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    Don't worry about bidders. There's no buyers. You will be the only bidder. If there are other bidders then you should think the seller is bidding. If you don't get this one, go for the next one.
    Remember that :

    Houseprice = Second highers bidder price + 1$

    So, if the second highest bidder bids 200.000, you will have to bid 200.001$ and that makes the final price.
    Just bid 60% of what you think you could instantly sell it for ( usually you will get 80% of the 'instant sale price' anyway, so you will get 20% discount. That's a good start.

    Remember : houseprices in Australia are 50% overpriced. Anything you buy now at 60% of the asking price will STILL be overpriced by 10% in the long run. Don't go to extremes, stick to 60% of asking price. Don't go higher, you will ruin it both for you and the other guy bidding ( if there's another guy bidding ).
    the lower hte house sells for, the cheaper the NEXT auctions will be ! So you are a winner no matter if you get the house or not, AS LONG AS you don't bid more than 60%. If you bid 80% or more, you will be the loser, no matter if you get the house or not.

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    Send a friend to bid for you if they know you. And cancel yourself out at the agent, tell them you found something better. That usually pisses them off and scares the shit out of sellers when they hear 'well, the buyer dropped out, we're back at zero again'

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    Can you put your maths here ? Coz 8% return sounds like you are buying the property with a 50% discount :)

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    I've been saying Iran war is unavoidable since February. By the way, fuel prices in holland are already 3$ per litre.
    Saying fuel prices won't reach 2$ or higher is bollocks : They will. I must admit, 8$ is the doom scenario that even I ( Mr. Doom&Gloom ) find a bit on the high side. I think in the years to come fuel will come to about 4$ per litre and stay stable, mainly due to replacement on fuel prices. After fuel has been replaced by other energy, fuel prices could go up to 20$ or more per litre, basically becoming a luxury item rather than a common good. But by that time, it won't matter much anyway, since the world won't be depending on fuel anymore, it will be the few 'V8 Dodge Chargers' etc running through the streets from the yuppies, the rest will own normal electric cars, either powered entirely by solar power, or relying on hydrogen fuel cells or waterpowered or something in the same lines.

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    Yes, it will fall further. What you have seen until now is merely the start.
    The correction is  coming from September 2009 and onwards. ( due to all the mortgages resetting from 6% to 10% interest rates, which will drown 900.000 people almost instantly )

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    Don't invest in property. Stay out of it, don't commit suicide financially.
    That's the only thing you need to know : Property is something to stay away from, just like shares.
    Buy gold or save money on the bank, whichever you like, but do NOT buy shares or property.

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    Devo : It sounds harsh but it seems like some people have a thick skull. Their wrong choice was ALREADY made. They are in deep shit already, they have no clue how deep they are in. They should be panicking and SELLING their mistake before they get foreclosed on and go bankrupt. If they lose their car, their mobility and their ability to work, they will get in even deeper.

    Advice like : "Seek advice" only costs them more money than they already own. It's CLEAR they need to sell.
    There's no other option. Well yes there is another option : Both of you get a high life insurance and roll a dice, if you understand what I mean.

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    LoL… so this is how average prices are calculated :

    REAL house value = 200.000$
    spruiker value ( the profit that spruikers want to make ) = 150.000$

    needed sale price = 350.000$

    Damn.. we need a sale price of 350.000$ to 'push up' the average houseprices. So what do we do ?.. oh man I have a genious plan !.. let's have these suckers pay 350.000$ and we'll give them back 150.000 of our spruiker money, so that our 'average' value goes to 350.000 !! Then we'll advertise THAT price as the legal average price for our suburb ! Yes it's great, I'm sure some sucker will think the average houseprices are 350.000  Mwahahahaaaaa(h)

    Then ( and this is YOU Katta !!! ) some sucker comes and we tell them : You know that the average sales price is 350.000 right ? Just look it up , it's what everyone else paid for their houses !!!
    We'll make a deal with you , you buy it for 360.000 but you get back 50.000 ! That's a great deal, we're actually losing money on this deal you know ?

    And you get suckered in.

    Open your eyes people !!!

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    Hm. At the rate inflation is going up, I am fearing that the USA chose the 'easy' way out. Like I posted earlier already, there are only two ways to solve the house price problem :
    – Deflate houseprices
    – Inflate EVERYTHING else while houseprices stay the same, so houseprices in proportion go down.

    The thing about lemmings is, they can regulate only parts of the market. Things like FED interest rates, printing of money or countrywide regulations like the release of land , are not regulated by lemmings but are regulated by the 'gurus' or the 'experts'.
    Hence my reason to believe that out of the two options, the so called 'experts' would make the right decision , which is anything else except inflation. I don't think the effects of inflation , especially out-of-control inflation like we are seeing today, or even hyperinflation, which is looming now in USA, are completely understood by these 'experts'. It seems that the USA is getting real close to becoming a third world country now, which is  being articulated by the first signs of hyperinflation ( something that you only really see in third world countries ).

