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    Hi Richard,

    Just wondering what makes you say that the loan from a $369,000 property would be more than $550/week. If you have just a 5% deposit and a 95% loan ($350.550) at 8% (which to my knowledge is higher than lenders at the moment, but seems to be where interest rates are heading) then your weekly I/O repayments will be around $539.
    $350,550 x 0.08 / 52 = ~$539/week

    Yes, they would definately be higher if it was P&I, but if it was interest only would it be more? Is there something I am missing that would make the payments higher? Maybe fees, or did I calculate wrong?

    @ Sharon – Correct me anyone if I am wrong (because I could be), but I thought vendor finance was where the vendor of the property you are buying holds back some of the cost of the property. Eg, on a $400,000 property you might pay $300,000 on settlement and the remaining $100,000 over 5 years at whatever percentage. I don’t think you can pick a house you like and then ask someone else for vendor finance. If you found a house you like then you would need to approach that vendor (the current owner) to hold back some of the finance. I know there might be other tricky way to do it, but I thought this was how vendor finance usually worked. Am I right or wrong?

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    These are things that I found helpful when I first went to buy a property. I am a bit confused whether you want to know steps for things to do before starting up a company, or steps of things to do before buying a property.

    The structure I use is a discretionary trust with a NON trading company as the trustee. This is because the directors of a company can in some cases be liable for the actions of the company if the company is trading insolvently. If you company doesn’t trade then it cannot be trading insolvently and thus you cannot be liable.

    I saw an accountant to set up my company and trust. When it comes to trusts they need to be worded correctly and thus I wasn’t comfortable doing it myself. I was happier to pay the $500-$600 in accountancy fees to make sure I got it right. A friend of mine set up a company by himself (not for property investing but for business), but he is great at researching and understanding legal jargon. I am not, and thus I realise my limitations and pay for someone to fill them.

    Have pre-approval ready. The problem I came across was that we had pre-approval to buy it in our own names. But in the end we ended up wanting to purchase in a trust/company structure and were therefore passed onto the business section and our pre-approval didn’t carry over so we had to get it all over again. Having pre-approval for your trust would save you time.

    I also agree with Richard that there are advantages and disadvantages to buying in a trust. It is important to do your research before deciding.

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    Hey oo3c,

    I was listening to Steve McKnight the other day (so this comes from his mouth not my experience) and he said that you want to buy structurally sound ugly properties. He said (I think more as a rule of thumb than anything) that if you can’t see it, then it doesn’t add as much value as it costs. For example, restumping, fixing termite damage in the walls. If you can’t see it then it is likely it will not add as much value as you put into it. However, if you can see it (like a kitchen and bathroom) then there is the chance of adding value.
    s for the $20k on adding value or not, it really depends. I know that is not what you want to hear, but if you know what you are doing you could spend $20k on a new kitchen and bathroom and add a heap of value to the property. If you don’t know what you are doing then you might not add value.
    My parents recently sold their house and they weren’t willing to redo the kitchen. So we bought new handles for the doors and we painted over the timber skirtings. All it cost us was less than $100 and the real estate agents came back 2 months later and thought it was a new kitchen!!!
    So if you know what you are doing, then yes a kitchen and bathroom can sell a house. We got my parents house valued at $730k-$750k just before we renovated. After we spent 2 weeks and $1,000 on the property it sold for $825k. That could be the market moving very quickly (which it was) but a lot of it (I think) was the presentation.

    So to conclude a long winded explanation. Spending $20k can make you your money back and some if you use it wisely. Why else would so many people spend money and time renovating for profit?

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    CG – Capital Gains
    CF – Cash Flow

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    Hey Chriscarman,

    Just wanted to thank you for bringing this up. I have been in contact with the moderator and this has really helped me understand how best to go about using this forum. I have official learned my lesson, so thanks for bringing it into the light.

