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Hi Chefman
Great to see all is well and good. Where is your pub. Is it in Vic.
regards
alfHi Yu Yu
I am amazed you got 80%LVR on a serviced apartment with the NAB.
Last i heard they were doing 60%LVR has there been a policy change or you must have or know one of the big players.
I have found that shifting NAB on policy is like pushing Ayers rock.
regards
alfHi all
Great post Monopoly now this is going to hurt but hey what can i say.
3 boxes of cigars a week=$54 x 52= 2808
take away 3 times a week=$60 x 52= 3120
Restaurant once a week =$80 * 52 4160
carton of beer a week =$35 x 52= 1820
6 bottles of wine a week=$50 x 52= 2600Gee
No facials or waxes for meenjoy
cheers[cigar]Hi Peter
I was coming to a point where i was going to stop buying property investment books as they generally say the same thing with a slight variance in some cases.
But…..
Given that i haven’t read any of your material before i decided to purchase your new book $10m and was duly impressed.
In particular the way to interrpret the median sales information and using it to base some decision on when to invest.
There are some things that i would like to say and ask and hope you are gracious enough to answer.
Do you feel that with all the wealth you have now you may lose touch with what people are trying to achieve?
The reason i ask this is i noticed you mention on page 172 of a person say 40 and buying three houses now etc. to achieve over time 10.2m in property and 4.8m in borrowings. These are big figures to the average person.
Then in other areas you say Don’t overstretch/don’t be greedy etc.
Most baby boomer people i speak to want and are looking for-
Enough to be able to retire at there present income levels
They like residential property for its low risk factor
They dont want to get down and dirty but buy and hold for future growth
Many don’t have the experience to start in a big way but want to start
They want something simple that works but realise that time is getting shorter and shorter as they wait…Risk vs timeMost are still paying there own PPOR and are questioning whether they still should.
There main concerns are
vacancy factors
interest rates
If things go wrongThese appear to be limiting factors and bring some fear to move forward given that NG is a factor with quality property..
For a person like yourself that started from nothing what would your strategy be knowing what you know and the risks involved and for a say Mid 40’s individual that wants to retire at 60 has some equity in the home. Currently earns $50000pa.
Well Peter i did really think we needed another property investment book like we need another cosmetic company but i would have to say that yours is right up there with the best if not better. I could give you the reasons but this post is a bit long already.
How does one get an invite to your parties…?
regards
AlfHi Kay
Thanks for that i am quite aware of the inner city apartment hotel motel small studio types concerns by the banks. Some LVR’s as low as 50% as was indicated in that article.
I guess where i am a bit annoyed is that the NAB PB indicated that i would remain at 80% LVR because my property can be used as private residential accomodation as it is a 3 bedroom townhouse. The only warning i was given was that because i had a lease with a short term accomodation company that it would be deemed as a serviced accomodation. The LVR would be looked at in this case.
So muggins here, when the leased finished didn’t renew as a serviced arrangement but went to private residential/employing a PM etc.
When valuations cmae up for refinance part of a loan on the IP i was told that the 70% LVR applied.
So instead of have $x equity i ended up with $y which obviously are much less. So it has stalled me at this point.
But i fully understand it in terms of the smaller hotel type stuff.
Stuart
My PB says it is NAB policy that anymore tahtn a group of three townhouses inner city are now shaved to 70%. Have you found this, is it a across the board policy or is it a case by case basis.If i wanted to say state my case who would i go to. The PB says ask me and i will see what they say. Worthwhile trying to go higher you think?
Cheers all
alfHi all
Thanks for your replies. I have found that i have been given mixed treatment at times good other times not so good.
Overall some of the PB’s have said we don’t necessarily agree with this or that policy.
As far as enquiring and setting up loans etc NAB has been ok.
Yes i have posted at times being critical of the NAB.
The reason i stay with them is because at this point it is too expensive to break away from them because of fixed rates and other costs.
So the Positives
Quick responses
Organising paperwork
Quick approvalsNegatives
Policy changes become frustrating
Will not allow uncrossing of securities
If any more IPs bought via NAB they have to be crossed with current securities.
Only reduced interest rate if i pay a application fee
Limited lending because have interest only loans
Borrowing capacity low
etcSo i have found them limiting rather than accomodating.
Once my fixed rates are done unless they change im out of there.
regards
alfHi desk top
I’ve had dealings with Quest and have dealt in this area.
If you like email me…happy to help if i can.
regards
alfHi all
Thanks for your input. Intersting to see the differing opinions and ways of looking at things.
I also think property will always go up over time. Just cast your mind back 20 years ago wouldn’t you like to have owned a few more in the boom period.
cheers
alfHi
Thanks G7 for the reply. This is a hypothetical.
At times i have seen investors say they have sold because the property hasnt performed. I guess the question is on what calculations would this be assessed.
eg capital growth little growth v outgoings
as i have indicated are all the benefits of the investment thrown into the pot do assess the actual cost and see how this weighs up against the assumed growth.
regards
alfHi Helen
Well there seems to be some good responses on this.
