Bump for a second month of value loss of RE , 1% in a month that is what… 11% year add inflation on the top and you have 15%. China is under crunch now feeling financial limitations of how much they can spend on stimulus.. remeber Chineese stimulus keeps them purchasing Aussie ore.
my very first investment decades ago was two kilos of silver when the bunker hunts cornered the market. to my amazement after buying the first kilo for $500 it went up to $1500, then I bought another at about $1100 expecting it to go up again and it just slid down and down and down and was worth about $200 a bar for the next few decades. made great paper weights
Love to hear some first hand stories, especially from those who lived long enough to accumulate long trend knowledge. I guess, one can reason that gold/silver investment can be no different to property investing as it comes in cycles….
W4L, I am looking at gold, rather. Not investment but as protection. 2.5 ounce per purchase will keep you under $5k for regestration for ID. Only drawback is many trips to accomulate $150K in phisical gold…
OT, I like now we get taxed on inflation… AU prints money at 7% /year. 1.5% population growth = 5.5% inflation created. Bakn gives you 6%, out of which you get taxed over 40%. So in real term you LOSSE at the rate of 1.5% / year ((
Let's stay on topic. It's been 4 years since thread was started, todate we have – High end (1M+) wend down and bouncing around now – Mid range (500+) grown, have no knowlege true %, does anyone knows? – Low end went up big time, anyone have %?
We have at hand rising IR, poor bussiness perfomance (based on my observation of manufacturing sector I am in), TAX reform coming (can expect surprises there). On the other hand we have had 4 years of time delay in crash for balance sheets to get improved by private induviduals and companies.
Well, well it's been 3+ years for this thread Three years of unpredictable events, fears and hope for some
Anyone want to comment on what is coming/hapening? First crash did not effect mid-low range RE in Australia, we know this for a fact now, thanks to FHOG. Now people talking about second wave (double dip) coming. Thinking logically, this should now correct mid-low RE prices in this round. Will it happen?
OLD thread, let's keep it afloat to see it expectations eventuate. To date we seen no price drop in mid/low range. However the top end sunk a minimum 30% (1m+ properties), that is in Wynnum / Manly / Lota in Brisbane
I have been sitting on my hands………….but not idly……have been researching my next foray and am waiting for cap rates to rise further before I venture out and commit.. If they are wrong I am still researching and will buy only a value add (with several twists) that is washing its own face and preferably is +ve CF.
Same here. We been enjoying debt free living for over the year now, and searching to upgrade PPOR for couple of years. To date, I came across 3-4 properties that interest me, price was good but not as low as we wanted. Top end is down a good 30% in Bayside Brisbane (comparing to 2007), I am aiming for another 20-25%.
Been straggling to find any +ve CF properties at low end (below 400K), like D mentioned. Not many in Brisbane by the looks of thinks. And I like them to be close to me, so I can look after them.
Gradual hike in IR will be lovely. Many will welcome increase payout to savings in the bank account and low end of properties catching up with top end in the trend. Economy, like any business, must be self sustainable. At the moment it is not, been poorly regulated .
I personally know nothing about the economy, but observe thinks… and manage manufacturing facility with 50 staff. I had 25 out of 50 working 3 days/week for about 9 months now. I am not looking to return to full capacity any time soon. We manage to maintain this level by getting new business and introducing new products. People seem to be happy to have that they got, they need no pay rises, just happy to have work tomorrow.
Some one from Austrade told me once: Wealthy is when your expenses match profits; Rich is when profits exceed expenses. Anything else is a scale up or down.
Talking about where we heading, well how many people have idea of now much construction / infrastructure been going up in the middle east? Dubai alone been building more than whole Australia by many folds. Now all those guys just come to stall 6 months back. You better hold on to something when shock wave will make it thru the world financial system. It appers to take about 12 months, so "D" may be right about outlook of the end of 2009.
Another one is China, slowing down now and if to come to halt will be a major issue.
My balanced outlook, not worse case scenario is that we will cope more pain for 12-24 months before we will bottom out for a llong time. People simply spent "future" money by means of borrowing, now economy needs time to catch up…
Welcome to 2009 I see many great opportunities coming up in 12-18 months in RE. With pricing on decline I started sniffing out RE I am interested in and noted that in reality I can get 10-20% off asking price on the top of official figures of 10% drop for 2008.
We are in for a free fall by the look of thinks. This is great for first home buyers and purchasing IP at the end of cycle.
Once you start getting this kind of discounted RE on the market, it will create chain reaction driving area prices down. It also create shock waves among those who already sitting on the fence, scaring them and they do further mistakes due to emotional decisions.