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  • Profile photo of Steve McKnightSteve McKnight
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    Hi,

    It needs a slight rewrite, but negative gearing is explained at:

    https://www.propertyinvesting.com/strategies/negativegearing

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    Hi,

    ROI is popular among accountants, but I feel it is less useful for property as it does not fully price in borrowing capacity.

    For example, let's look at this example:

    Purchase price $200k
    Cash deposit: 20%
    Closing costs: $5% of purchase price; paid in cash
    Annual rent: $12,000
    Annual cash costs: $15,200 (includes $2,000 of capital loan repayments)
    Depreciation: $1,500

    The ROI would be:

    Rent: $12,000
    – Cash costs: $15,200
    + Capital loan pmts: $2,000
    – Depreciation: $1,500
    = Loss: $2,700

    Cost: $200,000
    + Closing costs: $10,000
    =Total cost: $210,000

    ROI= -2,700 / 210,000
    ROI = -1.29%

    However, a cash-on-cash return would be:

    Rent: 12,000
    – Cash costs: $15,200
    = Cash loss: $3,200

    Deposit Paid: $40,000
    + Closing costs: $10,000
    = Cash Down: $50,000

    CoCR= -3,200 / 50,000
    CoCR= -6.4%

    Do you see how ROI uses asset value (not taking into account % of cost borrowed), whereas CoCR does factor in the amount of cash contributed?

    Having said that, if you contribute low cash then the CoCR can be skewed.

    As I said, I prefer CoCR for property deals, particularly positive cashflow calcs.

    If you have trouble crunching numbers then get along to the upcoming conference. There will be plenty of help on offer.

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    Profile photo of Steve McKnightSteve McKnight
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    Hi,

    I've heard Daiken is a reliable brand.

    I don't think you have to provide air conditioning. I would be going back to the tenant and asking them to choose and then increasing the rent by an agreed amount to compensate.

    Remember the rental multiplier effect. For instance, let's say that you negotiate for the rent to increase by $10 per week. This is unlikely to cover the cost of the unit, however, the additional rent may increase your property by a large amount.

    For example, if the market yield on your property was 7%, then the additional value created by a $10 per week increase in rent would be:

    ($10 * 52) / .07
    = $7,428

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    Profile photo of Steve McKnightSteve McKnight
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    Hi,

    The cash-on-cash return formula is as follows:

    (cash received – cash paid) / cash down

    where:

    cash received: rental and other income
    cash paid: all cash costs, including capital loan repayments and excluding depreciation
    cash down: deposit paid + purchase costs + finance costs etc + initial repairs

    A quick example for you to try:

    $200,000 property bought with a 20% cash deposit.
    Allow 5% for closing costs (paid cash)
    Annual rent is $15,150.
    Rental Management 7% of rent collected
    Rates: $1,500
    Interest: 8.5% interest only
    Other cash costs: $2,500 per annum
    Depreciation: $3,100 per annum

    Based on the above, what would be the cash-on-cash return?

    Also, if ROI is net profit / asset value, what would be the ROI based on above?

    Cheers,

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    Hi,

    I'm struggling at the moment on a personal level. My wife is quite ill and in hospital, and I have needed to drop everything to look after the children (and mother-in-law). I have very limited time and am trying to help with what little time I have.

    The best I can do is to write a lengthy answer to this question and offer it in a future newsletter or free report.

    It's not 'no soup for you', it's 'no soup at the moment.'

    Regards,

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    Profile photo of Steve McKnightSteve McKnight
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    **Sigh**

    What spend time answering posts where people show no respect and demand action?  Yeah, that's how I'll pick posts to reply to!

    There's no point convincing people that things can and are done, when they already believe that it can't.

    The simple fact of the matter is that I never borrowed more than 80% of the purchase price.
     
    How? Well I didn't refinance equity. And I didn't use unethical methods to obtain finance.

    However I did:

    * Sell property to convert unrealised to realised profits, and reinvest the difference
    * Use a standard accounting structure to protect my assets
    * Fully disclose all details to financiers

    Enough said.

