It’s been suggested that rather than passively scanning the net or looking at papers, it’s better to strike up relationships with RE agents and ask about properties in their ‘bottom drawer’ that may not be up on window. I might adopt this approach (as well as scanning ads) for the second IP.
Yep – I do this too, but at the end of the day, unless you are constantly calling agents then most agents pay more attention to the buyer walking in the door than the buyer on the phone.
That’s my experience.
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Since I’m online and since I’m not doing anything better… let’s have more of a look at your reply.
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I’m 32, earning a reasonable wage, married with 3 kids. I have had my first IP for just over 12 months now and built up about $30k in equity.
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I would like to build up a reasonably sized property portfolio to use as a retirement nest egg and maybe retire early. (Don’t we all!)
Well – the difference b/w a dream and reality is a quantifiable plan. Eg. how much in passive incopme per week do you need to cut down from 5 days to 4 days and have more time with the family? By waht date do you plan to have this accomplished?
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My plan? To do this I’m not sure how many properties I will need, just thought that each year I would look at the finances and if I found the right property, invest again.
Hmmm – sounds a bit wishy-washy to me! This is not the talk of a determined mind, but someone waiting for opportunity to find them. You need to work out how bad you want that early retirement.
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Not much of a plan I know. I don’t know whether to build up a number of lower priced properties at around $100k range, (the first IP cost $110k) say 3 or 4, before moving into the higher priced properties. I’m hoping some of you good people might be able to give me some direction.
As a rule of thumb, it’s better to own 4 * $100k properties than 1 * $400k property.
That way you can spread your risk of vacancy wiping out your cashflow.
My advice would be to work harder at deciding what you want, for when you have a goal it’s just a matter of method (and effort) to get you there.
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Such a post raises the point that many people fail to consider a deal from all angles>
Let me explain…
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or 39.5% RIO…
What if this deal were in a non-descript town devoid of all emotion (a la ‘in the country’) and we changed the terms to 0 cashflow but an annual capital gains of 30% per annum. Would you be happy then?
I am not the champion of country property per se, however the simple truth is that my property portfolio is build on yield first and cap. growth (if any) second.
And here’s an idea from left field… why not take part of your c/flow weekly profit and invest in shares for capital gain? That way you could get both c/flow and cap. gains?
What’s required here is a realistic estimation of the risk of the deal (ie. will vacancies ruin you -> this means doing a proper due diligence over the tenant) vs. the rewards (ie. +ve cashflow).
But really… at $27k, that’s cheaper than some of the seminars going around!!!!
Oh, and by the way, when I started investing in Ballarat back in 1999, I was given the same advice about capital gains and avoiding country areas like the black death… thank goodness I had the sense not to abandon my plans and instead decided to do my own research.
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Might I suggest that you simply sign a ‘normal’ listing agreement that has one additional clause, which is that the agreement is subject to an attached memorandum of understanding (MoA)
In the MoA simply flesh out what you have written in this post (sort of like a job description) and then have the agent sign it.
In other professional circles (such as lawyers and accountants), such a document is called an ‘engagement letter’.
IMHO, that would be the path of least resistence to get the outcome you desire.
Don’t revent the wheel… work with the system rather than fight it.
On a different note, I’d like to personally thank you for all your wonderful contributions. You are a fountain of knowledge and a real asset to this community.
Warm regards,
Steve McKnight
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I suggest you subscribe to the Australian Property Investor magazine (http://www.apimagazine.com.au) as it contains a summary of all the major markets (including Brisbane).
I don’t care much for the editorial comments – often written by academics rather than seasoned investors, but the statistics are handy.
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I’m currently in Mackay, an area where properties that meet the 11 sec. solution are as rare as hen’s teeth.
Or so I’m told, except that there in yesterday’s paper is the following ad:
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“Investors possible over 9% return”
This neat and tidy 3 bedroom home could easily be rented for $155 p/w which if purchased for $89,000 gives over a 9% return very hard to beat around town on residential property.
OK – it’s outside of the 11 sec. solution, but only just. Perhaps this is the sort of property that would warrant further investigation to see if the numbers stack up?
This post gives you a good insight into the way that I find the majority of my deals… reading papers and scanning the net.
Of course, these options are available to us all.
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I wonder… what happens if there is a capital loss?
And seriously, what is the target market for a tenant that will pay 75% above market rate (that is $700 for a property with a market rent of $400 per week)?
Like most things that come from the NII, it might seem attractive on paper, but what is presented is usually based on the best case scenario and simplified beyond belief.
The devil is in the detail, which I suspect is yet to be properly fleshed out by real life deals done at arms length and on a replicable basis.
I’m happy to be proved wrong though.
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Excellent post and a great opportunity for members to flesh out the nos on a deal.
I’d probably not gone too much further on a block of units (that will essentially be a buy and hold, flip or ify reno) after calculating the gross yield.
That is, $42,900 / $650,000 = 6.6%
That’s too low for the risk:reward return in my book.
…but it might make a good negatively geared property []
Keep going… Dave and I have agreed to purchase multiple +ve cashflow houses since the seminar.
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Thanks for your post and welcome to the community!
It might seem like a small question, but it requires a 2-day seminar to provide you with a proper answer.
Might I suggest that the place to start is not “what to buy?”, but rather “what profit outcome do I hope to achieve?”
Furthermore, think through the issue and ascertain when you hope to be financially free from the need to work and then consider whether property can help you achieve this goal.
Your profit outcome choices are either capital gains and/or positive cashflow. Your choice will then determine what kind of property you need to focus on.
As for areas, well, as recent APIM graduates know… good deals exist in all areas when you know what to look for, which is solving the problems of vendor’s and tenants.
Good luck and keep posting!
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At this point in time this post actually conflicts with the rules of the forum re: advertising.
I understand that you are seeking/offering to be a money partner, but given the issues with ASIC prospectus requirements, the Internet (ie. public offer) this is not the best place to make your post.
When the site is rereleased I hope to have this issue better sorted out.
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A common trick is to try and sell overpriced property to off-shore investors who don’t know he market.
For you, used to London prices and with a favourable pound:dollar exchange rate, the prices might seem cheap.
However, that is not to suggest that you will be paying too much for the property!
I wonder, who do you think is paying for the seminar, flights to London etc? It will be the overseas buyer.
If you decide to go ahead, then I would suggest that you have an Austrlian do the negotiating for you here in Oz. Perhaps consider using an independent buyer’s advocate to act on your behalf.
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I’m back in the office for a day and then off to Mackay tomorrow for some R & R.
This is a very interesting post for a few reasons.
I actually believe making offers without seeing the property is not necessarily a bad thing, provided that you know what you are doing.
That is to say that there must be some due diligence over the property, which means an inspection by someone who knows what to look out for.
This may (and usually should) be a builder – however, once you’ve looked through a thousand or so properties then you get some idea of the danger signs yourself.
As for crazy prices… for +ve cashflow investors the yield is the most critical thing to review.
As for time… the less you do at the beginning the more you’ll have to do later when things go wrong.
If you are going to gamble… buy a lottery ticket. It’s a lot less expensive when you lose, and a lot more exciting when you win.
Happy investing!
Steve McKnight
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