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Why wouldn’t people want to invest in a discretionary trust together if they are both appointers and they are both directors in the company that is the trustee of the trust? Wouldn’t that then work?
I have not learned about unit trusts? Why are they better that discretionary trusts for investing with non-relatives?
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Email MeI just want to ask why the subdivision will cost $15k? Do subdivisions usually cost that much?
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Email MeJust wanted to throw out a big thanks for this post. This is very thought provoking. I have never thought of using property options as a way to make money from property. So this is an exciting road to look down.
I defiantely won’t do this any time soon. But it is definately a viable option for me in the future.
Has anyone done options on property in Australia? I would love to hear your story.
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Email MeSorry you need to explain this in layman’s terms.
Are you saying that you simply need to disclose the vendor loan to the bank and they count it as a personal loan (if it is not secured against the property), or they count it as a second mortgage if they the loan is secured with the property.
What are you saying about the installment contracts?
As I said before I haven’t done anything fraudulently. I haven’t yet applied for any vendor finance loans. Only regular loans.
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Email MeThank you so much. My friend hear this from an accountant…obviously the accountant didn’t know what he was talking about.
This is really good to know for everyone, especially people who invest together. Investing together using your own names is the worst, because you are both liable not only for your own actions but also for the actions of your partner. So using trusts is a great way to fix that problem,
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Email MeI agree. It is so frustrating that I cannot get a hold of relevant data for a decent price. It kills me and it is so frustrating.
Thanks for this post…whether anything will change…I don’t know. But it is good that people are making the problem aware.
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Email MeUnfortunately I live in Sydney, but this is a great idea. Can you please update a post with how many people came and how it worked.
I really want to start networking with people in property. This is a great idea.
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Email MeI have found that I prefer to use franchise real estate agents (such as L.J.Hooker or Raine & Horne) instead of small local real estate agents. I have found that they are easier to work with and are better to work with. But obviously this is not always the case.
Real estate agents generally charge 7-8% of the rental income of a property. They also charge 110% of one weeks rent every time they need to lease the property out to a new tenant.Ryan McLean
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Email MeWhat is your investment strategy. Why did you buy land? What do you want to do with it?
Do you want to build on it? Do you want to simply hold it?
You say you need to stop your self from going under. What do you mean by that? Are your loan repayments too big?
Please explain yourself more so we can help you better. What are you trying to achieve with your land?
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Email MeDon’t let anyone tell you not to do it if it fits into your investment strategy.
Be careful because there could be a lot of hidden costs. If it is in a park then you might have quarterly fees and you might actually not be legally allowed to rent it out to a long term tenant. But if you have looked at all these hidden costs and it still works out for you then it could be a viable option.Financing will be hard. If you already own a property you could max out the equity on that property and then just use the cash to buy the property. Or you may be able to do some vendor finance on the property (it is worth making an offer for vendor finance). But yes, otherwise you may have trouble finding a lender. You might have to go with an untraditional lender and pay a higher interest rate.
Good luck with everything
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Email MeThe population of Gladstone is over 45,000 people. Bank don’t tend to lend more than 80% LVR on towns with under 10,000 people. So with a town of 45,000 you should be fine for a 90-95% LVR.
May I ask…is the property positive cash flowed?
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Email MeWhy not make a low ball offer? Just explain why you have made the low ball offer. Tell the real estate agent that is sold for X only 2 years ago and due to the commercial zoning you don’t believe it is worth the current price. See what they come back with. The Vendor might counter offer.
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Email Me@mr Elmo – What made you choose their course over all the others? Moving into property renovation full time is a big step, so congratulations. I hope you have done some renovations before and had some success, because it might be stressful otherwise if you are out of work and you fail to make a profit on one of your projects.
Have you ever thought about investing in positive cash flow property to supplement your income. Depending on your savings and borrowing power you could likely have enough money to be financially free in a couple of years just by investing in positive cash flow property. You could even buy property that is CF+ but needs some TLC and then renovate to increase the rent.