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    Hi again,

    You might be interested to know that when I first started investing (5/99) I was much in the same boat as you are.

    I had attended a seminar (in Sydney), heard about +ve cashflow properties, and then came back to Melbourne and started looking as hard as I could. I spent days looking, and there was no realestate.com.au I rang stacks of agents, pounded streets etc; and I couldn't find a single one in metro Melb.

    I was close to giving up and thinking that you couldn't find these deals, and then I thought I would try Ballarat. Afterall, there was little to lose other than a day or two of pay.

    Even up there, I looked through many houses before I finally came across one that would be +ve cashflow, and that was a good house in a bad area.

    My point is that +ve cashflow property was never easy to find, but by looking in different areas and in different ways, a profit making opportunity emerged.

    And hence, with the market changing, Ballarat property has gone up, so the area I once bought +ve cashflow deals no longer gives the same opportunity. Do we give up?  No. We change and adapt.

    For instance, I recently purchased a +ve cashflow commercial property (that met the old 11 sec solution formula). At the moment I am looking at an unusual deal – big bucks ($1.5m+ purchase price), but something that you could chop up and maybe make a quick $500k.  This may sound high risk, but when you know how to analyse a deal from the inside-out, it is really quite straightforward.

    So, to answer your question of 'where do I look', the best answer I can offer is to think about something that you want to make your niche and then look for deals that fit that criteria. Some go for renos, others subdivisions, others development, others buy and hold etc.

    As for the property market, economics is important as it provides a model to understand behaviour, but people are random and all to often economics is used to justify what happened rather than to predict true value in advance. There is no logic to why some pockets of Melbourne rose 75% last year, and others were flat. Except of course, fear and greed driving prices up.

    Not sure that will get you an A+ on your economics paper, but it is reality.

    All the best,

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    Profile photo of Steve McKnightSteve McKnight
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    Hi,

    I don't think I'm talking complete crap, as the book is based on my real life examples.

    However, as you are studying the latest info and world trends, I'd love to hear your thoughts on how you think "studying perfect equilibrium and arbritrage etc etc" relates to the property market.

    And while I agree that the property boom of 2000 – 2003 caused the 11 Second Solution Formula to become more difficult to apply, I don't agree that Book 1 is totally out of date. I continue to buy positive cashflow properties and invest in the same way as described in the book. Having said that, perhaps it is time for an update.

    Bear in mind though, I also released the sequel in 2006 which was designed to answer your questions. There is a chapter in that book on how to find positive cashflow properties.

    Finally, positive cashflow after depreciation is not what I call positive cashflow; it is positive gearing. Perhaps this is a finer point, but the assumption is that you have other income to soak up the depreciation tax shield. If you don't then the property will be negative cashflow as the depreciation created loss must be carried forward.

    Margaret's books are well written and a good source of info on the topic of positive gearing.

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    Hi Kurt,

    Happy New Year to you and your family!

    Welcome to the forum, and all the best with your investing.

    Cheers,

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    Hi guys,

    We are out of stock, and I am in the process of rewriting it as I type. There have been quite a few changes to tax laws of late, least of which are the new tax rates.

    This has had an impact on investors, although many remain unaware.

    For example, the changes to marginal tax thresholds have made negative gearing less tax effective.  For instance, if you made a $1,000 loss and could get a deduction at 48.5%, then your tax 'benefit' was $485. Assuming that you now are on a 30% average tax rate (due to the thresholds increasing), then your tax 'benefit' is now only $300.

    This is just one of the many things I need to update Wealth Guardian for.

    The product is due to be re-released, bigger and better, in late March.

    Hope this has helped shed some light on the matter.

    Happy New Year!

    All the best,

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    Hi Micman,

    By management rights, do you mean management rights to a leasehold property?

    For instance, management rights to run a motel, caravan park, etc? Or perhaps franchise rights?

    If so, then some tips I would give you include:

    1. Remember you are buying an income stream, rather than a physical asset. The value in the business that you are creating can only be realised through business profits (while you own), or on the basis that you can find someone to sell the rights to. Some people build the business, can't sell it, and become either trapped in the business, or else walk away.

