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    @ DWolfe – I do agree with you. People coming onto a forum like this and asking “How can I get rich quick?” deserve one work answers. The interesting thing is that even if you told them an EXACT method for getting rich quick in property they probably won’t do it. It still requires study and hard work, which most people wanting to get rich quick aren’t willing to do….yet they are willing to work 9-5 in a job they hate….go figure.

    At the end of the day you need to have your own investment strategy that you can focus on to achieve results. There are quick ways to make money, if you are dedicated enough. Asking “How to get rich quick?” in a forum as broad as this one doesn’t show dedication to me :)

    Still I like to throw out a decent response and get the conversation going

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    @ David – Not interested at the moment. I am a very focused investor and at the moment I am focusing on positive cash flow deals. They are the easiest way to make in the property market (I think). Once I have more cash flow and more time on my hands then I will try my hand at property options just for the fun and challenge of it.

    @ Boogz – Have you ever thought about investing in positive cash flow property? It doesn’t have to be expensive. I am about to close on a property that is costing me 18k to invest in and produces about $20/week positive cash flow and should produce about $50-$70/week in 6 months time (after some minor renovations).

    There are lot of methods to investing. I am not against Mark Rolton, in fact I don’t even know who he is. But I have tried my hand at vendor finance and even that can be extremely difficult and the opportunities for vendor finance are few and far between. I can imagine options would be even harder. Most vendors don’t have a clue what you are talking about when you mention vendor finance or options. Even most real estate agents have a hard time.

    It can be done…yes. But needs a lot of practice and education. The paperwork needs to be precise so you will probably need a good solicitor. It is not as easy as the make out to be (though once you have done a few deals it will be as easy as they make it out to be)

    Good luck

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    I would suggest a lot of research as there are not many people who can do this successfully. Yes there can be a lot of money made in this area, with very little input, but you need to be very educated or have very good advisors in property and law.

    It might be worth studying this for some time while trying some simpler investment strategies to get a hang of property investing. You only own one property so there is still a lot to learn, and to enter into such a risky and difficult method of investing could be heart breaking if you are not 100% dedicated.

    You have probably read Steve’s books. If you have they you might want to think about starting by investing in some positive cash flow property and learn the tricks of the trade.

    But, by all means, go ahead with it. Just make sure you educate yourself and realise that it may be a hard slog in the first couple of years as you learn the ropes. Good luck.

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    Discretionary trusts are great because you don’t have to change ownership of the property when you die and thus do not pay CG tax. You can state yourself as the only named beneficiary and then have your relatives in 3 directions as unnamed beneficiaries.

    This means when you die, you can simply change the trustee, and your children can take control of the property.

    As for not paying CG tax. The only method I know is establishing this place as your principle place of residence (PPOR). Putting it in a trust does not cancel out capital gains tax as far as I am aware.

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    Are the properties subdivided? Are they or a torrens title?

    How can you determine that they are 10-15k under valued. This sounds like a pretty lose valuation. Have you gotten quotes from real estate agents on the values upon completion?

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    You should probably put this post in the commercial property section of the forum.

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    I have a friend who is going through this situation (as the son in law) and truthfully it frustrates me. Your son/daughter has chosen their spouse for (hopefully) good reasons, and one of the important things to them will be you placing your trust in that spouse.

    When you get married you decide what’s mine is yours and what’s yours in mine. By giving a gift that is limited to only your child and not his/her spouse you are indirectly causing a violation in their decision to each other. They are now living as one unit, one family unit, and I believe it is important for parents to recognize that.

    At the end of the day I believe it is more important for your child to know that you approve of their spouse in every way (no matter what happens, even if they eventually get divorced) than trying to protect whatever gift you may be giving and nullifying any trust you place in your child to choose the right spouse.

    This is obviously something I feel strongly about. I know I wouldn’t be where I was today if my wife’s parents didn’t trust me to take complete care of my wife. If they were to offer a gift, but it contained the limits you want to put on yours, I would see that as a personal offense and would refuse it.

    I don’t expect you to take this advice, or even agree with me. I understand the need to protect your finances from poachers if it is a lot (which at the moment I don’t know if it is…A few million dollars in a few decades will be chump change because of inflation.

    Think about the money….yes….but think more about the relationship with your new child in law and what that is worth. I would trust my child enough to give the gift to BOTH of them.

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    Be careful because when you put your loans with the same bank they are automatically cross colateralised.
    This means that if you default on one loan and your property doesn’t pay back the loan in full they can force the sale of your other property. So for that reason it might be better to stay with different banks.

    At the moment you seem leveraged to the hilt with your properties. I know Bank West have cheaper interest than most other banks (and St George do a pretty good home loan too), but I doubt you could avoid paying the lender’s insurance.

    You could wait until you have more equity in your properties and then refinance. It might be worth seeing a mortgage broker to ensure you get the best deal.

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    Good luck with your investing in that area?

    I always am interested to know why people choose the areas they choose. Why did you choose this specific part of brisbane?

    Helps me to know how people make investment decisions so I can know how to help them. :)

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    Another point, which you may not have thought of. Is that cash itself is a liability…it goes down in value every year.

    Because of inflation the value of the dollar becomes less and less every year (generally by 3-5%)

    By using your money as a lump sum to pay off your loan you are effectively ‘buying’ cash. You are buying something that will go down in value between 3-5% a year.

