@ Veronique – Fair enough. Thanks for trying to help
I really like this forum because everyone in it is trying to help everyone else. It is really selfless and a great place to gather ideas and information. Thanks to Steve McKnight for hosting it for us.
@ozimwassabi – Conspiracy…defiantely not. It is a well known fact in the real estate industry that a lot of people who put their property up for auction are actually hoping to sell before auction. A friend of mine recently did this on a block of land he owned. He put it up for auction but sold the property before the auction ever happened.
The lesson to learn is that you can make offers on places even before they go to auction.
@ number 8 – I like the idea of having a mortgage broker mentor you. But finding a mortgage broker who is ALSO a successful investor, using the exact same method you want to use sounds difficult.
I definately support using mentors to grow in your wisdom, if you can find them
@ Duckster – This vendor isn’t interested in vendor finance unfortunately
@keiko – This is one property that is valued at 15% under. It is positive cash flow at the higher price, and I might even still be interested at the higher price (it offers 5.5% cash on cash return, and once renovated around a 12% cash on cash return.) So it is a good deal, and I think the price is fair considering what other properties in the area are selling for. But the banks obviously don’t agree.
Just because it has happened with one property doesn’t mean it always happens. Just thought I would state that.
I missed the property update. Had a baby a couple of weeks ago and forgot to get a ticket. I will definately be going to the next one. The cost is nothing…$30. Glad you had a good time.
Keep us updated and let us know when you get any offers/ make a sale.
I would never take advice from the Sunday Telegraph. They print stories to sell papers, they don’t necessarily print fact. Plus it is unlikely that the journalists at the Tele are property investors also.
Learn about growth indicators and then do some research yourself. If the suburb appears in the paper that could mean that the boom is now over…(remember 3,000,000 other people read the same story and will now want to invest in those suburbs….hiking up prices).
My first investment property is costing me less than $18,000 to buy (including all costs) and I don’t have to afford the repayments because the property is positive cash flow.
My strategy (to begin with) is to buy cheap positive cash flow property. Do the property up, increase rents, making it even more positive cash flowed and then move onto the next one. Each time using the cash flow from each property to fund my lifestyle.
I am not a big fan of the “Live frugally, save money”. I think the smarter you are at investing the less money you need, so instead of waiting to have time and money, I have decided to make investing a little more difficult and have as much as both as possible in the beginning and throughout.
For $30,000 you could easily buy a positive cash flow property that could generate you upwards of $20-$30/week. Then if you love renovating you could renovate it and get $50+/week. Each year your income will go up (because rents go up) making your richer and richer.
I can’t tell you specifically where to buy. But I wish you luck. If you get desperate check out my site I can easily find properties for you if you can’t find them yourself.
Thanks for the intro. It is good to meet some young people like myself (I am only 22) who are also in love with property investing. I have wanted to invest in property since I was 14 or 15, and only now am I in a position where I can actually do it.
I hope you enjoy the forums. You will see my face around here from time to time. I have started becoming a pretty active member and it has been an incredible experience for me. Hope you can learn as much from this place as I have.
I agree that time is our number one asset. I decided early on (and I am still only 22) that time is my most important asset and that I wanted to spend that time with my family. It was because of this value that my wife and I have always worked part time. We manage to live really well off what most people would be scared of earning. We had loads of free time to spend with our new edition and I get to spend my free time learning about investing and actually investing.
I have a few strategies in place that should see us financially free in 5 years. I don’t think I would make a tree change myself, but I am definately looking forward to the days where money is not something you have to think about and constantly count so you don’t run out of it.
Do a realestate.com.au search and search by area. You can search for entire districts. You can’t search ALL of brisbane…but you should be able to search council districts and this should make your search easier. Just put in 200k as your max price and ka-bam it will only list properties under 200k
Interesting method of trying to find places for your clients. I have no objection to it, I am just intrigued.
Wouldn’t it just be easier to trawl RE and domain?
I am personally not a fan of auctions. It is not just that you can get carried away, but it is that other people get carried away and thus you cannot secure the property for the price you want.
