No argument there. It is a scary scenario, and the possibility had occurred to me. Here I see some much better educated and informed people than I share my concerns.
Personally, I don't like spas. Yet nearly every high quality hotel or other accomodation seem to offer one. I've found too many pubic hairs in spas, and that's been a bit of a turn off. Plus, particularly indoor spas can be very loud and it's hardly relaxing sitting there listening to that roaring noise. I saw a segment on a current affairs show a little while back about how rarely spa's in hotels etc are cleaned properly. In reality, the pipes really need to be sanitised between users. Or any sort of bacteria can be sitting in there from the previous user, despite you emptying and cleaning the bath itself. Remnant water and bacteria in the pipes is a bit of a yucky concept. So, personally, I'd never use a spa, but I may not be your typical target consumer. Re the complicated switches, perhaps an electrician could simplifiy the set up for you? S
Ok, I can have 26 Full Buckets of Confidence but It still won't Increase my net profits and make my business successful, And why is increased Business lending confidence ??? wtf ? If I need a million dollar loan to continue operating this Quarter does that mean im Confident and a Succesful businessman now ?
I had to go back to my original post about confidence, to make sure i stay on track. My point there was that Australia's economy is not as weak as some others. One of the indicators I was using to establish this is business confidence. Business confidence is a well used, well respected measure of the health of an economy and its ability to attract investment. I used an increase in business lending as an indicator of business confidence. I am not making any comment about wether these businesses will be successful, or have better net profits. I am making a comment that those business owners feel confident that they can repay their loan, the banks feel confident that the businesses can repay the loan, and everyone feels confident that it is worth making the related investment. Of course, the decision to borrow money does not assure success – that is not my point. My point is that the decision to borrow money, and the decision to lend money illustrates that there is still a level of confidnence within our economy that is attracting investment (even if that investment is largley just an investment in the future of the business by keeping it afloat now – and not even saying that that would be the right move, just that people feel CONFIDENT enough to make it.) You keep harping on about how borrowing is bad, and does not assure the business of success….. This is a different discussion. My point is that borrowing indicates CONFIDENCE in the economy, and confidence is good. This is not about the confidence that an individual may have, but about economic sentiment.
Howard didn't just fall because of the CO2 thing. It was also about workchoices. Howard always had the guts to do what he thought was right, and in the end this cost him pretty dearly. In the end he was just in power for too long and too many people got sick of him. Too many new voters had no experience of the economic hardship that Labor can cause. Too many voters don't understand the slightest thing about the economy. I think that only employed people with an IQ over a certain level (say 120?) should be allowed to vote, and perhaps retirees that did earn their own living and not live on welfare. People on welfare should not be allowed to vote. Neither should greenies nor animal liberationers. I knew Krudd was dangerous the first time I noticed him on TV. Well spoken, charismatic, younger than Howard and seemingly more relevant to young workers.
What about Barnaby Joyce? So, he's a senator, (and a ?National? – or did he get the shit$ and go independent, can't remember), but he seems to have his own brain a bit and a set of balls. Yeah, I was just joking about good old Please Explain.
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I'll have to check all your links from now on, obviously the mere appearance of a link does not assure the credibility of your information, just your enthusiasm to appear credible.
Increased business lending = confindence. You still have not rebutted that, only waffled on about how business borrowing is bad. Pain, and confidence are not mutually exclusive, you know.
China china china. Yeah, I can't really argue that one, don't know enough about it really. Expand your point with conjecture (I love conjecture) China recession = massive reduction in finance worldwide = higher interest rates = bad. Hey, has this already happened. Baaaaa baa.
I'm really surprised that you have had such trouble with n@b. We bank with them, have forever, and have found them to be very helpful. Have you just struck a bad person, or a bad branch? Perhaps there is another branch you can do business with in the future? I guess this is one story that illustrates why it can be good to go through a finance broker (but I guess that doesn't really help you now, though). Do follow the complaint up, and try to change your contact point with the bank, so someone else can look after you and you can start your relationship with the bank afresh. Goodluck. S
I'm afraid I'm not always sure when you are taking the pi$$ and when you are actually agreeing with me.
do you think Suncorp is strong? I had believed that they were the bank at risk of a rush, which is why Kruddy guaranteed deposits, to stop them from collapsing. Perhaps that was one of your sarcasms?
