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Hi B.C.,
Thanks for your feedback and I’m delighted that you’re enjoying the book thus far [biggrin].
In respect to depreciation… I see it as a kind of (but not exactly the same as an) ‘interest free’ loan.
Put another way, it’s like gravy on top in that it’s great to have but the meat (or tofu for us vegies) and potatoes of the investment is fine without it too.
Specifically then, I crunch my numbers when doing my due diligence without relying on depreciation to ensure the property is +ve cashflow in its own right, and then later, if depreciation is claimable, I take advantage under the knowledge that it is a timing rather than permanent tax benefit.
I have heard that some people don’t claim depreciation despite being entitled to it (so they don’t have to repay it later). This seems a little silly to me as I’d rather have the dollar now to invest with, earn a return and then repay the principal later than the option of going without.
Hope this helps… pls make a post when you’ve finished the book and tell me how you think it finishes up.
Cheers,
Steve McKnight
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Hi,
On the topic of valuations…
At one point Dave and I had purchased about six houses in close proximity of each other.
When we bought another one we asked the financier for a copy of how the valuation report, which just happened to list, under the heading of recent sales, the six other properties we’d just bought!
Overall, it’s wise to remember that a valuation report is just someone’s best guess, and that ultimately it is the market who decides what a house is worth. That’s why it’s wise to pay attention to market forces that impact sentiment as well as general affordability.
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Steve McKnight
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Hi Sonja,
What I would do is look at the people speaking and see what it was that they could offer to help you achieve your investment goals. Break up your points into short-term (0 – 6 months), medium term (1-2 years) and long-term.
Furthermore, while you may need to acess equity in the short-term, provided you take action to recoup the cost then it’s more of an investment in its own right than it is an expense.
For example, the cost is $2,198, so, assuming your existing investment yields 8%, then you would need to increase rents by just $3.38 per week to increase your equity by $2,198 (i.e. [[$3.38 * 52] / .08]).
In the end though it’s (obviously) a decision as to the cost vs. benefit for you in your circumstance.
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Steve McKnight
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Hi,
The message I believe Peter is trying to give, and it is one that I agree with, is to make good use of r/e equity to maximise profitability.
It’s the principle of ‘velocity of money’, in that you want to increase the compounding effect of your returns to maximise wealth creation.
In your example, provided your COCR is more than the cost of finance then you will be better off as you essentialy get ‘money for nothing’ as far as a cost of funds perspective goes.
Of course, there is always the risk of financial loss. Specifically, in respect to listed property trusts, just make sure that the returns are not annualised or averaged across 5 or 10 years. Like everything, you need to live through the bad years to profit from the good ones.
A point you don’t seem to have considered in your scenario analysis is the effort to payback ratio. For example, the listed property trust option is a lot less effort than a subdivision, although each have different risks.
Ultimately, you need to make your own investment decision for your situation that reflects your skill and risk profile.
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Steve McKnight
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Hi,
Sorry mate… not sure where you are coming from.
What I would say is that there are two reasons primary reasons to sell:
1. You think you can get better returns elsewhere; and
2. You feel the value of your property will fall and thus decide holding cash is a better option.
As such, the tax implications are incidential to the investment decision rather than the other way around. That’s not to say they should be ignored… no, no, no. They sure need to be quantified (that’s why God gave us tax accountants), but just keep everything in its proper perspective.
Cheers,
Steve McKnight
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Hi,
I try to read my bible regularly, and a passage I came across today was:
Whoever loves money has money enough;
whoever loves wealth is never satisfied with his income.
This too is meaningless.
– Ecc 5:10I don’t profess to be in the same ‘wealth tier’ as Peter, however from my perspective, and increasingly more so, I sense the extra burden of being financially well off.
Perhaps surprisingly, I only reached this insight recently and after I have enjoyed some degree of success.
From a personal perspective, and being a Christian, I believe there is enough scripture to emphasise the importance of using the wealth one is blessed with an eternal perspective in mind.
