Okay… I’m not sure why, but there does seem to be some confusion. I thought Del answered the question okay which is why all I did was point out that the answer (i.e. property) was also in the title.
Anyway… so as we are all on the right page, and to clear up any confusion, let’s start again…
Joseph,
Thanks for your question.
The title of the new book, which includes the words ‘in property’, indicates that the value is indeed the property value at the end of the MAP, rather than the loan value, or any other value. Having said that, the ‘cost’ of each Mappers property portfolio is included in the book so readers can judge performance.
This is consistent with information in the online shop that details the book where it is written(emphasis added):
The title for this book is derived from the Millionaire Apprentice Program (‘MAP’) – a private mentoring project author Steve McKnight ran for a small group of investors which began in August 2003 and finished a year later.
Coming from a diverse background with varying degrees of experience, the MAP participants (‘MAPPERS’) were put through an intensive training regimen with the goal of acquiring a (gross) million dollar property portfolio in 12 months. Not just any property would do though – it had to be purchased according to a plan for it to make money immediately.
So, apologies if my first answer didn’t seem comprehensive, but I thought a it was a straightforward question and a straightforward answer.
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You are correct that the gross would be higher than the net.
Nevertheless, gross was chosen as a more accurate basis for comparison given that using net would have meant employing more budgets for forward estimates.
As mentioned at the book launch, my estimation of net cashflow would be somewhere b/w $450k and $550k per annum. Such a figure was never measured though.
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Let’s be careful that the discussion does not go ‘off topic’, and that we stick to investment rather than political statements (however relevant they may seem).
The point I was trying to make is that while the effect can be debated, the uncertainty of higher oil prices and the instability of long-term trade deficits represents a significant shift in market conditions.
This reaction will lead to another action, and should this ultimately result in a momentum shift, then the consequences for those who failed to at least consider (and hopefully prepare) for a downturn will be more dramatic than those who did.
It’s better to plan for such things (just in case) than to be caught unawares.
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Thanks for your feedback and I’m delighted you enjoyed the book.
A couple of points:
1. The cashflow figures are ‘gross’, meaning before expenses such as those you listed.
2. The cashflow is only from property remaining at the end of the MAP. Cashflow (i.e. non-cap gains) from deals bought and sold in the 12 months were excluded.
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My point about financial burden is more of an accountability to do the most with it that I can rather than squander it.
Good passages (Matthew 6:19-24):
19″Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy, and where thieves break in and steal. 20But store up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where moth and rust do not destroy, and where thieves do not break in and steal. 21For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.
22″The eye is the lamp of the body. If your eyes are good, your whole body will be full of light. 23But if your eyes are bad, your whole body will be full of darkness. If then the light within you is darkness, how great is that darkness!
24″No one can serve two masters. Either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and Money.
The burden I talk of is to remain wealthy and humble before God, at the same time as being accountable for the blessings he has provided (i.e. parable of the talents).
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Steve McKnight
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Pleased you enjoyed the book and thanks for your post.
Re: the 2.25% figure used.. it’s just a reference point as such, taking into account the overall fee and dividing it by the total sales price. Naturally, some commissions will be higher and lower.
Perhaps just remember that commissions are negotiable [wink4]
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Thanks for your feedback and I’m delighted that you’re enjoying the book thus far [biggrin].
In respect to depreciation… I see it as a kind of (but not exactly the same as an) ‘interest free’ loan.
Put another way, it’s like gravy on top in that it’s great to have but the meat (or tofu for us vegies) and potatoes of the investment is fine without it too.
Specifically then, I crunch my numbers when doing my due diligence without relying on depreciation to ensure the property is +ve cashflow in its own right, and then later, if depreciation is claimable, I take advantage under the knowledge that it is a timing rather than permanent tax benefit.
I have heard that some people don’t claim depreciation despite being entitled to it (so they don’t have to repay it later). This seems a little silly to me as I’d rather have the dollar now to invest with, earn a return and then repay the principal later than the option of going without.
Hope this helps… pls make a post when you’ve finished the book and tell me how you think it finishes up.
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At one point Dave and I had purchased about six houses in close proximity of each other.
When we bought another one we asked the financier for a copy of how the valuation report, which just happened to list, under the heading of recent sales, the six other properties we’d just bought!
Overall, it’s wise to remember that a valuation report is just someone’s best guess, and that ultimately it is the market who decides what a house is worth. That’s why it’s wise to pay attention to market forces that impact sentiment as well as general affordability.
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What I would do is look at the people speaking and see what it was that they could offer to help you achieve your investment goals. Break up your points into short-term (0 – 6 months), medium term (1-2 years) and long-term.
Furthermore, while you may need to acess equity in the short-term, provided you take action to recoup the cost then it’s more of an investment in its own right than it is an expense.
For example, the cost is $2,198, so, assuming your existing investment yields 8%, then you would need to increase rents by just $3.38 per week to increase your equity by $2,198 (i.e. [[$3.38 * 52] / .08]).
In the end though it’s (obviously) a decision as to the cost vs. benefit for you in your circumstance.
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The message I believe Peter is trying to give, and it is one that I agree with, is to make good use of r/e equity to maximise profitability.
It’s the principle of ‘velocity of money’, in that you want to increase the compounding effect of your returns to maximise wealth creation.
In your example, provided your COCR is more than the cost of finance then you will be better off as you essentialy get ‘money for nothing’ as far as a cost of funds perspective goes.
Of course, there is always the risk of financial loss. Specifically, in respect to listed property trusts, just make sure that the returns are not annualised or averaged across 5 or 10 years. Like everything, you need to live through the bad years to profit from the good ones.
A point you don’t seem to have considered in your scenario analysis is the effort to payback ratio. For example, the listed property trust option is a lot less effort than a subdivision, although each have different risks.
Ultimately, you need to make your own investment decision for your situation that reflects your skill and risk profile.
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What I would say is that there are two reasons primary reasons to sell:
1. You think you can get better returns elsewhere; and
2. You feel the value of your property will fall and thus decide holding cash is a better option.
As such, the tax implications are incidential to the investment decision rather than the other way around. That’s not to say they should be ignored… no, no, no. They sure need to be quantified (that’s why God gave us tax accountants), but just keep everything in its proper perspective.
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Steve McKnight
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