Market seems pretty hot here at the moment, although industry is still recovering from the drought.
And, at the risk of alienating my good fried AD [], banana benders seem to do things a little odd up here where 17 degrees is considered cool.
Furthermore, the latest fast train is called a ’tilt’ train. I don’t know about you, but in my mis-spent youth, when I tilted the local fish and chip pinball machine, I was chased out of the shop by the owner.
I don’t think that I’d want to be on a train going 160kms an hour where it’s normal for it to be ’tilting’.
Still, having said that, perhaps some of the smaller regions will benefit by having the increased infrastructure passing through… if you get my drift.
Well, I’m about to go and sit on an island for a few days (tough life this property investing []). I’ll see ya when I get back to civilisation.
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I think you are right to allow the needs of the owner/tenant dictate whether or not you should enter into a wrap.
If not him then weigh up very carefully how you plan to attract a tenant who is willing to pay a significant market premium to buy vs. rent.
If I were you I’d be trying to lock in at the current price on a 6 month+ settlement, somehow giving this guy what he needs too. That will give you the best chance to quickly revalue on settlement and recoup your cash down.
However, just remember that on a low down deal you’ll have to pay more interest.
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Yep – last night Julie’s dad pulled out a map of the GBR area and highlighted which areas are planned to be included in a new marine park.
He was commenting that his fishing chances should improve when the commercial fishing boats are kept away.
In the papers there was the usual talk aof masive redundancies, together with comments that fresh prawns for dinner will be a thing of the past. [] (I’ve just come back from a lunch of yummy fresh seafood on the marina [^])
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My question is, how many people actually look at the environmental issues/concerns when doing research into buying IP’s in certain areas (Left Field – I know!)
Well, up here, the cane and the mines drive industry more than the fishing, and tourism I don’t think will be greatly effected.
My thoughts are that provided there are other industries, life will go on more the majority.
Still, you raise an interesting point for uni-industry towns, such as perhaps Moe and Morwell. If the issue with the sale of Loy Yang are not finalised (ie. sale with the ACCC) , then there may be some issues there.
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I would however like to know the extent people go to when doing their research and due diligence when purchasing IP’s interstate
As you know, Dave and I have been in a secret [?]area lately, which has one main industry where half the workforce was on strike.
We were put off by this, until we found out more about the industry and realised that it was an area in transition going forwards rather than backwards.
As far as IP is concerned, I think that looking at rental vacancies is a good judge for the potential risk if industry in the area fails.
If there is a lot of supply of rental properties to begin with, adverse changes may have a more dramatic (ie. compunding) effect as people move away.
As another comment, I’m always concerned when investors as opposed to homebuyers are the ones forcing prices up. That’s the reason why Dave and I have moved away from the La Trobe valley.
Put bluntly, when our favourite IP fishing spot (to use your theme) begins to attract all manor of fishers, then we move on.
Not long until Fiji!!!! Enjoy yourself and don’t get sunburnt on the beach!
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It’s been suggested that rather than passively scanning the net or looking at papers, it’s better to strike up relationships with RE agents and ask about properties in their ‘bottom drawer’ that may not be up on window. I might adopt this approach (as well as scanning ads) for the second IP.
Yep – I do this too, but at the end of the day, unless you are constantly calling agents then most agents pay more attention to the buyer walking in the door than the buyer on the phone.
That’s my experience.
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Since I’m online and since I’m not doing anything better… let’s have more of a look at your reply.
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I’m 32, earning a reasonable wage, married with 3 kids. I have had my first IP for just over 12 months now and built up about $30k in equity.
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I would like to build up a reasonably sized property portfolio to use as a retirement nest egg and maybe retire early. (Don’t we all!)
Well – the difference b/w a dream and reality is a quantifiable plan. Eg. how much in passive incopme per week do you need to cut down from 5 days to 4 days and have more time with the family? By waht date do you plan to have this accomplished?
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My plan? To do this I’m not sure how many properties I will need, just thought that each year I would look at the finances and if I found the right property, invest again.
Hmmm – sounds a bit wishy-washy to me! This is not the talk of a determined mind, but someone waiting for opportunity to find them. You need to work out how bad you want that early retirement.
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Not much of a plan I know. I don’t know whether to build up a number of lower priced properties at around $100k range, (the first IP cost $110k) say 3 or 4, before moving into the higher priced properties. I’m hoping some of you good people might be able to give me some direction.
As a rule of thumb, it’s better to own 4 * $100k properties than 1 * $400k property.
That way you can spread your risk of vacancy wiping out your cashflow.
My advice would be to work harder at deciding what you want, for when you have a goal it’s just a matter of method (and effort) to get you there.
