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    You can open a etrade – business account online. Bizarre but true. Quite good facilities as well.

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    I think you need to find a decent Real Estate attorney, they should be able to guide you through it.

    Good luck

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    I think that with land there are other advantages, such as no management, lower outgoings, no maintenance etc. Also land is so low now because nobody is building any houses so there are great opportunities to buy eg in cape coral [Cheeves you'll know the price better than me so feel free to correct me } land with gulf access for 35-55k which sold at the peak at upwards of $250K, if you don't have to have a return for 5-7 years then this is a great investment in my opinion.    

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    in the UK we have SIPP's which are self invested personal pensions which I suppose are similar to the SMSF, the IRS doesnt give them any favourable tax status and taxes as it would a normal llc.

    But its a complex area and specialist accountancy advice would perhaps be a good idea. I have the advice I got if you like I can send you this?

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    I think you may be surprised by Florida there are sub 35k properties with double digit net yields available in many Florida markets. Plus of course you have any future capital growth.

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    stuparker wrote:
    If your investing in Florida you will need a LLC registered in this state to trade properties however this may not be the case if your are buying investment property with the intention to hold it long term i.e. you maybe able to buy your long term holds in a foreign entity such as a Wyoming ,Delaware or Nevada LLC. This is something you will need to discuss with a USA attorney. Also in Florida something to be aware of is a single member LLC is treated as a disregarded entity thus providing you with little to no protection therefore it is recommended to have a dual member LLC. Again you need to discuss this with your USA attorney. Every State has different requirements and rules so first you need to decide where you will be investing and how that states rules apply to your situation,whether you will be trading or holding property so you can decide your next step.

    Actually you dont need a florida llc to buy or trade properties, you simply need a 'certificate of good standing' from whichever state the llc is registered in. Its something you can get online.

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    RickH wrote:
    putting Kansas in the Detroit basket is a little harsh.
    I have done some research into kansas city.
    it is a pretty stable place. you arent going to get your booming capital growth
    but it a place that offers good returns and cash flow.
    From a personel point that is what I want.

    What returns you can expect to achieve there?

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    Rosa,

    I think they are fairly well regarded but I also think,-not sure, that they have quite high buyers fees which isn't something you should be paying.

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    simon87 wrote:
    Hey all, I am heading over to Miami late feb and was just wondering if anyone is going to be around and would like to possibly catch up? I am keen to get out and see the property market and learn. British buyer would be keen to catch up if you are free late feb early march for a chat and maybe to look at some property and see how it all work in the US. Thanks in advance. Simon

    Hi Simon,

    Ill be in Miami then if you want to meet for a coffee.

    best

    Mark

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    Propinvest

    i do know it a little, my old partner recently bought two thousand plus building lots there. I think lehigh is one of those areas of Florida which became popular in the last boom, but will take longer to recover. It is also an area that varies widely and not an area to buy in without understanding those differences first hand.
    Having said that I think there are really good deals in terms of price, but I also think that these may recover slower and  to a lower level than other areas such as Cape Coral, your property is likely to be a good deal more illiquid as well, so therefore riskier. Probably more vacancies. I would look carefully to make sure that any deal considered there is much better than one on offer in a more developed area so as to make it worth being worth taking the extra risks.

    propvest78 wrote:
    Spyglass, do you know much about the lehigh acres area? have you got any input on this area, i have mixed opinions
    on it, seems risky but potentially rewarding in years to come…

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    morgstar wrote:
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    I am looking at buying in Phoenix, Kansas City or Orlando but i wanted to buy something around $25000, i am just a bit worried if i buy at the lower end of the market i will never recoup my money in 5 to 10 years in regards to the sale.


     

    Its a question of making sure you arent buying in a dying area, 25k is certainly at the bottom end, however in Florida I recently bought a townhouse at $28k, according to the local property appraiser website it sold for $170k in 07 and $130k in 04, it cash flows well and i feel in 5 years it will likely be worth 50% of at least the 04 price which along with the double digit net cashflow, I am very happy with.

