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    Visit the property section in your TAFE bookshop or library – great source of info.

    Depreciation – yes it is applicable. Depending upon incentives, lessor contributions to fitout etc you may be able to claim more ie over the life of the tenancy rather than building life.

    Functional obsolescence – watch out for buildings which may require massive refurbishment as they no longer suit the purpose – eg: lessor's infrastructure is outdated – phone/data, power/switchboard, essential services.

    Become acquainted with REAs, valuers, QS, lawyers etc they all play a valuable role in commercial property.

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    What's inside about it? The building has a sinking fund which is set aside to finance the cost, the minutes of the AGM reflect how the money is to be spent, part of the purchase price is the value of the unit's share of the SF (which will be depleted when the works are done), the purchaser of the unit will have the liability for any special levies for the works, the vendor doesn't want to/is unable to  contribute to any special levies.

    In a nutshell, that outlines your risk and upside.

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    mattnz wrote:
    Typically in commercial property there are no outgoings. The contract with the tenant will almost always state that they must pay for them (as long as you have a tenant of course).

    There are both gross and net leases. Matt refers to net leases (which are the figures that you must use to calculate your return when comparing different investments (ie other properties or other types of investments eg shares).

    Not all leases are net – many retailers (those generally not located in managed shopping centres) and other users are paying a 'gross' rent or possibly a 'semi-gross' rent (where some outgoings are payable. A gross rent is preferred by many tenants as they are only obliged to pay the agreed rent + services whereas  a tenant on a net lease pays an agreed proportion of outgoings (rates, landtax for single holding, water rates, insurance, management fees, maintenance costs etc.

    mattnz wrote:
    The main restrictions with commercial are …longer vacancy periods than in residential.

    Not necessarily true. I have seen some properties vacant for in excess of 12-18 months and others which have been effectively marketed by an active/effective agent leased before the previous tenant has vacated. The advantage of commercial property is that, unlike residential property, the tenant generally undertakes some fitout, reprints stationery, business goodwill etc (ie has a greater financial commitment to a location), hence the lease term is generally longer than resi, so you may have one tenant for 3-20 years with no vacancy but it may be a long one when they vacate.

    Cashflow may be a little more sporadic than residential as there are often incentives payable eg x months rent free, agency fee reflective of lease term, legal costs (dependent upon property type & deal struck). This is reflected both in the yield and the risk/return for each property and why banks will only lend 65% not 90-105% (sometimes at a premium). You will have to be a better financial manager to cover repayments whilst you have vacancies by putting aside sufficient funds to cover outgoings, interest etc.

    High returns are indicative of 'higher risk' which may be seen as properties where the tenant is on a short lease, over-rented, or the property may need extensive work. Lower risk may indicate a more stable/better investment grade property eg a suburban shop with KFC or a bank may sell on a 2-3% net yield whereas a similar shop with a 'no name' tenant on an expired lease in a country area may be paying 12% net. (the country property may not have any capital growth or prospect of a replacement tenant compared the security of a long lease  with a quality tenant).

    One other thing to mention is that GST is payable unless you are buying a 'going concern' – refer to teh ATO for specific requirements. It will pay to be GST registered as you can't raise a tax invoice & collect gst unless you are.

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    'Commercial' is a pretty wide field when it covers retail, industrial & office space, each having its own metrics and risk profile. Return varies even around the country for similar property. Any more specifics?

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    All the more reason to be bargaining downwards and moving away from your original offer.

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    When the market is quiet….It could be properties which failed to sell at auction prior to Christmas (so have been on the market for 4  weeks + the holiday period) it could be those which have sat around over winter.

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    I too would side with some of the others:

    • find a cheaper property without all the whistles & bells on the same size (or bigger block).
    • Is the train line a certainty? Has construction started at this end? If so, what else is available in the area which meets your requirements?
    • What will it cost to bring the other things to another block? Ie new kitchen, repainting, landscaping, pool etc? Doing all of those in your own time will improve your initial bottom line (less stamp duty etc) and you can get the features that you want.
    • Is the site close to Forest Lake shopping centre/schools/proposed station/bus etc? Just some of the usual considerations.

    There may be some minor penalty for pulling out during the cooling-off period, but this is much better than to be stuck with an expensive mistake.

    Lastly, you have matched the vendor's asking price. If you are keen on the property, even with the apparent issues, use the pest/building inspection and quotes for repairs to hammer the price down by $30-40k or whatever it is going to cost + a fair margin more.

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    I too would side with some of the others:

    • find a cheaper property without all the whistles & bells on the same size (or bigger block).
    • Is the train line a certainty? Has construction started at this end? If so, what else is available in the area which meets your requirements?
    • What will it cost to bring the other things to another block? Ie new kitchen, repainting, landscaping, pool etc? Doing all of those in your own time will improve your initial bottom line (less stamp duty etc) and you can get the features that you want.
    • Is the site close to Forest Lake shopping centre/schools/proposed station/bus etc? Just some of the usual considerations.

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    Sound like you might need a 3rd block as well. ;)

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    Owning 2 adjoining houses means you can choose some of your neighbours (if you live in one). Yes, it can make sense to pay a premium for the second block if it gives rise to additional development potential eg a single block will allow 2 dwellings however  2 blocks will allow 5 dwellings (or better still an increase of 30%+ on 2 single lots).

    Have a look at the LEP to confirm if there is any development/subdivision potential to be gained from having 2 adjoining lots.

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    If you settle, you pay stamp duty. If you sell after settlement you pay cgt.

    Many states no longer allow you to put 'nominee' as the purchaser.

    Look into 'put and call' options.

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    Generally, it is only those who are listed on the title (all of the parties) or those who have a power of attorney, may contract to sell a property. Of course, if the person can prove that they are you ie identity fraud, then they may be able to sell the property as well.

    Remember that a sale does require the vendor to sign the transfer document, as well as the agency agreement and the contract of sale. The purchasers lawyer should pick up that if the vendor is Smith and the signatory is Jones, there may be something going on. Proof of identity is usually required.

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    Before rushing in, the biggest bogie will be zoning. Can you find a large site, with access to services which can be rezoned to allow medium density or more than a single dwelling? Speak to a town planner or the TP at council before rushing in.

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    It may depend upon when you get it done. If you get 2 or 3 extra sets cut when you purchase the lock, then it could be argued it is a capital cost, if you are simply replacing lost keys, then it is maintenance.

    Either way, the cost is insignificant (unless you are rekeying a multistorey building).

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    The ETS may have been canned, at least for the moment, however the BCA will be the standard by which all buildings will be constructed.

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    I was only reading yesterday that the proposed changes to the Building Code of Australia will enshrine energy efficiency into the requirements for new houses. These measures will be costly, not attributed to the ETS or other scheme but still affect overall construction costs and affordability.

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    If the 'get out of jail clauses' are so loosely structured, then the vendor may be able to arrange finance or an val to satisfy those conditions. They need to be specific if you are going to be able to rely upon them.

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    The only  thing the vendor has to provide to you is the home warranty insurance for the balance of the period of coverage ie less than 1 year of the six year insurance policy.

    As Linar points out, it simply is not worth anyone's while to go for legal enforcement of a non-contractual item.

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    Generally speaking although both are different forms of Torrens Title ownership, strata title is the lesser of the two forms. That said, each serves a specific purpose eg strata title is best suited where you require access over a common area eg driveway serving several blocks.

    Here's a link from a past forum: https://www.propertyinvesting.com/forums/property-investing/general-property/16144

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    Contrary to your view D, family sizes are growing for the  first time in living memory – this will carry on for a few more years whilst there is a baby bonus being offered.

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