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    Hi Jamie,

    I only have one property. This has been an IP while I rented elsewhere. I then moved into my IP making it a PPOR for the last few months. I now plan to move out making it an IP again while I again rent elsewhere. All the time I have had a principal and interest loan with a redraw facility on this property. I have managed to pay extra into the loan and now have an LVR of about 30%. So I now plan to use the extra payments plus some equity release for a deposit on a second property which will also be an IP. My long term strategy is not to live in any property that I own and to always rent where I live so as to maximise deductible debt. I also hope that by temporarily moving into my current property (which settled in late 2005) I have effectively reset the six year rule when it comes to capital gain exemption.

    Recently I learnt that the ATO treats the use of redraw differently depending on intended purpose. So now I plan to convert my current redraw facility to an offset facility to right the ship as far as the ATO goes before going ahead with second property purchase which will also be an IP. Thus I plan to have two IPs both with separate loans with their own offset facility. I will rent elsewhere.

    Hopefully my thinking is becoming more informed everyday……….

    I hear what what you are saying about the loan applications. Definitely something to make sure about!

    Cheers

    RZ

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    Thanks to everyone.

    It's clear to me now.

    I have used redraw many times since first establishing the loan and I reckon I would be pretty unlucky to get an ATO auditor to be so meticulous as to go through everything.

    I now plan to convert existing loan to offset before using the extra payments for deposit on second IP. I will set up the second IP loan with offset also (no cross-collateralisation between IPs). Also will make both loans IO.

    And yeah definitely shop around for best deals. I agree with you Terryw about CBA. Time to break up with the bank!

    Thanks everyone for their input.

    RZ

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    Thanks Trish.

    I have not heard of them before. I checked their website out already.

    I add them to the list of people to check out.

    Cheers

    RZ

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    I don't have a MISA just a standard redraw and no offset. I just wanted the least amount of features. At the time I figured that would mean that the bank would be more flexible on negotiating a better interest rate.

    Obviously I didn't know back then about the way the ATO treats the use of redraw funds when coming to claiming interest deductions. Otherwise I would have gone the offset.

    Actually to be honest I still do not understand why having the extra funds in an offset as opposed to a redraw facility makes any difference at all to the ATO. Why should someone be penalised for having redraw facility as opposed to an offset facility if they are in essence the same when it comes to interest liability calculations or am I missing something.

    If they are the same thing has anyone sought a private ruling from the ATO on this?

    In the mean time (while pondering the above) I will read my current loan contract before going out to the lenders to see what I can get…….

    Cheers RZ

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    EV: 

    My situation involved IP –> PPOR –> IP conversion with personal use of redraw in between so I think you're definitely right. It is time for me to get professional advice and start buiding the "critical" team of people around me that people so often talk about. Makes sense.

    Jamie:

    0.9% beats 07% any day of the week. I'll be interested to see the premium (with regards interest rate difference) lenders charge for offset over redraw. Only one way to find out and that is ACTION.

    Thanks for sharing guys. I reckon this forum is great. Always timely and detailed responses.

    Keep 'em coming for us less knowledgeable types…….

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    Hi Michael,

    Thanks for taking the time and the detailed response.

    I was sort of thinking that I may have done the wrong thing. Oh well, live and learn I guess. That is the beauty of this forum. I can benefit from others knowledge and they can benefit from my errors…. :-)

    They rate discount of 0.7% was what I obtained 6 years ago and I expect you are right about being able to obtain a better one nowadays.

    So I'm off to the bank to see what they have to say about the offset.

    So once I get an offset account do I then just transfer over the redraw monies to the offset account and all is now good with the ATO as far a deductability of interest goes?

    Is it normal for people to have their salary put into their offset account or do people have a separate "living money" account which receives their salary then they transfer over what the max they can each month to the offset account?

    Any further comments appreciated.

    I would like to optimise my position this time aand not be such a goose!

    RZ

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    Hey DWolfe,

    Not really sure why Jellis Craig or Marshall White to tell the truth. They just seemed to me to be a couple of the bigger players selling real estate in the Hawthorn area so I guessed they may be popular among other IP owners who might use them as PMs. I have not considered a smaller agency in the past but I guess you are right when you say there are many PMs out there and the only way to really know who is good or bad is to try one, and vote with the feet if the milk turns out to be sour.

    RZ

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    Thanks for the quick replies. Always nice to know someone is out there.

    I haven't even thought of renting out the 2nd room……..pretty obvious to some I guess but after years of single living common sense becomes less common. Definitely the easiest way to reduce costs.

    The place is a little tired after 5 years of being rented out so will definitely try to turn my not so handy hands to simple touch up stuff.

    If I understand things right I could still benefit from the six year rule even if I move into it now and use it for a PPOR but sell it within 6 yrs of original settlement. I have not had any PPOR to date. Is my understanding right?

    Not that I'm thinking off selling but nice to know all the options.

    RZ

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