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Such a post raises the point that many people fail to consider a deal from all angles>
Let me explain…
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or 39.5% RIO…
What if this deal were in a non-descript town devoid of all emotion (a la ‘in the country’) and we changed the terms to 0 cashflow but an annual capital gains of 30% per annum. Would you be happy then?
I am not the champion of country property per se, however the simple truth is that my property portfolio is build on yield first and cap. growth (if any) second.
And here’s an idea from left field… why not take part of your c/flow weekly profit and invest in shares for capital gain? That way you could get both c/flow and cap. gains?
What’s required here is a realistic estimation of the risk of the deal (ie. will vacancies ruin you -> this means doing a proper due diligence over the tenant) vs. the rewards (ie. +ve cashflow).
But really… at $27k, that’s cheaper than some of the seminars going around!!!!
Oh, and by the way, when I started investing in Ballarat back in 1999, I was given the same advice about capital gains and avoiding country areas like the black death… thank goodness I had the sense not to abandon my plans and instead decided to do my own research.
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Might I suggest that you simply sign a ‘normal’ listing agreement that has one additional clause, which is that the agreement is subject to an attached memorandum of understanding (MoA)
In the MoA simply flesh out what you have written in this post (sort of like a job description) and then have the agent sign it.
In other professional circles (such as lawyers and accountants), such a document is called an ‘engagement letter’.
IMHO, that would be the path of least resistence to get the outcome you desire.
Don’t revent the wheel… work with the system rather than fight it.
On a different note, I’d like to personally thank you for all your wonderful contributions. You are a fountain of knowledge and a real asset to this community.
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I suggest you subscribe to the Australian Property Investor magazine (http://www.apimagazine.com.au) as it contains a summary of all the major markets (including Brisbane).
I don’t care much for the editorial comments – often written by academics rather than seasoned investors, but the statistics are handy.
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I’m currently in Mackay, an area where properties that meet the 11 sec. solution are as rare as hen’s teeth.
Or so I’m told, except that there in yesterday’s paper is the following ad:
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“Investors possible over 9% return”
This neat and tidy 3 bedroom home could easily be rented for $155 p/w which if purchased for $89,000 gives over a 9% return very hard to beat around town on residential property.
OK – it’s outside of the 11 sec. solution, but only just. Perhaps this is the sort of property that would warrant further investigation to see if the numbers stack up?
This post gives you a good insight into the way that I find the majority of my deals… reading papers and scanning the net.
Of course, these options are available to us all.
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I wonder… what happens if there is a capital loss?
And seriously, what is the target market for a tenant that will pay 75% above market rate (that is $700 for a property with a market rent of $400 per week)?
Like most things that come from the NII, it might seem attractive on paper, but what is presented is usually based on the best case scenario and simplified beyond belief.
The devil is in the detail, which I suspect is yet to be properly fleshed out by real life deals done at arms length and on a replicable basis.
I’m happy to be proved wrong though.
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Excellent post and a great opportunity for members to flesh out the nos on a deal.
I’d probably not gone too much further on a block of units (that will essentially be a buy and hold, flip or ify reno) after calculating the gross yield.
That is, $42,900 / $650,000 = 6.6%
That’s too low for the risk:reward return in my book.
…but it might make a good negatively geared property []
Keep going… Dave and I have agreed to purchase multiple +ve cashflow houses since the seminar.
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Thanks for your post and welcome to the community!
It might seem like a small question, but it requires a 2-day seminar to provide you with a proper answer.
Might I suggest that the place to start is not “what to buy?”, but rather “what profit outcome do I hope to achieve?”
Furthermore, think through the issue and ascertain when you hope to be financially free from the need to work and then consider whether property can help you achieve this goal.
Your profit outcome choices are either capital gains and/or positive cashflow. Your choice will then determine what kind of property you need to focus on.
As for areas, well, as recent APIM graduates know… good deals exist in all areas when you know what to look for, which is solving the problems of vendor’s and tenants.
Good luck and keep posting!
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At this point in time this post actually conflicts with the rules of the forum re: advertising.
I understand that you are seeking/offering to be a money partner, but given the issues with ASIC prospectus requirements, the Internet (ie. public offer) this is not the best place to make your post.
When the site is rereleased I hope to have this issue better sorted out.
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A common trick is to try and sell overpriced property to off-shore investors who don’t know he market.
For you, used to London prices and with a favourable pound:dollar exchange rate, the prices might seem cheap.
However, that is not to suggest that you will be paying too much for the property!
I wonder, who do you think is paying for the seminar, flights to London etc? It will be the overseas buyer.
If you decide to go ahead, then I would suggest that you have an Austrlian do the negotiating for you here in Oz. Perhaps consider using an independent buyer’s advocate to act on your behalf.
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