    I think the FED has chosen the inflation way out. They have no clue on what effect this will have on their economy, let alone on the future of the USA. I fear that the USA could be overcome by the same problem as USSR. And we all know what happened to USSR. I for one can see the end of the USA as a world power, and maybe even as a 'united states' breaking up into smaller countries.
    This ofcourse is a worst case scenario, but in the end we might be better off without the USA than with them. The FED is the only cause of this massive global creidt problem, and they are doing everything they can to offload their problem to other countries.

    I don't expect anyone to see the real implications of this crisis : But I can tell you , so far we have seen only the very beginning of what is to become the worst financial and economic crash in history, making the 1929 crash look like a breeze.

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    Kaus : Well , at least you can smile and think : "I made someone else rich at my expense"
    The longer you keep your 'investment' property ( excuse the pun ) the more money you will lose.
    I'm afraid you were suckered into something you didn't understand, and you will need to pay the price for the lesson learned.

    At least the spruiker you bought the house from at the huge (overpriced) houseprice got rich from your mistake, so it's not all gone bad : Smile and think you made someone happy ! Don't put your hopes on selling the house because in this market noone really can buy any houses. I'm not sure you heard about credit crisis, 10% interest rates or high oil prices ? Well anyway, there's the high food prices which you must have heard of, or the inflation which nibbles away at people's money.

    Don't worry, you're not the only one : There's 900.000 people like you today, and that number is increasing by 30.000 every week, maybe you should start a club and raise money ( I really mean, raise even MORE tax payers money than you greedy 'investors' are already getting ) to pay for your foolishness and greedyness ?

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    Not paying a deposit tells the seller : "I don't really have any money"
    A smart seller will tell you you can buy it, but in the meantime continue to sell his house to someone else.
    The sale process :
    You pay the seller a deposit
    He pulls it off the market.
    If you don't pay a deposit, you cannot expect the seller to pull it off the market either.

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    god of money : I think blogs was being sarcastic :P
    Everyone knows that property cannot double every 7 years. The simple reason ? Because wages don't double every 7 years, and they have a direct relationship ! It's really that simple.
    That said, I agree with most of what Chick says, except the fact that houseprices cannot drop quickly.
    The whole problem is that people see too late that their house has dropped 50K-100K, they only notice 1 year later, and by that time, it might have dropped another 100K already. The only 'benefit' to this, is that starting investors or 'suckers' will buy up the house are the already too high price. Something that has been done for the last 20 years. Up till now, there was no problem since economy does well, oil was cheap, immigration was high and you could borrow more and more. On top of this, it was 'common knowledge' that houseprices always double every 7 years, so it didn't matter what you bought : 7 years later you would be a millionaire anyway. This led people to get themselves in debt over their heads, and the first few people are now starting to feel the pain.

    The times have changed : House prices no longer go up, and are no longer an excuse for banks to lend you more than you could afford. On top of this, oil is hugely expensive, stock market is dying, war between USA and Iran is looming ( hence I say gold is a good investment ) and inflation is crazy. On top of all this, the whole financial system is in a huge collapse as we speak, and we have a huge credit crisis.

    I don't mean to say "the end is nigh"… but I think anyone who thinks about it will see that indeed "The end is nigh" , financially speaking at least.

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    devo76 wrote:
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    Sav : Every month , houseprices go down by 5% or more.
    Why the hell would you buy now when you can buy for half the price in 1 year ?

    Another crap statement. If houses where to go down 50% in 1 year as you have stated in my area that would mean my house is worth around $150,000. It would cost more than that to build so the land must be worth nothing hey. I will admit that many areas are looking a bit dodgey over the next few years. But if you want to start now look around. There are areas that are not currently in a so called bubble situation. Find them.Pick the best property you can afford. Not the dearest,the best,( Position,sub potential,reno potential,improving local infrastructure and economy). Bargain hard and you will be ok. Sure it may drop a bit more but when the market  turns you will  already be off and racing thinking about the next IP you want to buy>

    Wake up Devo. Haven't you heard ? We're heading global recession, hyperinflation in USA, fannie and freddy are down 90% !!!! What the hell are you thinking ? That your house will be spared ? hahah you amaze me. Houses are being sold cheaper than they cost to build all the time, in fact in USA if you buy a house that costs more than it cost to build, you're a sucker, please wake up and you will see that this is all coming to Australia too, and it will be MUCH worse in Australia. Your house could be worth 300.000 now, in 2 years it will be worth 150.000. Accept it.

    ps : did you hear the newest trend in USA ? "Buy 2, get 1 for free !" ( HOUSES… that is , not vegetables )

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    L.A Aussie wrote:
    Oh, I forgot; you said to buy gold.
    Thanks for that pearl.

