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    JacM wrote:
    Hi again Simon

    Thing is, you need cashflow to buy your groceries.  Equity doesn't pay the bills.  Definitely not saying avoid capital growth.  You absolutely need it.  But you also need cashflow.  I prefer to go for properties that produce both, rather than one property that is just cashflow and a separate property that is just capital growth. 

    The thing people forget is that whilst waiting for the capital growth (and presuming it happens in the manner you hope) you still have to support the mortgage whilst waiting.  In the case of a negatively geared property that is down by say $200 per week, you essentially have to find $200×52=$10,400 per year out of your own pocket just to hang on to the property.  If you cannot find such volumes of spare cash, then it is not even a strategy you could consider, because you would not be able to hang on.  Make sense?  Also, if you did have a spare $10,400 per year, you might prefer to be putting that towards acquiring additional properties rather than supporting just the one property.

    Another thing to be wary of are putting all your eggs in one basket.  Imagine if you had one expensive property and it was vacant for ages.  You would have zero rental income.  Not much good to you when you are retired and counting on the rental income to buy your groceries.  And another thing is land tax.  If you have lots of your chips on the board in one state, you hit that land-tax-free-threshold really fast. 

    Jacqui, thanks for coming back. On the compound interest, that's what I thought, and understand an even 10 is really an average. It make sense re these income, and also trying to balance both if possible. Lots of good points :-)

    On the $10.4k example, yes very clear. This is clearly the point behind offset accounts, you can redraw to buy the next one?

    Simon

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    JT7 wrote:
    Hi Simon,

    I'd certainly recommend having a good chat to Jacqui.

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    Both Jacqui and I use the same broker, who is also an extremely accomplished and successful investor, and also a top bloke and a very good friend of ours. 

    Have a chat to Jacqui she will steer you in the right direction. 

    Jack 

    Thanks jack for post, good to hear it can be done. Also for recommendation.

    Nigel Kibel wrote:
    Hi Simon

    If you buy a property for $400,000 and one growths by 5% and the other growths by 10% and all you are aiming to do is keep it for the next 20 years the difference works out to be $80,000 per year for each year you have owned the property. N.

    Hi Nigel, thanks and good food for thought. It seems there are two different approaches, and a good strategy likely mixes them both up.

    You’ve got me thinking that maybe i should be to focus on cash flow early on to start to build equity, then property 2 or 3 maybe focus on CG.

    One thing I’m confused by though, I hasn’t done the calculation, but does an extra 5% compounded really equate to 80k over 20 years? And I know it’s for illustration, but 10% over 20 years is actually highly unlikely right?

    Thanks again for posting and helping me get on track

    Simon

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    Shahin, i probably should have said more clearly that i know the goal is CF+, but don't think achievable in Canberra. 

    Jacqui, a bit of a long story, i had thought a year ago to do what you say, and I saw a bunch of advisors and and wasnt happy, so found a company highly regarded, so paid $700 and the guy said save more, buy ppor, and when save more, come see me.  So that knocked the wind out of me. We have around $100k in super.

    Thanks both for your questions

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