    The fundamentals of a market are of course key and the principal reason why I like Florida is the population growth, buy in an area of the state well placed to enjoy this growth and I believe you shall get returns similar to these. Although as a cautionary note from one who has made this mistake before in Florida there are areas which you shouldnt touch.

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    Yes Im familiar with their approach, essentially they take the house price at one point in time and then the same house price at another point in time and from that extrapolate the house price market for a metro area. The reasons it is a very general indicator of the market are surely obvious. It s info is constructed from prices 5-6 months ago, which is then smoothed out to represent a three month rolling average. It is a metro wide indicator which takes no account of suburbs and quality. This means you have million dollar homes on Collins Ave, Miami mixed up with foreclosed condo's in Hialeah, Miami. It is just an indicator of the general health of the market and no one should use it as  a method of choosing where to invest. I think its largely considered something for the media to chew over.

    As regards the second point the only info and research I rely on being accurate and up-to-date is what I conduct myself when  buying assets. If you are serious ill happily show you the level of due diligence I perform. Just not on a public access forum. Drop me a PM.

    Regards,

    Mark

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    Surely it just presents the most opportunity? Those figures on the Standard and Poor's site are way out of reality in any case  and serve only in very general terms as to the state of the market.

    Personally Florida makes so much sense to me as you can buy properties in good areas which will provide a 14% true net, and you are buying so far under peak pricing that even if they return to only fifty percent of those levels in 5-7 years then you will return approx 33-35% cash on cash and that is non leveraged.  

    No other market in the US combines that level of cash flow with that probability of capital gains.

    I am biased and I do have a vested interest in Florida, and you do need to take advice and do your own research, but I'm now 11 years in the business and have seen hundreds of people waste money buying houses at higher than market price in areas that may have decent returns that will never, ever see any real capital growth, and those people will never be able to sell at the prices they bought never mind a profit.

    speedy gonzales wrote:
    Husky,

    Maybe to help you narrow down the search you can look at where NOT to invest. Some new data came out today from the S&P/Case Shiller House Price index which is a monthly report. The latest stat's are for the month of November and most are starting to predict a double dip in home prices which should be confirmed by their spring time. You can see the latest report here http://www.standardandpoors.com/indices/sp-case-shiller-home-price-indices/en/us/?indexId=spusa-cashpidff–p-us—-

    I also came across some interesting predictions from Case Shiller that came out in December 2010. They reported15 housing markets that would fall in value the most by 2012 which were

    #1 Naples FLORIDA
    #2 Las Vegas NEVADA
    #3 Miami FLORIDA
    #4 Ocean City NEW JERSEY
    #5 Phoenix ARIZONA
    #6 Gainesville FLORIDA
    #7 Fort Lauderdale FLORIDA
    #8 Atlantic City NEW JERSEY
    #9 Orlando FLORIDA
    #10 Punta Gorda FLORIDA
    #11 West Palm Beach FLORIDA
    #12 Cape Coral FLORIDA
    #13 Pensacola FLORIDA
    #14 Salinas CALIFORNIA
    #15 Prescott ARIZONA

    Not looking good for Florida to have 9 out of the 15 area's predicted to fall the most…would certainly have a drag on the whole states economy

    http://finance.yahoo.com/tech-ticker/article/535676/Here-Are-The-15-Housing-Markets-That-Will-Fall-The-Most-By-2012

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    I dont think there is one, but it would be a useful tool.

    There are apartment rental websites such as rent.com where you can get a good feel, especially when comparing class a with class a, and class b with class b etc, of course this doesn't deal with the shadow rental market which is historically very large at the moment  and skews things a bit. I think, Section 8 is determined at State level so they will determine a maximum for a two bed or in some cases a certain family size, so if your buying that type of stock you can know across the board what your looking at.

