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Hi,
Nathan B has bought about this style of investing to reality, it’s not easy and takes a lot of risk; but it has paid off well for Nathan ( Maybe Nathan can post n comment on some hints)
Here are some answers to the above posters—>
—How equity release works( basic)—-
Say you have a current home loan of $300,000 and the LVR was 80% ( so home at that time was purchased for 375,000) lets call this the PPOR
Step 1 : You request the bank or broker to do a valuation and a loan increase ( split loan preferred way; for Tax reasons and simplicity)
Step 2: depending on which bank and how much you need – you can top up to a 80% LVR OR higher/lower
Step 3: say the value of the home is now $450,000 — that means your CURRENT LVR is 66%
Step 4: Say you choose to do a 80% LVR top up
Step 5: You have $450,000 x 80% = $360,000 ====== $60,000 equity to use.Use this $60,000 for the deposit + stamp duty on the next purchase.
So the end results is
– PPOR loan of $300,000 still
– New IP loan of 100% LVR ( $60,000 + purchase cost) – tax deducible
How to maintain a Large portfolio—-
1. Buying +Ve property to maintain serviceability
2. Buy under the market to access instant equity
3. Renovate, Expand and develop to BUILD equitySay you buy a place at 80% LVR and loan is $200,000 + $10k for basic renovations = on a 7% interest ~$1,150 PM ( interest only)
Rent = $350 x 4 = $1,400 PMMinus insurance, management fee etc —- you will either break even or make a small amount of say $20-$30 PM…yes not a lot BUT it builds up…
1. Rent can be increased, and on average does go up over time…
2. You can renovate, build granny, furnish, paint to increase rent
3. The above does not take in any tax benefit or deprecation yet
4. Value of the land goes up …with inflation at leastSay your -VE or behind by $100 P/M — in effect this equates to a $90,000 mortgage in terms of serviceability.
SO term of serviceability; the bank will normally take in 80% of potential and current rent; so it may get to a point where your “serviceability” hits a dead end….But as long as your rent keeps going up + you have a job to support the ongoing “smaller ” debt then you got a long way to go.
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Correct way is for bank to send out the the valuers to do initial valuation; should you jump this step- it’s ok but you should let the bank know BEFORE you place the 5% else it will delay the process…also note the bank will NOT pay you back directly….they are only allowed to pay the “invoice” / builder direct.
But if your read your loan docs; and the”progressive” payment outline; the first payment for the foundation is paid by you most of the time anyway.
Ie;
6 stage progressive payment: ( the % are the amount of the loan on average) — a Valuation is done at each stage, sometimes depending on the bank and the construction amount some step may be skipped in terms of valuation.
1. Preparation – palns, permits, soil test, drive way,connection ets — 5%
this is what you pay most of the time out of your “deposit”
2. Base – Slab, Foundation – 12% — depending on your LVR. you may be paying for this part as well first
3. Frame- House frame —Inspector and surveyor sent out – 10%
4. Lock up- window, locks, roof , insulation – 21%
5. Fixing – Plaster, kitchen, Bathroom , Plumbing and electrical – 39%
6. Completion- Fencing, Site clean up, – 13%Your only 2-3 weeks away from finally release and instruction from the bank…wait it out.
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It will affect the unconditional approval; but that doesn’t mean it’s the end- some changes are still within the banks standard.
1. Depend what the change is?
2. Which bankRegards
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48 squ meter’s is a different ball game…it’s pretty much 50- and the bank will not have a problem financing this what so ever!
So expect to pay $390-420…if it has it’s own parking and it’s new then mid- high $400-480Normally prices drops a lot when it’s hard to finance = hard to sell….But on 48; easy peasy.
If it fits 2-7….especially 7; then it sounds like a good buy as long as the price is not over the top.
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luke86 wrote:Yep, I think it all depends in location. I have recently refinanced a smallish 1 bedroom apartment in Petersham with no worries. A family member recently refinanced a 3 bedroom house in Karratha, WA and had to jump through hoops and order a full valuation in order to release funds. Both deals were with the same bank. So I think this shows that it depends where the property is located rather than what the property is that determines whether a bank will lend on it.Cheers,
LukeHi luke! – great buy!