OK, my expression is a bit wrong there, with the weaker economies lending Australia money. I was more getting at the idea that a) in an ocean full of sinking ships, our floundering vessel might be a more attractive prospect for investment than one that was well an truly stuffed. b) why would another economy decide Australia was not safe to lend to, when it may be safer than others This was more in response to the poster who suggested that interest rates would rise when the rest of the world decided it was too risky to lend money to Australia. And maybe your point here is worth expanding. Perhaps interest rates will rise because no one has any money to lend to Australia, not that they don't want to, but because they can't afford it.
No recession? I must have misheard the news. I thought the last quarter was negative growth, technically a recession. OK, if I'm wrong about that I'll cop it on the chin. Anyway, you should know you sound a bit like Lawrence Springborg on that ALP ad.
"It suggests that our economy is heading into another boom as business struggle to keep afloat with sinking profits and thus have to borrow more money to survive http://www.news.com.au/perthnow/story/0,,24975203-951,00.html" Bull. Your link to a news story about one company doesn't mean that is what is happening in the whole economy. Rio tinto in this article are looking to raise equity, not debt. I said business lending is up, (as in debt). (And upon reflection, the statistic I heard MAY have been about small business lending) Debt and equity are two different things. Perhaps business is borrowing money to fund a shortfall in operating budget due to downward pressure on profit, perhaps business sees new opportunity within the current market and is seizing the opportunity while interest rates are low. Either way, the decision to borrow indicates confidence in the ability to repay the loan. Confidence in the future of the business. The banks decision to lend this money to business also indicates a confidence in the ability to repay the loan.
Your little graph on the home price index is not an adequate rebuttal about the sub prime mortgage issue. Interesting graph though. To me the graph illustrates how house prices have changed in the USA and Aust over the period 1890 to now(ish). This is just as indicative of the status of the respective economies in 1890 as it is of their status today. In 1890 I can only imagine that the USA economy was more developed than the Australian economy, and the Australian economy has done quite a bit of catching up, which may be somewhat responsible for Australian house prices rising so much more compared to the 1890 price than has been seen in America. (All pure conjecture). I have no argument with the fact that Australian real estate is terribly overpriced. There was more at play, though, in the American sub prime disaster than simply overinflated housing prices.
Yeah, that's a good idea, I might just ring up someone and find that out (interest rates). Don't know why I didn't think of it before, really. While I'm at it I'll ring the US govt and ask them how much silver they've got left and when they plan to dump that on the market.
Congratulations on the referenced opinion. Pity some of the links had only a vague connection to your point. I couldn't justify the time to download the Obama thing – perhaps you could surmise?
Pity you don't have time to register yourself to vote. You could go and register and move to Beaudesert, where you could vote for Pauline Hanson. But then, maybe she IS a part of a plot to take over the world, dye everyone's hair red and mandate poor fashion sense.
Ha ha ha. Love your sarcasm. Glad you bit. Afterall, I did want a debate. Not a cup of tea.
I think my point was that our economy is better than some of the others. Not that there is nothing wrong with it, or that it is outstandingly strong. And I think I said we were led to believe that our economy was stronger than others, I didn't actually state that as fact, just as something that we are being led to believe. But what the market BELIEVES is very important, perhaps more important than what is actually FACT.