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    I dont think there is one, but it would be a useful tool.

    There are apartment rental websites such as rent.com where you can get a good feel, especially when comparing class a with class a, and class b with class b etc, of course this doesn't deal with the shadow rental market which is historically very large at the moment  and skews things a bit. I think, Section 8 is determined at State level so they will determine a maximum for a two bed or in some cases a certain family size, so if your buying that type of stock you can know across the board what your looking at.

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    Perhaps more detail than people might want and I thought I had posted this chapter of my US investment guide before, but I cant seem to find it.
     
    Prior to the passing of the Foreign Investment in Real Property Tax Act 1980
    (FIRPTA) unless the holding of real estate constituted a US trade or business any gain
    on its disposal was not subject to US taxation. FIRPTA changed that by imposing US
    tax on income and gains from the operation and disposal of “US real property
    interests” (USRPIs) by non resident aliens and foreign corporations. A USRPI is any
    interest in US real property or “US real property holding companies” (USRPHCs)
    which are basically any US corporation 50% or more of whose assets consist of
    USRPIs. The FIRPTA provisions are now included in the revised Internal Revenue
    Code of 1986.
     
    Accordingly both non US resident individuals and companies are liable to US tax on
    capital gains from the disposal of US real estate. Capital gains are calculated as the
    difference between the sale price and the cost basis of the asset sold. The “cost basis”
    is the purchase price adjusted to take account of brokerage, legal, sales and other fees
    and expenses, sales, excise, real estate and other taxes paid on the acquisition or
    disposal of the asset, the cost of improvements and depreciation.  For US tax purposes
    capital gains are either “short-term” if the asset disposed has been held for a year or
    less or “long-term” if held for more than a year. Short-term capital gains are taxed at
    regular income tax rates which for individuals currently start at 10% rising to 35% on
    income in excess of $373,650 and for corporations 15% to 35% on income above
    $18,333,334. For non residents only US income is, of course, taken into account for
    this purpose. Long-term capital gains are currently tax free for taxpayers in the 15%
    bracket or below and taxed at a flat 15% for those in the higher brackets.
    Unfortunately from 1 January 2011 the long-term capital gains of those in the lower
    brackets will be taxed at 10% and for those in the higher brackets the rate will rise to
    20%. The 15% bracket applies up to $34,000 for individuals and $50,000 for
    corporations.
     
    The FIRPTA provisions, however, require the purchaser or closing agent to withhold
    and account to the Internal Revenue Service for 10% of the purchase price on sales of
    real estate by non resident individuals or companies. This is credited against the
    seller’s federal tax liabilities and any balance is refundable on filing of the appropriate
    returns. It is possible to get a “withholding certificate” from the IRS in advance
    dispensing with this requirement but there are obviously strict conditions and it takes
    time to obtain. If however you have a US LLC owned by a foreign national this requirement isnt enforced.
     
    For purchasers, whether individual or corporate, who do wish to retain their
    lots after development for rental purposes the rent will constitute “fixed or
    determinable, annual or periodical gains, profits and income and is primarily subject
    to a 30% withholding tax on the gross amount. It is therefore usually advisable to
     
    make an “effectively connected business” election in respect of real estate rental
    income in which case it becomes “effectively connected business income” subject to
    tax at regular federal rates on the net amount after all deductions and expenses
    normally allowed to US residents. This means that all legitimate expenses related
    thereto including local real estate taxes and homeowners association assessments will
    be deductible. In this case an individual will need to file an annual tax return in Form
    1040NR and a corporation in Form 1120F. A local US accountant should be engaged
    for this purpose whose fees are also deductible.
     
    In the case of purchases through a SIPP a return will only need to be filed by the SIPP
    Trustee, which assuming it is a UK company will be in Form 1120F, when the lot is
    actually sold.
     