    Hopefully now we can move on and get on with helping each other out. :)

    Ryan

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    DWolfe wrote:
    He has seen the light!!!

    Don't worry Ryan. many people have their hearts in the right place, they just don't understand that the comments they make can be seen in a negative light too. If you stick to genuine posts (maybe a few LESS posts) then people will see that you are genuine in your intentions.

    The idea is to help when you can and not post when you can't, unless you are very fired up! I think everyone is guilty of a lot of posts when they first get here because most of the time they can't talk property to anyone at home. You are also not the first to get ganged up on, so don't feel too bad.

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    Haha I have seen the light!

    I guess you are right, I have gotten extremely carried away. I contacted the moderator of the forum, so hopefully he also knows my intentions are good and won’t ban me from the forum.

    I will take your advice and post a little less (though I don’t know if I can resist posting a lot…but I will try), and I will avoid the threads where I don’t know what I’m talking about, and help out in the threads where I do know what I am talking about.

    I also removed my signature for the time being, to show people I am serious, so hopefully the ganging up on will stop ;)

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    As far as I have been told by the banks and mortgage brokers it would be extremely difficult to secure an interest only loan for 25-30 years. Usually banks do interest only loans with a term of 5 years, after which you are required to renew your loan. You can renew at interest only, or it might (in 5 year time) be affordable for you to do principle and interest.

    Just so you know, house’s aren’t exactly cheap to build. If you have a budget of $330k and you want to buy a block of land and build on it, then you will have to find a pretty cheap block of land. Reading the posts in the forums people are spending over $200k just to build their buildings and if ouchiemama is right and houses are around $500k then you might have your work cut out for you. Not saying it can’t be done…just saying you might need to look hard.

    Here is a thread regarding a Perth networking meeting https://www.propertyinvesting.com/forums/community/heads-up/4331209

    As for the Capital Gains Tax as far as I am aware the tax office would definately remember you renting the place out for your first year. I think you pay capital gains tax on the amount of time the property was an investment and not your principle place of residence. So if you rented it out for one year and lived in it for 10 then when you sold you would pay 1/11th of the capital gains tax.

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    The risk you run in on-selling the property is that you cannot sell it before settlement, which means you will have to settle and buy the property. If this happens then you will eventually need bank approval for the whole loan, otherwise you will risk losing your 5%.

    I haven’t done any off the plan stuff yet, but for all I have read and seen buying off the plan and on-selling can be a great strategy in a hot market. If the property will grow in value between when you put your deposit down and when you plan to on-sell it then you stand a good chance of making some money. If the market isn’t hot and the price goes down then it is unlikely you will be able to onsell it for a profit and you might even have to buy it or forfeit your deposit.

    Just something to be aware of.

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    Dan42 wrote:

    A trust can claim the depreciation, and it just adds to the carried forward losses. With increases in rents, one day the trust property will be (I hope) making profits. The prior years losses offset any profits before any distribution is required, and any tax payable. 

    So you end up getting the benefit of the losses, just not in the year they were incurred.

    This is where I get confused. Because say you make $10,000 in passive income through cash flow (after expenses), but you have $10,000 of depreciation you can claim. The depreciation is a phantom loss as it doesn’t actually cost you anything at the time. This means you will still have $10,000 in your bank account that you can’t distribute to beneficiaries because technically you haven’t made any money. So my question is, what happens to this money and how can the beneficiaries get a hold of it and use it.

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    Hey Snowy,

    Thanks for the helpful advice. I probably won’t run one this year, but I am definately thinking of running one in the not so distant future…once I have built up my contacts and have been able to network a lot more. I am still really new to the forum and still getting to know all of the members.

    I have friends that I know would be interested if I could get other people who I don’t know along. I think this will be a more long term project for me. I like the idea of using the forum to see what the kind of interest there is.