What is stronger about our economy? We haven't had any banks actually collapse yet (though they might have if the government hadn't interfered – that is another debate, fact is none have collapsed). Our subprime mortgage market was not in the same mess as the USA's. Our recession, officially, has only just begun. We don't have a whole class of people camping in the parks, and living in low priced motels (not that we have any of them here anyway) because they have been foreclosed upon. You can't buy a house here for about $5000 (please tell me where if I am wrong). Of course our economy has its weaknesses, faults, problems. My point is, compared to many other economies, it is not as bad. So why wouldn't weaker economies lend Australia money? Possibly if our govt defaulted… We all know home loan lending is up (thx Kruddy and his stupid FHOG), but did you know that business lending is also up? What does that suggest? That business owners still feel confident enough to borrow money? And what drives markets? Confidence? (well partly anyway). Point being there is still some confidence in Australia's businesses. Sure, maybe we are just a few years behind everyone else and that is the only reason things are not as bad here yet as they have been overseas.
QLD election this weekend hbbehrendorff, are we going to see a change? Will it be a change for the better? Do we just vote in the LNP and hope they get their act together enough to run the state? Or do we keep going with Labor (groan)? Will we ever get the opportunity to vote for someone who has won our respect and confidence? Or will it always be a competition between the ones in power who have run a stuff for 11 years and the ones who don't seem to be playing on the same team, or even the same game?
But what will happen to Australia's real estate market when the ineviteble (sp?) interest rate DOES happen?
That is quite a scary scenario. How likely is it though? We are led to believe that our economy is one of the strongest / best positioned to wether the GFC. If that is the case, isn't it most likely that credit will continue to be extended to Australia by the rest of the world? Who else will they lend money to? While our own economy might be shaky, or worse, perhaps more important, I would have thought is our economy's health relative to other economies around the world.
dan1114, Its a forum, we are here to give our optinions and try to help others. If we are correct then that's great, if we are wrong , then you can tell us about it, hbbehrendoff must be congradulated for making a brave call, he maybe wrong, but that's fine. At least he is giving reasons for his call, he may save people lots of money ?
Or he could cost them a lot of money if he is wrong. The truth is, HB is making an educated guess, like everyone else. I know he has been right in the past, (he keeps mentioning his correct predictions ad nauseum), but he can't KNOW for sure and certain what will happen in the future.
It's the absoluteness of his pontifications that annoys people. It's just his opinion, that's all.
Don't be so tetchy. All any of us have to offer on this forum, re the future, is our opinion. Some people are more confident than others about their information, and their ability to predict things accurately. Are you jealous? If someone is relying upon the opinion of an anonymous internet identity without carrying out their own investigations and research from more authoritative sources, then it is only a matter of time before they listen to the wrong person and loose money. And sure, HB can be a little absolute in his opinions. Do you remember the confidence, the arrogance and the blissful self assurity of early adulthood before you've made any real mistakes or copped any big hits, personally, financially, emotionally? He'll mellow with age and experience. Leave him be. S
Is this the same piece of land you tried to sell us last week? Getting a little dull. Try to contribute something to the forum, as much as you try to flog stuff to us. 9km from the CBD in Townsville puts this block on the very edge of town in an area being considered for rezoning as heavy industrial. There is a prison there. And this intersection of Northern Western and Southern traffic is hardly a T intersection with all traffic flowing through it. I've read the main roads web pages on the overpass.