    In order to submit tax returns an individual needs to obtain an Individual Taxpayer
    Identification Number (ITIN) by completing Form W-7 and submitting it together
    with their passport or a notarized copy if sent by post to the US Embassy, 24
    Grosvenor Square, London W1A 1AE. Form W-7 is available from the embassy or
    can be downloaded from their website. A company needs to obtain an Employer
    Identification Number (EIN) which can be done by downloading and completing
    Form SS-4.
     

     

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    your welcome, anytime.

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    The point I want to make is you shouldn't pay any fees to any companies to find properties, membership fees etc etc. All the properties will have commission {normally 6% } built in. Essentially what it means is that there is three agents earning on the deal , the listing agent, the buyers agent, and the company charging the fee. Most of those charging fees tend to be one stop shops which only sell USA property and are purely opportunistic not property guys.

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    Hi,

    I like areas such as Cape Coral, which I feel is undervalued and a great location for growth -however I should also say I have a development there as well as lots of land so I am biased! I like Gainesville which is a college town in between orlando and Tallahassee,  it has fairly solid renters both from students and those staying on to work in the Medical research centers there. It was also out of the way of most of the pre construction madness that gripped Florida. If you have the money for a multiplex I like South Beach, solid rentals again and good growth prospects. There are areas in all the metro areas Miami, Ft lauderdale, West Palm Beach as well as orlando, Tampa etc which represent good opportunities, but as there are so many micro markets its a case of judging each deal on its own merits, and blanket generalisations-like this!, dont paint a full picture.

    Tks

    Mark

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    Hi Treasure,

    Its a long answer because as you know there are so many different housing markets and within those markets there will be good and bad areas, but some of the ones, and types I would sidestep are;

    Brickell, downtown Miami, epicentre of the condo building. These were the most high end condos and as such developers were falling over themselves to make it the most lavish which resulted in huge HOA fees, a lot of which is now unpaid. That being said I recently acquired the last 60 units in Capital Lofts for a client which is in this area, which is the exception that proves the rule in  my opinion.

    Orlando/Kissimee, in this market you have to be extremely careful because a lot of this isnt built for the primary market its built for the holiday market, this means that as there is still over supply here if you buy a property which is in area mainly for holiday rentals you will struggle to compete with the more established and frankly the more local operators, and you may also struggle to get a US tenant because who wants to be living in a street full of holidaying Brit? ( I dont and Im a Brit).

    A type of area I would avoid are areas which are tertiary markets  that were largely unloved before the recent housing bubble, its obvious but these areas will take longer to start to recover and the recovery will be slower.

    There are areas of cities in Florida which were all built around the same time so you have mile after mile of gated communities all of a similar age, the problem with this is that when you buy in here these are going to be the new ghetto as they get older and cheaper the renters and owners will slide down the social scale and in time maybe only a few years there will be developments which were solid B class originally becoming c-/d grade which will have obvious impacts on your investment.

    There are lots of areas away from the main population centers of South, west and central Florida which look good on paper but are easy to go wrong in, Citrus County, Marion County to name a couple.

    just my opinion.

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    morgstar wrote:
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    I am looking at buying in Phoenix, Kansas City or Orlando but i wanted to buy something around $25000, i am just a bit worried if i buy at the lower end of the market i will never recoup my money in 5 to 10 years in regards to the sale.


     

    Its a question of making sure you arent buying in a dying area, 25k is certainly at the bottom end, however in Florida I recently bought a townhouse at $28k, according to the local property appraiser website it sold for $170k in 07 and $130k in 04, it cash flows well and i feel in 5 years it will likely be worth 50% of at least the 04 price which along with the double digit net cashflow, I am very happy with.

    The fundamentals of a market are of course key and the principal reason why I like Florida is the population growth, buy in an area of the state well placed to enjoy this growth and I believe you shall get returns similar to these. Although as a cautionary note from one who has made this mistake before in Florida there are areas which you shouldnt touch.

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