While not try and articulate a productive answer rather hint at something fishy going on…???…
Still, to give you some idea of the progress, at last count the group had bought $6m+ of real estate in four months. That figure is rising all the time…
From memory, the 12 months started at the beginning of August 2003.
As I have said to the odd critic, before making a judgement call let’s wait for the results to come in.
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You make a good and valid point. Yet, for the professional investor, if s/he had to be forced into saving then there would be little chance of long-term success.
I have met plently of people who have had major money problems… and almost all have had a spending problem rather than an earning problem. This is why the first major chapter of the book is devoted to money habits/management.
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Despite what many people think, I’m not against the idea of negative gearing… I just think that it’s a strategy that only works when the market is rising.
Karen, in your case the lesson to learn here is that you went into the property without your investing eyes wide open, and seemingly without and structured plan.
As such, your investment is largely out of your control as you need to rely on the market to continue to rise, which can be very frustrating.
Using your figures, $240 * 18 months = $4320, yet your property is only worth +10,000 more than what you paid (nett) – and your sales price is before selling costs.
Only you can decide whether to sell or not, but your decision needs to be planned rather than a knee-jerk response.
What I’d do is set a benchmark return I want to get, and if, after a few months, this cannot be achieved and does not look likely, then it might be time to cut your losses and start again.
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You can debate the morals, but what you don’t seem to see is that the majority of the forum here don’t agree with your take on things, and when they do try to engage you in making their point known, you start hurling abuse which needs to be moderated.
So, as I see it, you have added little to the discussion of late other than name calling and criticism that is anthing but constructive.
Please, if you can’t find something to advance the discussion then refrain from posting.
The art to winning people over to your cause is not to hit them with a sledgehammer.
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The MAP is a private mentoring group that I’m running. It is not open to new people and I’m not replacing those that opt out. I doubt that I’ll run it again as it was a pilot program.
I’ll write more about this in the upcoming months.
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My problem is that I am looking for a lender that will provide a lvr of 80% and not the usual 70% for a commercial loan.
Any ideas as to where I might locate lenders or brokers that are specialists or flexible in this area regarding an 80%LVR for a commercial loan.
Hmmm – hard, but not entirely impossible. FYI all my commercial loans have been at 70%LVR, but I know people who have secured 80%.
I suggest trying one/several mortgage brokers and seeing what they can find.
Just a ‘heads-up’ it’s likely that the term will be a max of 10 years, so you’ll probably need to go interest only to achieve a +ve cashflow outcome. This being the case, be sure to allocate some of your cashflow profit to debt reduction, just keep it accumulated in an offset or other account.
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The reason why I put getting finance after signing a contract is, in my experience, the practice of almost all lenders.
They require a physical property, or more accurately a signed contract to purchase, before they can issue (final) approval for finance.
Pre-approvals are always subject to conditions, which basically says that final approval will depend on the specifics of the property being purchased (e.g. independent valuation, validation of income etc.)
Furthermore, I’ve heard of people obtaining pre-approval but later having the application rejected, so IMHO it’s better to have a signed contract with a subject to finance clause in your hand when you go shopping for a loan.
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Very perceptive insights… my relationships with Dave and Julie are cornerstones to my success. Rencently I wrote somewhere that your spouse needs to be your #1 fan, not your #1 critic.
Yeah, more business relationships fail than succeed, I believe having common goals and being accountable is very, very important.
Re: too much emphasis on the evils of neg gearing… perhaps, but to explain how a concept works you need to attack its weak points. Too many people don’t understand, which is why I went into in in a lot of detail. Besides, it is a major point of differentiation between me and other property educators.
Re: vacancies, at the time of prelim analysis I allow for 4 weeks unless there are mitigating factors, in which case that base figure goes up or down.
Re: my emphasis… I’ll buy anything that makes money from day one []
Great to hear from you and hope to read more of your posts in the near future.
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P&I loans are calculated based on the annuity formula where PAYMENT is a variable of PRESENT VALUE (principal or loan balance), INTEREST (per compunding period) and TIME.