The bank looks at both Property and location.
Karratha from memory is a mining town with a pop less then 7,000; so one of the reason why it may have that problem.Regards
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stu_macca wrote:Hi,Thanks for the extra comment. The debate continues…
It's in Forest Lodge (adjacent to Glebe).
A few of you have said location is the driver, but also referred to "CBD" which I guess Forest Lodge is not.
Forest lodge is not CBD, but it brings and attracts part of the CBD demographic as it’s only a 3-5min bus ride down…and it’s close to the Uni + hippy funk place of newtown
Forest Lodge – tend to have a lot of OLD units and strata from my past dealing are like $25-30 per squ meter!! which is expensive.
Forest Lodge “was” a great place…but due to “The lodge” in broadway it has affected the prices of student accomdation/ smaller units in that area, the lodge has roughly 25 units on the market all around $110-$200k.If your going to buy in Forest Lodge my personal feel is
1, $4,500 per squ meter max
2. 1 bedroom only- dont even look at the studio ( The lodge are pretty much 70% studios – you want to complete on a different market)
3. No student accommodation
4. Strata no more then $15 per ssqu meter
5. Own laundry, bathroom and kitchen
6. Not on Parra road- stick with side streets
7. The set up of the place ( floor plan) is designed well enough to fit 2-3 ppl comfortablyRegards
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Hi Oz-
Yes the bank treats equity like cash; but make sure they do NOT x-cross your loan unless you really need to; so
1. Draw the equity and covert it into cash ( placed into a separate account/mortgage as a redraw or offset)Use this 10% cash as per normal…
Regarding rent; most lenders will only take in 80% …some banks like ANZ will go off there “rent valuation” or the current rental agreement at 100% rental rate if requested….however ANZ “serviceability” ratio tends to be slightly tougher..so you lose some and you win some
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Also who are these ppl? and HOW do they “predict” these changes. need to know their method and data source to make a judgement.
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stu_macca wrote:Hi,I have found out today that the big four banks will not lend if the property foot print is less than 50 square meters. The rationale being there will be gaps in rent due to the types of tenants attracted.
I could proceed with another financial institution, but wonder if this might cause problems when it comes time to sell.
Thoughts?
It all depends on the “deal” and location….if it’s located in a good area ie in the CBD then vaccnay is not going to be a problem. In general smaller units has “less” capital growth ; looking at haymarket Sydney – the area went up by 30% in the last 4 years…but on average smaller units only went up by 20% on average….so growth can be drive up by location and demand of the area overall.
1. location is key for smaller units
2. 5% GROSS yield is low…you should be aiming for a min of 6-6.5% gross when it comes to units.Regards
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Ossi89 wrote:Hi, this is my first post on this site (I only joined 30 minutes ago). I am 21 years old, live in Sydney and have just bought my first investment property in Orange, NSW. I keep hearing stories about people under 30 on average incomes who have over 30 investment properties. My property in Orange essentially pays for itself so I would love to buy some similar properties. How do these people continue to get finance approved? (I realise this is a very basic question but I am trying to learn as much as I can as quickly as possible, any tips would be greatly appreciated) Thanks.to be honest- it’s not about getting as MANY properties as possible….it’s all about the strategy and overall “plan”
I have clients who only has 3 IP and there “overall worth” in term of capital growth and rental yield was far more Superior compared to another clients who has 10 IP….Regards
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Pogita wrote:Thanks Richard and Micheal,I read the ACL application guide, it said the responsible manager need to be competent, and according to R206 competent mean I have to have at lease 2 years experience. If no one gonna take me on as their Credit Rep even if i offer fees and spilt, how am I suppose to have the experience in being a credit provider in the first place, what a dumb rule. Anyway thanks for the reply guys, greatly appreciated.
It’s a catch 22- no one is willing to take u in unless u have 2 years …u may have to stat off small and do something simliar- ie work for a bank or private lender in simliar role etc….but it makes sense for you to have some sort of expereicne before they would allow you to go on your own; There’s a lot of fraud going around especially in private money lending …plenty of fake ID and payslips out there!