    You're welcome. Gold is still the safest investment in these times.
    I predict goldprice higher than 1100, possibly higher than 1200 by march 2009 ( write it down somewhere ). That's about 20% increase.

    Speak to you in January 2009 about that prediction.

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    http://www.news.com.au/business/money/story/0,25479,23961580-5013951,00.html

    Read the comments. 114 comments. 2 comments say "yes, they're right, house prices will go up"
    112 comments say "what a load of bullshit, houses will go down, everyone knows that"

    That's about how the market is divided now. 99% of the people know the market is crashing.
    only 1% thinks house prices will 'boom'. What do you think happens when 99% of the people offload their properties, or lower their prices in order to sell and get out of the property business ? It means more rentals ( lower rent incomes ) and more houses up for sale on the market.

    It's not rocket science, it doesn't take a genius to see what is about to happen.

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    Sav : Every month , houseprices go down by 5% or more.
    Why the hell would you buy now when you can buy for half the price in 1 year ?

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    Hi Behrendorff.

    You describe the current problem, and the reason why I say houseprices will come down. What has happened, is that society USED to take care of their children, they would work hard and leave a better future for their offspring. But the last generation has stolen their offspring's money , their wealth, by pushing houseprices up.
    Now, their offspring cannot buy houses anymore, the immigrants come in empty-handed or with very few cash, and unemployment is rising. The fruits of your parent's generation is now becoming clear : By printing the huge amounts of money that they have done ( the banks ), they have removed YOUR part of that money and taken it for themselves.

    Now, to answer your question as what you can do about it :
    Think about this : 99% of the people looking for homes are in your situation : They cannot pay 500.000 for a piece of wood standing on some piece of land. We have reached a limit on what people can pay for housing, and the buyers cannot afford what the sellers NEED to get in order not to get burnt by their mortgage interest repayments. Now, the sellers will be able to hold out for a few months more, after which 1 by 1 they will be foreclosed by their mortgagers. I suggest you just rent somewhere, or buy a caravan and live cheaply for a while until the houseprices come down to sane levels. Do *not* get yourself in debt. Think of it like a standoff between buyers and sellers : I'm sure the buyers will outsit the sellers. The buyers have no choice since they cannot possibly pay back the mortgage, they cannot afford the houses, houses will HAVE to come down to sane levels for the market to pick up again. So , just wait a bit, save money and make sure you have enough money ready for a down payment, also have a job somewhere so you can get a reasonable mortgage when houses become 'available' again. At this moment, there's a HUGE surplus of houses on the market, none sells : There's no buyers who can afford them.

    Remember : The ones that are in slavery are the ones that have bought houses in the last 3 years.
    Remember that the ones that have no mortgage are not the slaves, they are free.
    Don't become a slave of the capitalists, wait until the whole system falls apart ( which it is doing now ).
    THEN buy a house to LIVE in, not to invest or whatever.

    Houses are made to live in, they should be bought to live in, not for investment purposes. The government is under huge pressure to solve this problem, more and more people lose their work , lose their homes, and lose their hopes. The government's actions so far have been futile : They have been mainly focused at pushing houseprices further up and trying to keep the bubble going. This has not worked because people stopped buying houses : They cannot afford them. So , the government now will have to come up with another measure : Removing tax benefits and thus making houses less interesting for investors, thus lowering prices overall, and making housing affordable to the normal people again, instead of just the elite investors.

    On top of what I have said here, there's a multitude of other problems making this already grave problem worse : Oil prices , unemployment rising , inflation out of control, rising interest rates etc.

    It is too late to punish the ones who have stolen your future, but at least things will get back to normal, and the ones left holding the bag will be the ones who bought houses between 2006 and 2009. Anyone who bought a house in those times will get bankrupt, or at least lose a LOT of money ( 20-30 years worth of savings for instance ).

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    Well, anywhere else the houses are overpriced. What did you expect ? To buy a penthouse in Sydney for 8.000.000 with a 50.000 wage ? I'm just telling you what your options are : Close to none.

    And together with you , 99% of the people looking for houses have 0 options either. So , houseprice will come down since noone can afford them. Easy enough. Don't invest in property for at least a few years.

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    The share market. But not yet.
    If you don't like taking risks, buy government bonds.

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    But.. but… ANZ told us that houseprices will boom again very soon !!
    How is this possible ? Have they lied to us ?… oh no how can they be so evil, it's almost like ANZ will tumble over soon… oooh no poor ANZ.

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