At the end of the day you have to be comfortable with the amount of debt you take on.
In relation to a LOC its quite sound, i am doing it and as far as my accountant is concerned it is tax deductible. The LOC is only dedicated to Investment. So whether i chose to use it as a deposit or to pick up some shortfall then it is still dedicated to investment income producing property.
So it can act as a buffer incase of an unforseeable event.You also hav tax refunds etc you can put back into the LOC etc.
It really depends on the amounts and security that is in question. If it is all at 80% LVR then it shouldnt be a problem.
According to my accountant its sound and doable with the right set up.
If you feel its too much and are uncomfortable dont do it. Forget the get out of your comfort zone arguments.
Don’t forget we are in a falling market generally speaking. Interest rates are more likely to go up than down. LOC are dearer.
regards
alfHi Helen
So i get this right if you borrow a certain amount then you have to service it.
Lets assume interest rates 7% service this loan per month $1000.
You have a LOC dedicated to investment and this picks up any shortfalls. So say interest rates went to 10% your cost for the loan now say 1200 per month. Then instead of you putting in money from your own pocket the LOC would pay the difference. So at the end of the year the LOC is say 2400 in debit.
Have i got this right.
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AlfHi Fnomna
I live in adelaide. Things have slowed a bit i feel. Where R/E agents had to just sit and sell now they have to work.
Your own observations would tell you that houses are sitting on the market longer now than previoulsy. The frenzy has gone out of the market. So some of the upstarts are being tested and resorting to other tactics.
Jenman gives good advice in his books i have some and happy to lend to you. I wouldn’t use a jenman agent again though. The first and the last time for me.
Email me if you like.
regards
alfHi
Just ask for a release of security…hmmm Well i asked the NAB and they said NO.
regards
alfHi
Where do you find the 90 day bill rate and 10 year bond rate. Are they really good sound indicators? in regards
to IR.cheers
alfHi Madinvestor
I can understand where you are coming from as i have often asked myself this question when hearing how easy it is and nice perfect situations are touted.
I would say that you have equity in your properties after this boom. This being the case i would consider a LOC with some of the equity as a buffer so any expenses over and above your norm comes form the existing equity rather than your day to day living money.
Just a thought.[headphone]
regards
alfHi Acey
Yes i agree with what you have suggested. I also would say that not everyone has the eloquence to embark on creating networks. How does a beginner start.
I ask because i recall network marketing companies that would say anybody can do it showing a housewife in rollers and a fag next to her porsche outside her coastal mansion.
Reality is alot different.
So haveing been there down that so to speak how did it start adn then to get the deals coming to you.
I have read Steve Mcknight say the same thing but with his volume of inveting i could understand. But to people just beginning? Can you give some insights.
Kind regards
AlfHi all
Thanks for your replies….
Simon sounds like the new business section is an interesting place?Bend Over for you[shades]..Sorry couldn’t help myself…lol
regards
AlfHi Brahms
Good question no i dont think i am apart from what more seasoned investors have indicated that one should have all properties stand alone for a myriad of reasons.
NAB kept saying to me the total vaue of the debt must be covered
Terry
NAB asked me if i wanted to increase borrowings and i said yes so they said well its much better to have your pproperties crossed as the value of both will give you greater borrowing power.I indicated that i had concerns with the xcollat, that in the tragic event things went of the rails they would sell my house if they chose to.Rather than the asset which has the mortgage if stand alone. There response was well we wouldnt sell it but tell you to put it on the market.
In any event if we didnt get enough to cover our debt we would be after your house anyway.
So i am not sure what to do how to tackle this.
I want to re-do my loans.
they wont do a revaluation unless i pay for it.If i buy another IP they will value the whole 3 peoperties and x collat the next IP which i dont want that.
They have always been ok with me but have had a high turnover of personal bankers and this one i dont like. You know the young upstart type that you are just a pleb. Thats how the PB comes across i havent met this new one yet.
I asked a simple question what is my borrowing power. Response you will have to make an application if you want me to work that out.
Sorry for rambling on but boy i feel like buying a machine gun….lol just kidding
regards
alfThanks for your input
so what the brokers are saying is
We are more likely to get it moulded how you like through us. Would that be accurate.
Why wont they allow me to uncross even though i am going to bring my LVR on th IP to 80%. This puzzles me as they would lend on 80% LVR on a single property?
Any of the brokers here feel they have enough pull with the NAB to get my PPOR and IP uncrossed, both properties re valued.
What i am aiming to do is this.
Valuation on PPOR i estimate LVR to be about 58%
Valuation on IP i estimate to be about 87%I want to get the IP LVR down to 80% with some of the equity from PPOR With LOC.
Then also have a offset account for PPOR loan.
Get as much borrowings as possible tp set up ready for any opps.
Other lenders seem to offer more in this regard.The other alternative is wear the costs and go to another lender with hgher borrowing threshold.
cheers
alfHi
Check out “The real cost of refiancing” in this thread.. I am confused?
I am told that i will incurr
discharge costs
mortgage stamp duty transfer costs
etccheers
alf