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another solution- is to invest your money into a well established company that does private lending;
If your interested let me know ill send you the contracts to some of the private lenders – average return is 11%– but having said that it still comes with it’s associated risk!Regards
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Yep i agree with Richard – especially if your starting off “small” the risk is to high for them to take you on their books + they don’t know you.
The only way around this is for your to APPLY for your own Credit License via ASIC – as the Credit License are NOT just for brokers….to take up your own it’s gonna cost a bit + time.,
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hawko79 wrote:Hi everyone,Thanks for your help. I've just got myself a job (started this week), wages aren't great ($45k) but its a start as I was teaching English overseas for the last 2 years.
Been reading API and almost finished "0 to 130 properties" by Steve McKnight. I'm nearing the end of the book, but I found an interesting part that said that you should buy commercial property (debt free) when you have enough cash to do so (which I do at the moment).
What do you guys think I should be looking to do? I was thinking of starting out small (ie, +ve cashflow property most likely in regional area) and then working my way upward.
Thanks again for your help, much appreciated.
Congrate on the job.
Even though the salary is not great; the bank will still lend you a certain amount– the short fall will jsut come from your own pocket.
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Portfolio PI wrote:I’m going to pose a question to brokers here…would buying a property with some of the 500k outright work which you would then receive rent from. Question is, would the rent then be counted as income given employment? In my situation i know it is so I would assume that would be the case here.So depending on Caleb’s strategy that he chooses and should it be a property portfolio, can he then use rent received from properties as serviceability for more properties later on?
Yep- rent= income…
But speding $500k to achieve a rent of say $600pw-isn’t the best “structure” financially i have to say;
1. Risk
2. A huge lump sum into one investment
3. $600pw= $30,000 gross PA- can’t afford much for the next purchase + cash for deposit and stamp duty
4. Next purchase needs to be under 80%….LMI do not like “unemployment”Regards
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amsaini15 wrote:Thanks Michael.. This is bit confusing for the beginnersI was under the impression once money has been paid off into loan (either in P&I loan or into Redraw), I have loss tax deductibility on the amount forever. But now I understand that by refinancing and topping up loan to 80% or 90% LVR (whatever required), we can create new loan account to use for investment purpose. These funds will be combination of re-borrowing paid amount and increase in equity over a period of time. I hope I am correct with my understanding now.
I will setup this loan account with 25K now and as you suggested put this 25K in the offset for this future investment account and not in the PPOR offset.
Spot on buddy!
Most banks allow up to 3-5 split per security.
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Speak to Paul Dobson who post on this forum on a regular basis; his knowledgeable in the world of vendor finance.
I dont have any relationship with Paul…just seen him post very high quality information.
Paul Dobson – Vendor Financier – http://www.negative2positive.com.au
Ph: 0447 973 235 – http://www.jvpropertypartners.com.au
http://www.vendorfinanceinstitute.com.auRegards
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You solved your own question
Ur set up is fine.
1. Separate account for the 25K
2. the funds to go into a offset account ( make sure you have a separate offset account for this IP loan,,,, adding this top up cash to your current PPOR offset could be seen as tax evasion- transferring deducible debt to non-deducible one)Regards
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ahha fair enough.
realcommercial and commercialrealestate are really the only 2 website i trust for Commercial deal search; you get a few buyers agent who will find deal you dont find on these sites but trust as you mentioned is an issue.
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just_sammy wrote:Hi guys,I've invested in a few residential properties and am looking for some commercial to add to the portfolio.
Are the commercial websites – realcommercial and commercialrealestate – the only two portals into the world of commercial RE?
Looking to invest about 1.5-3m initially and have scanned the online ads but haven't found much that truley excites, maybe i've missed somethinga and have overlooked some interesting opportunities so would love for some direction – most of what's online seems lowish in terms of net yield.
Does anyone here have any suggestions on the best agents in Sydney to build a relationship with – both real estate agents and buyers agents ?
Cheers,
Sam.I deal with a commercial finance on a regular basis; so i get sent hot deal straight off the press from the agents before it goes on the market in case one of my commercial clients/investors are interested.
Is there a particular commercial deal your looking for?
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