It’s no sin to be wealthy, but the use of that wealth can be dangerous to the soul. Some insight can be found in many places in Matthew. A passage I try to follwo is Tim 6:17
One final thing that one of the Mappers said to me which I really like
seek not what the master has, but what the master knowsJust adding my 2 cents about my personal situation.
Cheers,
Steve McKnight
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Hi,
Checked with Australia Post today… despite records saying the stock had been sent, they discovered an internal glitch which has since been resolved and the books sent out.
In summary then, you should have your order early next week!
As for the time it took… four months for book #2 and about 5 months for book #1. That’s pretty much full time though, and the edit process takes almost as long as it does to come up with the first manuscript.
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Steve McKnight
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Hi,
Thanks for your comments about the book and I’m pleased you are liking it so far.
You are right about comfort zones – but don’t think I am immune from the lapsing of drive from time to time.
Still, what I find keeps me going is outlined in the upcoming chapters, namely a passion and a purpose.
Practically though, having Dave around to keep me accountable is very useful from a business sense, and Julie keeps me aware of when my work:home balance is out of wack.
Overall though, I think Tiffany (one of the Mappers) said it best with the following comment…
Do you want it, or do you really want it?Let me know your thoughts as you keep reading though [biggrin]
Cheers,
Steve McKnight
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Hi,
I checked bookstores on the weekend but it wasn’t there either… it must be in transit. I was told the release date was 1/10/04 – it was news to me though.
You can order a copy from the site as we have stock in the warehouse that should be available for immediate shipment.
Either way, the book will be out in stores very soon.
Bye,
Steve McKnight
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Hi,
While I’m no legal expert… solicitors for all parties would meet in a room and shuffle paper.
I’d imagine that your purchase is settled first (i.e. necessary docs executed), and then once this happens then the legals over your sale are handled.
Really though, it’s just a matter of due process that is all handled by your legal eagle(s).
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Steve McKnight
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Hi,
Hmmm – a simple question with a complicated answer. While a full outline of the suggested tax treatment of a wrap is outlined in The Wrap Kit, here’s a quick summary…
1. It is the contract price margin that is taxed rather than the deposit as such.
2. The contract price margin is then taxed on the basis that your bring the income to account. For example, if you make $20,000 contract price margin then perhaps you may choose to bring to account $1,000 per annum (plus interest).
In this way the deposit becomes part return of capital and part profit, but it is all tied up in the contract price margin brought to account.
As I said… this is a little complex which is why there is a whole section in The Wrap Kit.
Hope it has helped rather than confused. [blink]
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Steve McKnight
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Hi Brenda,
Great achievements don’t come by accident. Well done on your vision and follow through!
Next, if you so choose, it will be time to transform the act of investing into the business of investing and this comes from further leveraging time and money.
Congrats.
Steve McKnight
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Hi,
I’d gladly pay $5k for a property with positive cashflow meeting my requirements.
I guess value is in the eyes of the beholding investor!
Due your research but expect to pay if you don’t have the time to find deals for yourself.
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Steve McKnight
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Hi,
Interesting plan, but remember that stamp duty and other costs (such as legals etc.) may cancel out some of your projected gains. As such, be sure to do your sums carefully.
Furthermore, it would be wise to include the -ve cashflow (if any) associated with you living in the property for six months when weighing up the cost:benefit. My gut feeling is that the savings will be negligable overall on a net basis.
Re: what Simon says… I imagine you will only have one name on title per property and a gentlemen’s agreement of some sort. I’m not sure this is the best way to begin a sustainable business relationship.
Finally, there are some moral issues about whether what you are doing is in the spirit of the legislation. In short – yes, you may be able to make money, but at what cost to your integrity? You may find there are better ways to make more money for less effort.
Oh – here’s the link about Vic stamp duty exemptions.
Cheers,
Steve McKnight
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Hey Kay,
1 sec solution – lol [happy]
I think Bigboof’s question is a little different… it’s how to you figure out the rent base if it is not currently rented.