Excel does this with the PMT function.
Hope this helps.
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Thanks for your post and I hope you are enjoying the book. Nice to know I was under an Xmas tree []
Welcome to the community and thanks for posting. I moved your post to the PropertyPlus area as that is a better spot for it.
I’ve read your situation with interest. Once I went to the bank for finance and they said that they would lend me $X provided I had the equivalent in cash in a savings account.
How much interest will you give me on my deposit… 4% How much interest do I pay on my loan…8% Er, why would I have this arrangement?
I think the same holds true for you. You might find that these days you can find a good cash mngt account that offers higher interest as term deposits are becoming a thing of the past as the financial market matures.
Now, the first thing we need to do is differentiate b/w your home and your IP. One is lifestyle the other is investing.
In terms of your IP, by paying cash you have no leverage which makes your CoCR very low. Still, at least you’ll have +ve cashflow as you have no interest. Nevertheless, your money can work harder for you than what is presently the case.
Some suggestions:
*Take a mortgage against your existing property and then place a large slab of your TD as a 100% mortgage interest account. It will be at call and will allow you to expand similar to a LOC without the need for cash security.
*Once you borrow against your IP and use the cash for elsewhere your property will become -vely geared. As such your property will become a growth asset which means you’ll need to consider your investing strategy moving forwartd. Decide on this b4 you buy anything else and also set your benchmark rate of return against which you can evaluate various investments.
You’re in a good position, but the key will be to maximise your returns from hereonin.
Well, that’s my 2c worth.
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A couple of points to note (albeit perhaps at the complicated end of the discussion):
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See with a Family Trust, you can only have +ve cashflow assets, were as hybrid you are able to have -ve geared and +ve geared properties that run at a lost or profit.
Well, you can do the same in a family trust too. Indeed, the issue of trust loss provisions is very complicated, but the same essence is true… you cannot distribute a loss from a trust, instead it is accumulated and carried forward.
In the case of a family trust, an income loss (as opposed to a cap loss) would offset the income and the nett profit distributed or the nett loss accumulated and c/f.
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Hybrid trust has both similaritites of unit trust and family trust, there are more tax advantages as well.
Hmmmm – I don’t think this is correct… what are the additional tax advantages?
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With Hybrid trust you have more flexibility in sacking and appointing a new trustee.
Perhaps, but I’ve never seen this advertised as a benefit before. In truth, the trustee appointment / removal provision of most trusts are the same as the wording is similar.
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Hybrid trust also gives you the flexibility to distribute different amounts to the beneficearies.
This is possibly ture, but it depends on the circumstances of the structure. The same effect can be gained from a family turst where the Trustee distributes according to a formula (ie %) rather than $.
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Theres lots of things, but has more advantages than Family Trust.
Hmmmm. I don’t necessarily agree. I haven’t ever used a hybrid trust and I don’t think I’m the poorer for it.
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A big disadvantage, is that many accountants dont understand Hybrid Trust
This may be true, but most qualified accountants – and certainly all tax professionals would know the hybrid trust drill.
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Other thing too. Trustes dont pay tax
Mate – this is wrong. Trusts DO pay tax on any undistributed profits, and the Trustee pays it (on behalf of the trust) at the top magringal rate (48.5%) from dollar one.
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Well, call me a cynic, but let’s say that you have a property with a maket value of $1m.
I come to you and say “Here’s what I’ll do… I’ll pay you $10 for the right to buy the property for $1.5m, open for the next six months.”
What would you probably say to a boffin wanting to pay 150% of market value? Yep – done!
Then what I do is run a seminar and sell the property I’ve secured the right to buy for $10 on the basis that it will be 5 new A-Grade apartments.
My budget profit, even after paying the inflated price, is substantial – provided I can find the people to buy from me after value-adding. When demand drops what do I do, maybe run some more seminars…???…
The bottom line – I have tied up $1.5m worth of property (after all, if I paid that for it it must be worth at least that) for just $10.
If I can’t sell the concept then all I lose is $10.
Starting to get the picture?
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