Well, then, here is another example of something that I find confusing in alot of the maths that i see happening on this site – the constant use of a simple interest formula, rather than a compound interest formula. Why does no one bother working out compound interest, that is, afterall, how the banks work out the interest, isn't it? What am I missing? S
Hey, I'm not saying that you used the wrong term. I might have it wrong myself. Try your banks website, some of them have good calculators that have the fees etc built in for your loan product. If you have a broker, or a banker that you can talk to, you can ask them to prepare a loan schedule for you to work out what will happen with your proposed repayment level at x%. You can feed the loan schedule data into a spreadsheet to get what you need. S
I must be missing something. I've always considered positve geared to mean positive cash flow, rather than positive income. IE, when working out expenses versus income, one should use REPAYMENTS rather than INTEREST. So, given that repayments are set at the beginning of the loan, I don't see how the outward cashflow will change as the loan reduces. Sure, interest reduces, tax deductibility reduces, but repayments stay the same. Why would a property become positive cash flow? Is it because of your increasing rent? What am I missing? For my purposes it is more important to know wether a property is positive cash flow, rather than just positive income. S
Tell me about it. Self employed, with two business structures (one is primary production) and an investment property, filling in any sort of Centrelink form is an absolute nightmare. And what if you underestimate your income, they over pay you and you have to pay it back. We collect FTB A and B in our income tax return, which is a good way of offsetting any income tax that we might actually have to pay them (Our main business structure is a company which employs us as employees, so we pay PAYG Withholding there, meaning most of our income is already taxed before doing the tax return. Even Child Care Benefit is too hard to work out, so i claim that at the end of the year too, and pay full fees a couple of days a week so i can run the office. Sad thing is though that old Kruddy's bonus pyaments won't find their way to us until we do this year's income tax return. I don't actually agree that we should be at all eligble for any sort of welfare, but if they are handing it out I'll have it. Not going to turn it down on principle. People as well off as us shouldn't be eligible though, as a matter of policy. People alot better off than us get alot of money from the govt too, and that sucks too. Sometimes I think I should go into politics. Then I never could start working with idiots (which is what cut short my fruit picking career, thank God!). S
Of course, of course. I'm a big fan of spending money and enjoying it All the stories I related above, though, were people who don't have any investments at all. One of them though, was looking at a investment property. They felt very honoured to have been personally contacted by the developer who promised $x rental return, and had lots to say about the growth potential of the region, just sign here……. and they did. They signed the contract, then decided to exit under the cooling off strategy – phew! S
wow, no management fees! That DOES sound too good to be true. Surely someone manages the property and they charge something? I've noticed a few of these for sale for less than $100K in strong rural towns. Returning well over 10%. Seems to me like a good class of tenant (so long as they stay alive!). good luck S
Where are these $5000 properties? Congratulations on wanting to invest your 10K. Much smarter than buying a car or something. It's tricky though, as it's not much money in the real estate world. You really need to build up a bit more of a deposit, unless you're willing to consider some pretty marginal real estate. There are other investment options for smaller amounts of money. One thing to consider would be the share market, commodities or derivatives. However, with the current economic turmoil, it's not really a very safe bet at the momeny unless you had someone very capable to walk you through it. Forget buy and hold, but there can still be some money in trading if the trader is smart enough. Perhaps safest for the time being would be term deposit in a bank, while you spend some time knowing enough about either real estate or the share market in order to make some smart decisions about what to do.
Rich = not having to go to work each day and do the things you want to do.
I can get a beautiful meal at the local bowling club feed my hubby and the girls plus a bottle of plonk for under $55.00 (4 people) or I can go to the ANA Hotel and eat in the japanese restaurant plus wine for around $1,000.00
Rich is all about choice and perception, do you wear $1,000.00 high heels shoes or $10.00 flip flaps … who really cares it's your choice and 100 years from now no one will remember …
Advise = show me your bank account then I'll listen to you … walk a mile in my mockersons … are you a talker or a walker … where did you come from …
Every person who comes to this web site is looking for answers to building wealth and making money that is why it is called an "investing" site and attracts 60,000 members (not sure how many are active though)
Nett assets = how rich we are thats after we pay every body back what we owe them … why are sooooo many people and BIG companies going broke today = they have no NETT worth.
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I'm not really sure if this is directed at me. It doesn't seem to address my question. How do you know "rich" people are selling things, what are they selling, and what is there to suggest that they are selling as a part of a proactive plan, rather than just reacting to current market conditions? I also made the point that net worth, or bank account, or any monetary measure of wealth does not necessarily measure a person's capability to make good financial decisions. If they built wealth themselves, then I'd like to know what they are doing and why. If their family handed them a fortune, which they are in the processes of disintegrating, then I'll give their take on things a miss. If their family handed them a fortune, which they have tripled, then I'd like to know what their thoughts are too. S