I also like negotiating terms, and therefore auctions don’t work well for me.
So I just ignore properties that go to auction. I am a focused investor so I can’t afford to waste my time at auctions
@ Wealth4Life – There is definate value in doing a mentorship program such as Steve’s RESULTS program. I believe people need to have a personalised strategy when it comes to investing if they are going to succeed. They need to know their goals and how to get there.
My site exists to help people who want to buy positive cash flow properties find them. My story is that I have always loved property investing ever since I was a kid. After reading Steve’s books and doing a lot of study I decided positive cash flow property was the way I wanted to invest. I spent years and hundreds of hours trawling the net for positive cash flow properties. In the end I got really good at finding them, but didn’t have the finance to buy them.
So I created my site to save people the hundreds of hours I spent searching the net. It is not for everyone, it is for people who know what they want…but need a little help finding it. It’s not just a flashy site with a catchy name, it exists to help people. I hope that explains things a bit more for everyone.
@ Byron – I would only recommend my site if you have an investment plan in place and know what you want and are ready to invest. Get preapproval from the banks, know your goal income, know the returns you want to achieve. Then if after all that you still think positive cash flow property is the way to go and need some help consider my site.
Firstly, you can’t ask what would be better from a tax perspective without giving detail. If you are buying for growth the PPOR might be better for tax reasons because you can get a discount on the capital gains tax, if you are buying to hold an IP might be better because you can claim more things on tax. It depends on your situation.
I never invest for tax reasons only. I seems stupid to invest so I can lose a dollar and get 30 cents back. It is fools who invest only for tax reasons. I invest to make money first…then I look at how to best minimise my tax.
Here is how I understand equity works.
Say you own a $100,000 property and you owe $50,000 on the mortgage. You effectively have $50,000 of equity (or you could say ownership) of the property. The banks will lend you 80% of the properties value. So in this case they might lend you a total of $80,000.
In the case that you already have a $50,000 mortgage you will be able to borrow a further $30,000 ($50,000+$30,000=$80,000=80%)
You can either get an equity loan and draw out cash, and then use the case to purchase another property. Or you can buy a property using your equity as a security for your second property. So instead of taking cash out and then moving it to the next property, the bank assume security on the first property for the 20% (or however much) on the second property.
If the property is brand new you can generally claim more in depreciation…which can help your tax deductions
The vendor might be able to sell the property, but they will have to sell the property WITH the option attached to it. This means if the developer wants to exercise his option on the new owner then the new owner has no choice. The only problem will be trying to find a buyer who will buy a property with an option on it.
Most people don’t understand these things and will simply steer clear of them.
If they just want to sell their house now anyway, then why bother with the option at all. Will it add value or take value away? They could just sell the house and ignore the developers option. Or if they are going to go for the option, why not wait out 2 years and rent the property out while waiting to sell?
Just make sure you secure the option, so they that money is theirs (and they can use it for future investments), and that the developer has no way of bailing out and taking their option with them
Be careful buying negative cash flow property through a trust. My accountants advised me against it. You can’t pass losses through a trust. One of the major benefits of negative gearing is the tax benefit you get (if you are in a high tax bracket). If you invest with a trust you will forfeit those tax benefits.
As far as I am aware you cannot ADD a loss to your cash flow in a trust. Depreciation is a phantom loss, it doesn’t involve money out the door…it is just a loss on paper. I would look into how those losses work within a trust. I have a feeling they might be different from the usual mode of investing in your own name.
It is good to get your foot in the door, but not in the wrong door…and yes in property investing there are wrong doors and right doors.
For example if you wanted to generate passive income from your property investments to fund your lifestyle then buying a negatively cash flowed property would be putting your foot in the wrong door. Yes you might get growth to invest with later, but if you plan was to get passive income you would be taking a huge risk buying a negative property.
@ EvaCD – What you said is brilliant. Because rental markets can move up so quickly if you buy a property with a tenant (on a long term lease) it can be a lot harder to get market rent because you have to wait until the lease ends.
I don’t understand why people sell because of problem tenants…why don’t they just kick them out?