    2. Therefore, make sure you have a clearly identified exit plan for how you will get out.

    3. Remember that leasehold improvements generally stay with the property unless otherwise specified.

    4. Get good legal advice on the management rights paperwork, as no doubt there are 10,001 unknows that can quickly add stress.

    If you can provide more info on exactly what you are talking about, I may be able to help further.

    All the best,

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    Hi GladysWeber,

    Welcome to the forum.

    "Have I found a good deal?" is a question that every property investor ought to ask! Sadly, many take the advice about what other people think is a good deal, and wind up with a lemon. I wonder how many people are sitting on a marginal deal while stories of fortunes being made happen around them.

    To answer your questions:

    1. A deal is a good one if it makes your required identified profit within your assessed risk parameters.
     
    The four key questions to ask and calculate are: how much money down; how much money back; how much time until you get paid; how much risk. It's important to protect against greed. Be happy to make your profit within your time frame rather than looking to strike gold and become rich over night!

    2. As for people whom you can contact… your accountant would be a good place to start. S/he can check your numbers and help you to identify key assumptions. Mortgage brokers and bankers are also a good resource, as they will help you assess the deal from a lending perspective. A solicitor will help you with legal uncertainties. The local council will assist with planning issues (and if not them then a town planner).  You would be very wise to get a building and pest inspection orgainsed. Finally, if you find an agent from a rival firm that you trust, ask him/her what you should look out for in the deal.

    3. If your research leads you to believe you have found a great deal, then you will want to make an offer. The agent selling the property will be able to help you with what to do next, but as you seem to be starting out, don't sign or do anything without being guided by a solicitor or legal adviser first.

    4. After you have signed a contract to purchase the property, you will need to leave a deposit (usually 10%, but less is best if you can negotiate it). Your solicitor will then help you with the legal paperwork (conveyancing) during the settlement period. You will need to organise or confirm any loan you may need so that the proceeds are available on the day of settlement.

    Finally, if you are keen to take your investing to a higher level, and feel like getting personal mentoring from an experienced property coach (who can help you assess the deals you find) would help, check out: http://www.propertyinvesting.com/results

    Cheers,

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    Interesting post.

    As an accountant, and an ex-auditor, I've seen first hand enough fortunes sunk to never want to own assets in my own name.
     
    There is no perfect structure, but some options are better than others. Individuals pay the highest tax, partnerships are dangerous from a unlimited liability viewpoint, trusts are complicated, companies don't get access to the CGT discount, super funds can't borrow (well, that's now open to debate). That's why education and advice are critical, because there will be pros and cons to any decision you make.

    In my case, I use a company to do my developing work and my buy and holds are in a family trust. This is the best mix of asset protection and tax advantages in my case.

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    Hi and thanks for your post.

    Certainly, there have been people who have participated in RESULTS who live in remote areas. For them, the distance is another factor they have to overcome in order to achieve success.

    I would say that joining the mentoring program won't solve your identified problems, in fact, with more education you may be more frustrated by the limitations you have described.

    My encouragement would be to get you to think through why you would like to be mentored, and how serious you are about making some big life changes to achieve your wealth creation goals sooner. Should you decide to take massive action, I think RESULTS would be a great support and guiding tool for you, as the program best benefits those who take constant action.

    If you'd like to talk about this over the phone, by all means call Simon Buckingham (head coach) in the office on 03 8892 3800 during business hours (after 7/1/08).

    All the best,

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    Hi,

    Thanks for your comments about the book, I'm glad you liked it. And welcome to the forum.

    It's always tricky to pinpoint the time, as much of the analysis is subjective.

    However, I think we have now come off the massive high in Melbourne's east, and we will now go into a period of general market gains (5% to 10% per annum). I'm not as sure in Brisbane.  Personally, I like Sydney best as the next big growth area as it has been repressed for some years now.

    Cheers,

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    Hi,

    Thanks for your post, and thanks Richard for the answer given.