    If you use your money to buy a property you will be buying an asset that goes up in value each year.

    The decision is ultimately yours, but think about the idea of buying cash which goes down in value vs. buying a property that goes up in value.

    Plus with a positive cash flow property (and they do exist) you can make as much if not more than you would save by paying off your loan.

    Again just an idea.

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    If I was in your shoes here is what I would do (not saying you should do this just giving my ideas).

    Keep your original property (which I assume is your home and you aren’t renting out). Allow it to grow in value over the next two years. In two years time, when you will be wanting to inject your capital you might have an 80% LVR anyway. In which case see a mortgage broker and look at refinancing so you can get a lower interest rate and less fees.

    Then take your savings and invest in a positive cash flow property. This way you will receive both capital growth and growth in rental income over the years, increasing your ability to save a deposit or to pay off your existing loans.

    I am about to settle on a property this week that is positive cash flow and just cost me $18,000 to buy. You are saving around $18,000 per year, so it could even be possible for you to buy 1-3 smaller investments without having to wait to save the entire $60k+. Then the positive cash flow an growth from these properties would boost both your income and your equity and allow you to invest in more and more properties.

    Be smart with your money.

    If I was you I would use it to build my portfolio as quickly as possible (while keeping an 80% LVR).

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    Does sound like a complete sales pitch, which is fine but probably not the right section for it. I don’t think investing in property in Mandura is exactly “creative investing”.

    Having said all that I know people who live in Mandura and it has had HUGE growth over the last few years. Especially with the addition of the motorway to perth. Knowing what I know now I would definately have bought there. But the question is whether or not the growth has stabalised or whether it is still going.

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    I tend to avoid the overseas deals forum at the moment as I know nothing about investing overseas. But then maybe that is why I should read it…so I can learn more.
    On a different note it is amazing to see you guys who have thousands of posts. Richard currently has over 6,800 as I am reading this!!! I am amazed. Hopefully I will be able to contribute that much over the next few years. I definately plan on becoming an active member of this forum. This is my 100th post :)

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    This is a very clever idea and one I have never thought of. It is a way to get some positive cash flow, without the huge outlet of an immediate deposit or a huge loan from the bank. You could use your positive cash flow to help save your deposit so you don’t have to borrow as much from the bank, and hopefully in those couple of year the property goes up in value so the lenders will like you even more.

    The only problem is finding a vendor who is desperate enough to do it!

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    Wow people don’t seem to be giving out much information in this post.

    There are loads of ways to make money quickly in property. One way is to buy, subdivide and sell both blocks. Or you could buy, subdivide and sell one block and keep the other. This generally takes about 12 months though.

    Another way is to buy under valued and flip the property for a profit.

    You could buy land, build town houses or apartments and sell them off.

    You could buy units that are still under one title, split them into torrens titled and sell them off separately.

    Hope that helps. If you want long term help finding positive cashflow properties then check out my site :)

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    Sometimes it can be hard to get lending for these properties. You might have a maximum 80% LVR that you can achieve, and they might be harder to sell as well. But if they work into your investment strategy then I don’t see why they can’t be a viable investment.

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    @ TerryW – That is a HUGE assumption to make! and more importantly is completely untrue. You never know what capital gains are going to be. I wouldn’t personally invest in a town that was declining rapidly in population, but I would never rule out a rural property just because you think capital gains are going to be better elsewhere.

    Think about this, what can you afford more? 10 properties worth $100,000 each that put $100/month into your pocket, or one $400,000 property that costs you $1,000/month?

    What do you get my CG’s on?
    10x$100,000 properties earning 4% capital gains = $40,000/year
    1x$400,000 property earning 8% capital gains = $32,000/year

    Rural towns can actually help you afford more property and therefore get more overall capital gains, even if the percentage capital gains is less.

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    No I don’t believe that is accurate at all. When you buy a property, you are only free from paying the capital gains tax for the period it is your primary place of residence. Don’t take this as ‘law’ but I am pretty sure that if you build and live in it for two years you won’t pay capital gains tax for the 2 years you lived in it…but you will pay capital gains tax on the rest.

    A better way to access your money could be through an equity loan. You don’t pay capital gains tax on equity loans, it is effectively tax free money until you sell the property. But you can then use that money to go and buy other investment properties.

    What I would do if I was in your shoes (and you can bet there are hundreds of people on this forum wishing they were in your shoes) is I would keep the block of land. With growth that good why sell it? Then bit by bit get equity loans to purchase positive cashflow properties. The positive cashflow properties can help to supplement your income and make your financially free. The land acts as a means to buy those properties. You can easily easily easily become financially free if you have over $1 million in equity!!!!

    I run a service that find positive cash flow properties for people. You should check it out (the link is in my signature)

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    Oh ok,

    So could Bill have 51 Units and Ted had 49 units?

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    So I unit trust allows you to define how much income each person receives?

    Or instead of a person the income can go into a discretionary trust, in which that trust can send the money to their beneficieries.

    Let me use an example to see if I got this right.

    Bill and Ted invest together in Property A. Bill and Ted each want 50% of the profits. They set up a unit trust with a company as the trustee and both of them as appointers. Each of them has a “unit” in the trust that defines the income they recieve (50%)? Is that right?

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