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    I check my populations by using wikipedia because it gathers information from the previous census (which was 2006). It says Moree has a population of 8083

    I wouldn’t run away just because it has a declining population. As far as I am aware the declining population has a lot to do with the drought. THose areas have been in drought for the past 10 years or so (I think). If the drought stops then the area could make a lot of money. But the population is simply something to be careful of.

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    But it was Warren Buffet who coined the phrase “Diversification is protection against ignorance”.

    I would assume that Buffet has a focused diversified portfolio. By that I mean, he would have a team of people working for him. Each team would be focused on making money in one area. But he would have a lot of teams.

    I guess the question is, would diversification work for the average investor who doesn’t have the genius and teams of Warren Buffet?

    It seems a little limiting to me to only be able to easily get a loan for the ASX 50. To only be able to invest in 50 companies easily doesn’t allow for a lot of creative investing, or the ability to invest in high growth areas. If I am wrong about this let me know.

    ps. God of Money, don’t mind you disagreeing with me, it stimulates conversation and helps everyone learn.

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    The comments from everyone have been really helpful. As a new Dad I am trying to get my head wrapped around this concept. I have always loved investing and I think it has put me in a great position for life. I want my kids also to be in that great position also (no matter what they decide to do vocationally).

    There seems to be a fine line you need to tread between helping teach them and being overbearing. I fear that if I go too far then they will rebel against the idea of investing and end up not having enough money later in life. With so many drugs and other problems in society I guess this is the least of my worries.

    From what everyone has said I think it is important to keep it fun and easy…that way they stay interested. Also we need to respond to each child differently because everyone will learn differently and we need to accommodate for that.

    I like what fWord said about just watching his mum and wanting to learn because of that. I think leading by example is one of the best things we can do. I want to take my kids to help me inspect properties and make it an interactive learning experience for them as. I have found I learned so much by actually doing property investing…way more than I have learned by reading a book. So if I can get my kids to do property investing, then they will learn. Whether they use that in the future will be up to them.

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    I guess i’ll just try to be good from now on, thus avoiding any future reprimand. Sorry everyone

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    Fair call Plummer. I have a few bodge posts floating around out there (for which I officially apologise). So how can I delete the ones that are spammy? Because I have found that after posts are like a day old I can’t edit or delete them.

    I have been reprimanded and I want to set things straight…but how can I do that without being able to delete or edit previous spammy posts.

    ps. Overall, it is not my intention to spam, and I believe the majority of my posts are not spammy at all. I have had people thank me for my contributions in some instances…so they can’t be that bad for the forum.

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    @ Chriscarman – What have I done that is so wrong? I am honestly being involved in this forum and not trying to spam. Please be clear so I can fix what I have done.

    I don’t want to stop posting, and don’t want to argue or have people out to get me. So just let me know what needs to be done.

    ps. I realise there are some posts of mine that appear to have 2 signatures. This is because early on I didn’t know how it all worked and made some mistakes. Tried to edit these posts but I don’t seem to be able to.

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    Maybe he was talking about me, but I am not doing anything wrong. I am not a spammer. I am learning so much from being in this forum and I am enjoying the community. I plan on sticking around for a while.

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    I do enjoy playing Monopoly and that would be a great fun way to teach kids about investing. Also I own Robert Kiyosaki’s game CashFlow 101 which teaches you about becoming financially free. There is a CashFlow for kids which I am definately going to invest in to teach my kids.

    They say the best way to learn is by doing, and the second best way to learn is by playing games. So games are a great idea. Thanks Builderbhai

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    Chris,

    People are allowed to use signatures at the end of their posts (like mine). But as long as they are using the forum to contribute then most people don’t have any problems with it. My signature is small compared to some, but I use this forum to gather information and form an active part of the community…I’m not here to spam.

    In fact I would have to say that there are not a lot of spammers in this forum. Yes there are some, but a lot less that normal forums and people can spot spammers from a mile away.

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    I do like the idea of teaching kids delayed gratification early on. It is definately a good skill to have. Thanks for your input.

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