    Another option would be to buy the property in your own name, and have your wife co-guarantee the loan. That way her income would be included in determining how much you can afford to borrow, but title is in your name.

    Since you are -ve gearing, there is limited use to family trusts, as losses in these entities cannot be distributed.

    Some may suggest you consider a hybrid trust, however be aware that the ATO is looking at these very closely at the moment.

    Normally, investment properties are insured for public liability and also house insurance. You may like to insure as a landlord if applicable (eg. to protect the income stream and also insure against malicious damage). The tenant normally insures the contents (since they own them).

    Cheers,

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    Hi again,

    Well done on booking your place at the conference. You're going to have a wonderful time. See you there!

    In the meantime, here's a little synopsis of property development.

    To begin with, property development is profitable two ways:

    1. Better Land Use

    While land has perceived value when being used as a backyard (i.e. lifestyle), land becomes income producing when people can use it as a home (at least when it comes to residential blocks). Therefore, when the property development consists of a land subdivision, the sum of what's created needs to be worth more than the block as a whole.

    Remember this rule and you should be starting on the right foot: the greater the potential density of the development, the more valuable the land.

    2. Value Adding via Building

    The building side of developing is much trickier, and has many pitfalls. For instance, many people get caught up in what they build rather than looking at what housing product best suits the target market for the area. To borrow a fishing analogy, you will always come home with a great catch if you find out what bait the fish are hungry for and give it to them. So too in developing, if you do the research to find out what type of housing is most popular (# bedrooms, # bathrooms, size of living rooms etc), then provided you can built it and add to your project profit, you'll be looking good.

    Remember that you must always add more in perceived value than actual cost. If you forget this, you'll be eating into your profits.

    Some of the risks of developing that people often forget include:

    A) Your costs are now but your income is between 12 and 24 months into the future. Therefore, you need deep pockets to fund the cash shortfall.

    B) Banks may lend 80% of the cost of construction, but in the majority of cases, this will be the last 80%, not 80% of ever dollar spent. For example, if your cost to build is $200,000, then you will need to come up with the first $40,000 yourself, and then bank will provide the last $160,000.

    C) Just because you think you can do it does not mean that you can. Property is sold on the basis of STCA (subject to council approval), which is a massive disclaimer! You must always do your own research, because although most things can be done or built, you will only want to proceed if you make at least your minimum profit.

    D) Selling with plans and permits and banking a profit sooner rather than later can sometimes be better than going on and building. Remembering that a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush, a smaller profit that can be banked today without the risk of building may be juicier than holding on for top dollar.

    E) Cost overruns are common. Unless you have experience, fixed price building contracts mean you may seem to pay a little more, but they are safer for new investors as the risk of overruns is borne by the builder.

    Well, that's a start for you. Have a wonderful day.

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    Keep us in the loop with what happens!

    The idea of using the inspection report to negotiate a lower price has wroked well for me. This is because you have a valid reason for asking for a lower price, rather than seeming to be greedy or opportunistic.

    All the best,

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    Hi again,

    There's no magic formula about how much to refinance. It comes down to your risk profile, affordability etc.

    Of course, whatever you buy with your refinanced capital needs to be returning more than the cost of the funds, otherwise you will be going backwards.

    The interest rates quoted were not based on a real loan product. They were just for discussion purposes.

    On the basis that you are looking to buy a home first, and then reduce your exposure to the -ve cashflow, your plan has merit. You certainly seem to have a grasp on the financials, so well done.

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    Hey Sean,

    Nice to see you online.

    If you want to start networking with fellow kiwis, try to contact those who make posts in the Overseas Deals sections.

    You may also want to build up a forum identity on richmastery.co.nz

    As for your plan, it seems like a solid start. My plan when starting was to retire by 9 May 2004 with 250k in passive income. The master plan doesn't need to be very fancy, but it will dictate how you go about your investing.

    Also, a word of caution… it doesn't matter how many IPs you own, so long as the profit helps you achieve your goal.

    Warm regards,

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