains? If it is old and in need of constant repair then you need to factor that into the deal. if the numbers and the risk:reward ratio don’t work out… don’t buy the deal.

    For example, yesterday I told a friend about a house for sale in his area for $30,000. Only problem was that it was pretty much in the middle of nowhere… but it was a potential opportunity.

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    You have been investing since 1985 which means that you should have 7 or 8 properties ( buying 1 every 2 to 3 years).


    To whom is this directed? I began investing in May 1999.

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    Now when i retire the last thing i want to be doing is having to repaint,repair,worry about the idiot who hasnt paid rent for two months and could be causing thousands of dollars damage because its not his property and if you havent had any trouble yet like this, you are very lucky.


    Hmmm… this is scarcity talk as you seem to be focusing on fear and the worst case scenario. If this is your paradigm then you could get tenant insurance for potential damage. I have not had any such trouble and I don’t regard it as luck.

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    I would like to here from people who have cash positve investments to put their case forward on how we can rent a 250k,130k and a 75 property using the 11 sec rule


    Well, I have properties at, above and below these values that are all +ve cashflow and exceed the 11 sec solution.

    I think that Stuart O’Neil has great advice… he says Tenants don’t rent houses people do! If you do not like dealing with people…buy shares! Property is a peoples game.

    Finally, I’d like to finish on a positive… despite your bias that you don’t seem to think it can be done, you at least remain open to the possibility that you might stand corrected. To this end you should be encouraged for having the conviction to write down your concerns.

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    Rob,

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    SOME QUESTIONS: the satellite town – how can I find out if this is a good place or not?


    Look at the population to begin with. If it is more than 15,000 then it is likely to be a good possibility. Is it contracting or expanding?

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    – most properties that can be +ve are older – what are the maintance on such places? I was assuming 20% of rent – good idea or not???


    You need to determine this on a case by case basis. Ask the builder when you get an inspection.

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    doubts!!! How to get rid of them? Coffee/drugs/stress pills?


    It comes with confidence… but there will always be fear because you are moving out of a comfort zone. Growing pains is not just a phrase… it’s a reality.

    Have you seen the movie Galaxy Quest? “Never Give Up, Never Surrender!” [:)]

    Congrats on beginning your search, you are among the 1% of people doing something!

    Have an absolutely outstanding day.

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    Hi,

    I’m in the modd to answer a few questions…

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    1. When people say Market Value, e.g. “buy a property below Market value”, does this mean below the median price of the area? or have the property valued and buy it below that?


    Market value is generally an expression of an unquantifiable figure of what similar properties are being sold for in the current market. I doubt it has much to do with median house price data as this takes about 3 months to come out.

    Market value is most often the ‘gut feeling value’ given as a response to the question “what are properties around here selling for?”

    Of course, the market value can only be accurately after the property is sold, at which point it reflects what a buyer will pay and the value a seller will receive.

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    2. Does anyone use a property manager? I need some advice on selecting one. What makes a good property manager?


    A good property manager is one that sees a problem before it occurs, then solves it in a way that is efficient both in terms of time and cost.

    Trust is absolutely essential… and we feel our property manager looks after our assets like she would her own.

    We don’t take the cheapest, since often paying peanuts attracts monkeys!

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    Hello Chris,

    Thanks for your post and welcome to the PropertyInvesting.com forum.

    To answer your questions:

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    1) How do banks view wrapping?


    My experience is that if you walk in off the street then banks are not fond of wraps. If you have a contact though who is keen to write business and is further up the internal tree, then the outcome is much more favourable.

    quote:


    2) Is there a standard contract for wrapping?


    No. There is no standard contract as such since the details on every property differ in price and as such terms. However there is standard (or at least similar) wording that is used for wraps. This is the detail that I include in the special conditions of my wrap contracts.

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    3)If you wrap a house who has ownership of the property for purposes of building depreciation during the mortgage?


    This is an interesting question and not one I have thought about before… my first thought is your wrap client as you essentially transfer risks and benefits of ownership to them. But if the deal fell over, then working through this issue could be complicated. Let me think about it some more and I’ll get back to you.

    quote:


    4) Is there someone who is expert at wrapping in Sydney that we can contact?


    Yes. Rick Otton is a considered a wrap expert based out of New South Wales. For more info, visit his website .

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    Hi,

    Crunch the numbers further…

    At first glance it meets the 11 sec solution, but what are the management fees, vacancies etc.

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    Hi,

    I think your lender has it wrong. There is no rent. It is just like if Wizard had a loan on the property and then the client went to the NAB to be refinanced.