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Email MeI don’t know a lot about unit trusts, but I know a little about discretionary trusts. One thing you need to check with discretionary trusts is whether friends can create one together…someone told me it is only a family trust. But I don’t know if this is true.
Obviously you are creating your trust structure for asset protection and ease of finance. You probably don’t need to create 3 trusts to buy the property, only one. If you can create a discretionary trust with friends then you could start the trust, with all 3 of you as named beneficiaries, and all three of you as appointers (appointers have ultimate power is to who the trustee is), Then you could create a non trading company) in which you each are directors and each own one share to act as the trustee.
If someone hurts them self at the property they will sue the trust. If the trust has been negligent then insurance will not cover the claim so they will get whatever the trust owns. If the land in the trust does not completely cover the law suit they then move up to the trustee and sue the trustee. This is why you have the company as the trustee.
The directors of a company are only liable for the workings of that company if it is trading insolvently. If you have a non trading company this cannot happen. Thus the company is liqified, they get the $3 worth of shares and the law suit stops. Your other personal assets are not at stake.
Technically you only own a $1 share in a company, the trust owns the land. So if someone sues you personally then they get your share in the company. You can then (I think) create a new company and as the appointer, get rid of the first company as trustee and appoint your new company as trustee. So you never lose your property.
Don’t take all this as law though. I am not an accountant so see an accountant before doing anything.
Hopefully you can create a discretionary trust with friends. I don’t know much about unit trusts sorry.
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Email MeJust be careful of over extending yourself when it comes to leveraging the banks money. Interest rates are going up so before purchasing you should take into account at least a 2% interest rate rise over the next 2-3 years. If you can afford it and still remain cash flow positive then you might have a great deal on your hands.
Also make sure you have the borrowing capacity to buy the second property. If you are going to a second bank then they may not take a friendly to you because they can’t cross collatirilize your loans.
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Email MeThis is great. Has the bank already valued the property? Because often lenders will not value the property above the purchase price as they want to limit their risk.
If you want to buy a second investment property then why not go the route of a 400k loan so you have have money in your offset account ready to go for the next investment? This will save you having to reapply for an equity loan.Looks like you have put yourself in a good position for investing. The ability to get a 100% loan is extremely rare so you are one of the lucky few…well done.
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Email MeWhen you say it costs A LOT! how much are we talking about? Like hundreds of dollars? Thousands of dollars? or multiple thousands of dollars? The property is pretty cheap (around $100k) so spending 5k on changing two wall panels doesn’t seem to be worth the worry. It would veto the entire investment.
So how much are we talking?
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Email MeYeh those older style box units are UGLY!!! I doubt you could get away with building those things these days. As RHPlanning said, the council may ask you to dress them up to make them look better and not blight the surrounding area. If the demand is there for 1 bedroom units and you think that this will get you a better return on investment then look into it more. You may not be able to build 70's style units, but you can probably build some sort of units if the council permits you do. This is something I don't know a lot about but want to do in the future as it has the potential to create a killer cashflow and profit if you do it correctly. Keep us updated because I would love to see how this goes
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Email MeDo you value your sanity?
If the answer is yes then get the builder to do as much as possible. Don’t just settle with one builder because he came and gave you a quote…get a few quotes from a few builders and see what is negotiable on price. You never know…the builder may be happy to offload some things onto you.
I think the amount of money you save by outsourcing away from the builder you will end up paying in lost time and interest repayments…not to mention you will pay for it with stress. Not everyone is cut out for that stress…
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Email MeThe wall may be load bearing, in which case it will be expensive to remove as you will need to install struts in the roof to carry the load. Sonyasal is right, you will also need to deal with body corporate and get their permission to make strucutral changes. If it is not load bearing and it adds value to the apartment then I don’t see why you should have any problems, you just have to be aware of the expenses that it might incur. It is not as simple and doing it in a house.
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