Anyway, I suggest look at what similar properties go for in the local paper.
In particular, watch out for agent’s assessments based on ‘likely rent’, as these, in my experience, have a habit of being on the generous side of the ledger.
Another idea is to find out what the property previously rented for (if applicable) and then base it on that.
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Steve McKnight
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Hi,
Just back after some extended time away writing book #2.
1. Is RG Allen a man to be trusted or is Neil Jenman right?Trusted… hmmm… trust needs to be earned on a person by person basis. Still, in my case, I’d say it has been as his Bob Allen’s investing strategies have made me a lot of money. His marketing techniques may seem strange to Australians, but that is because he applied a US based approach to our market only to find that it didn’t work as expected.
I thought much of what was written about him came from ignorance in an attempt to gain publicity rather than objective analysis.
2. In 1999, did you learn the techniques that you implemented from RG Allen’s books?Some – but the biggest leanring for me came from looking at the business side to investing rather than treating it as a gathering of random assets. To understand this you need to draw a distinction b/w an investing business and the business of investing. Having an investing business means automated as much as possible, and Bob Allen’s info helped me to understand and then profit from his information.
In respect to his r/e stuff, many of his books contain good ideas which I’ve absorbed or tailored into my own approach with good results.
Overall – credit where credit is due.
Bye,
Steve McKnight
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Hi,
Terry Ryder has a new book out about selling property without agents. Check it out next time you’re in a bookstore.
Bye,
Steve McKnight
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Hi,
Hmmm – sometimes I feel that the forum goes haywire and that’s when I retreat for a while. Then I regain enthusiasm and return full of beans.
The moderators do an exceptional job and I am in their debt for their time and willingness. Sure – things could always be better, but in this case the harvest is plentiful but the labourers are few.
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Steve McKnight
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Hi Luke,
The issue comes from real estate agent laws that impose regulations on selling property that you don’t own. It’s a grey area and one that needs further attention as part of the legal due diligence of the strategy you are adopting.
For example – Vic law (see: useful national r/e laws link)
ESTATE AGENTS ACT 1980 – SECT 12 PART III LICENCESEstate agents to be licensed
12. Estate agents to be licensed
(1) Subject to this Act an individual shall not either by himself or as a member of a partnership-
(a) exercise or carry on or advertise notify or state that he exercises or carries on or is willing to exercise or carry on the business of an estate agent; or
(b) act as an estate agent; or
(c) in any way hold himself out to the public as ready to undertake for payment or other remuneration (whether monetary or otherwise) any of the functions of an estate agent-
unless he is a licensed estate agent. Penalty: 500 penalty units or imprisonment for 12 months.
It is this last one that is quite a catch all when you consider the definition of ‘estate agent’ is:
“estate agent” or “agent” means any person (whether or not he carries on any other business) who exercises or carries on or advertises or notifies or states that he exercises or carries on or that he is willing to exercise or carry on or in any way holds himself out to the public as ready to undertake the business of-(a) selling buying exchanging letting or taking on lease of or otherwise dealing with or disposing of;
(b) negotiating for the sale purchase exchange letting or taking on lease of or any other dealing with or disposition of;
(c) collecting rents for-
* * * * * any real estate or business on behalf of any other person;
It’s the words ‘for any other person’ that again need further analysis.
Under a flip it seems okay as you own the property (albeit for a second), however under a flick where you receive a commission for the deal without ownership then it seems a different story.
So… hopefully you see the need and importance of legal advice!!!
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Steve McKnight
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Hi,
Credit where credit is due… Kiyosaki’s book turned the lights on for me and although simplistic in places – it’s that easy to read or perhaps commonsense tone that makes the book stand out.
These days it’s about $20 or so bucks, and at that price it would be very hard to go wrong!
Finally, you can read a large discussion about books by clicking this link.
Regards,
Steve McKnight
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