    The NAB would look at “equity” in house, together with the normal loan approval checklist before saying yes or no.

    Usually the loan will more than pay you out provided there has been sufficient growth in equity.

    Let’s take an example:

    You buy $60,000
    You Sell $80,000 (less $10k deposit)
    Loan $70,000

    After five years let’s say the loan is now $64,000.

    During the same period the property has risen to $100,000. The client (at worst) goes to a no doc loan who will lend 70%.

    Under this model, the client pays you out ($64k) and pockets some cash after closing costs ($4 to 5k).

    This, from my experience is what has happened to date.

    The problem though… is what happens in a falling property market????

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    Hi,

    There have been some excellent quality posts in reply to your request.

    My thoughts are that you need to determine what your outcome is that you are trying to achieve from investing (ie. capital gains or cashflow).

    Deciding this will enable you to focus on particualr types of property investments.

    Then it’s a matter of finding them, which will require some effort.

    If you haven’t already done so then I recommend the Fast Track tape that I recently completed with David (my business partner). In it we outline what we did when making a start, so you should find the information relevant.

    Re: books, do you earn interest? If so then maybe you could argue you already invest and as such books etc. are just extrapolations of maximising your investing dollar. Don’t rely on this though… see your accountant.

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    Matt,

    Was I was outlining was that someone who is classed as trading in property does not pay capital gains tax.

    This would be disadvantageous as no 50% CGT discount would apply to traders. Instead all of the gain is treated as assessable income.

    The ‘trade up’ provisions of US law re: property do not apply in Australia.

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    Marcus,

    Thanks for your post.

    If you have interpreted anything I’ve said to cast doubt on Burley’s integrity then I assure you this was not the intention.

    However, being an Australian site and dealing with Australian issues, I feel it is relevant to point out that an offer made on an international website calling for (directly or indirectly) Australian investors is treading on thin ice. Fact.

    Re: your post about Joe Gutnick. You are right to say it was about defamation, however the High Court addressed the issue about publication on the ‘net too.

    Final word – this site is not about mud slinging or cutting people off at the knees. It is designed to be a forum to discuss issues constructively.

    Sincerely,

    Steve McKnight

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    Greetings!

    A BIG Friday hello and welcome to the community [:D]

    Let’s see if I can help…

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    My questions are, are there any loopholes on avoiding capital gains?


    Well, first up, let me point out that you only pay CGT if you sell. I’d imagine that given the equity you have in your home and investment property you’d find securing finance a bit easier – especially on a no-doc or other non-conforming loan. Give Andrew Burgan (mortgage broker – Wizard) a call on 03 9870 4451.

    If you feel you need to sell then I think that there’s a great chance you’ll pay less tax than you think.

    Here’s why…

    I imagine that you own the property in joint names or at least in one name as an individual (as opposed to a company).

    This being the case you will qualify for a 50% exemption.

    Ideally the would have the following effect:

    Capital Gain: $100,000

    Split 50:50 means you have a taxable capital gain of $50,000.

    Then you both qualify for a 50% capital gains discount meaning that you will be paying tax on only $25,000 (each) of it.

    I’m not sure how much other income you have, but, assuming you have none, tax on $25,000 is $3,880.

    So, on a gain of $100,000 you might be able to knock it down to $3,880 * 2 (people) = $7,760.

    If you own it in one name then you might be able to gift half of it to the other person… this is a bit tricky though and you should seek accounting advice.

    Another option is to move into your investment property as your home, live in it for six months or so, and then sell it under the principal place of residence CHT exemption and pay no tax! Once again, seek proper accounting advice before doing anything.

    quote:


    Someone told me that if you are a property developer ie renovator you can roll over the capital gains on to the next property when you sell, have you heard of this?


    No. In fact if you trade in property then there is no CGT, instead you pay income on your profits as if it were say a salary or wage.

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    I have phoned the ato to ask them how long one has to live in a house in order to avoid paying cgt, but they gave me no clear answer.


    Because there is no clear answer to give. But you must be able to prove that it was your home and that you lived there.

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    How is one suppose to get anywhere in life if the ato sucks all your profits like a vacuum cleaner?


    Here Here!

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    Hi,

    You could split them which would be advantageous from the perspective of maximising your interest deduction on your investment loan (since you are not paying any principal).

    Why not? Unless the cost of swapping over to this new loan meant that there was little benefit in doing so.

    On another issue… if you own your investment property in your own name, which is probably the case, you might like to get some structuring advice if you plan to acquire more real estate. See your accountant.

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