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    Hi,

    Last year I managed to find myself a +ve cashflow property in Townsville. It gross yields at 7.4%, which if anything works out only just +.

    I went up there for a week, and done some serious house hunting and investigations into different suburbs and areas. Like in most cases the higher yielding properties are normally in the less desirable areas.

    Townville I believe is a pretty good place to invest, with the military presence, a uni, and northern queensland major hospital. Thuringowa City which is literally next door to Townsville is also doing very with alot of new developments and money being poured in.

    I also nearly bought a block of units up there yielding 12.3%, but some bugger beat me to the post!! One thing to bear in mind, there is a shortage of cheaper style accomodation :-) Still if you have with properties yielding at 7%ish, I still see them popping up… I think 6-7% is about the average now for up there…

    Cheers

    Rob

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    Looks like SIS has gone all quite about giving out his accountant details….. I wonder why….. :-)

    Rob

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    CHAN$….

    From what SIS says, the accountant does everything by the book, so there should no problems… If anything the accountant might be happy in getting some extra business his way!!! And of course if everything is above board and legitimate, as SIS says… then whos to worry !

    so SIS, if you could make your accountant public knowledge it would be greatful… especially since he has a vast knowledge of expenses, and deductions….

    I am sure I am not the only one who would be interested in having a chat with him….

    Cheers

    Rob

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    sis,

    Who is your accountant? Can you post his details, as I live in Sydney as well and wouldn’t mind having a chat with him…

    Thanks

    Rob

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    DAMM $700-$900K is huge amounts of money for a car washing machine….. I presume this would be a drive-thru machine?

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    Thats interesting Westan when you mention about trusts. I recently looked @ homepath for a loan for use in a trust, with me as an individual trustee rather than corporate and they told me they do not support trusts full stop.

    Just out of curiosity, I phoned them back a few days later just to make sure that they didn’t, as I thought they might of been mistaken. I spoke to a team leader and after some investigation he also confirmed they don’t support trusts either with individual or corporate trustees.

    So how the bloody hell did u manage it… haha.. :-) Well done, next time I get a loan I will try with Homepath a bit harder !

    Cheers

    Rob

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    lol [:)]

    it has been very funny reading everyones responses…..

    Definately be interesting to see the figures on the deals in the end….

    I am a little suprised with Steve McKnight endorsing such a posting though…

    However with DD being part of the MAP group I imagine they have run out of money for any more deposits. So Steve has asked them to be inventive in creating some more $$$ for deposits. Well thats my hypothesis on it… and well give them 10/10 for trying it on with us punters !!

    Rob

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    Hi,

    Thanks everyone for your contributions. I was up in Townsville recently and managed to chat to several RE with regards to management fees.

    I think the level of service varies considerabley between agents, and its always hard to tell what you get for your money. Some of the points we looked for was how many they had on there rent roll, and how many staff they had in the rental department. It was quite astonshing some of the things you find out. For example one RE agent said they had 700 properties on the books, but only had 4 full time staff. There service included quartely checks on the properties. A quick calculation, and it would mean that a single member of staff would have to visit 2-3 properties a day for every working day of the year!!!!

    We found most of them start between 8-9%, but nearly all of them are negotioable to 7.5% apart from a couple. I found Nicholson First National in Kirwan would not budge from there 9.35% inc GST, which I found rather strange. It wouldn’t of been so bad if they were cheap to start with.

    In the end I decided to go with Knobel First National, who would do 7.5%+GST if I had more than two properties otherwise it was 8%+GST. It wasn’t the cheapest option. But they seemed very accomodating, and were willing to customise there service to our individual needs. Only time will tell whether it was just hot air :-)

    Rob

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    Hi,

    Thanks Mr Charchie, and OzPatin. The area I am looking at in particular is North Mackay itself, between Fitzgerald Primary School and the Rugby Union Field, so its pretty central.

    From what I have heard its the areas isn’t bad at all. It is a block of 4 units, and the property agent told me that the tennants are of ‘low class’, of course she said they pay on time, and are no problems, but it just sent some alarm bells ringing.

    I just wanted to find out if in general it was a ‘low class’ area. Dont get me wrong, I have no prejudice against low-class people, just trying to paint a full picture of where I am putting my money.

    Thanks

    Robert

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    Spryan,

    I think I know the units you purchased on 29 Grace St…. Just a word of warning, I looked at those Units just for the same reason you did, looked extremely cheap. But just a word of warning, do your due dillegence as there are some hefty costs involved with them… ie. they do not meet fire regulations, minor structural damage.. in a flood area, so when a flood occurs you have to get the placed cleaned, and house the tennants….There are a few other things, but just getting the fire regulation approval is a few thousand dollars…

    If you look @ the other blocks of units in the area, this block stood out as being exceptionally cheap, and there is reasons for that…. Anyway I suspect you already know all this…..

    Happy Investing

    Rob

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    [:D] innisfail 1 hour south of cairns is going great at the moment,rental demand is extreme and prices are dead cheap,we just bought a block of 4 units for 165,000 rented out for 355 per week.if you need any more advice email is [email protected]


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    I have recently been in contact with an accountant, who quoted me:

    $1430 Company trust
    $1100 Trust

    Total $2530

    Looking at the postings here, one would suggest these prices were considerably high?

    Cheers

    Rob

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    Hi Susie,

    Don’t mean to be a pain, but if you have the name of the agent could you also pass it on.

    [email protected]

    Thanks in advance

    Robert

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    Hi Kate,

    Great to hear you are finding some of these properties, and its definately a good idea to setup a new forum or similar.

    In the meantime if you wish to offload the excess properties, obviously for some sort of finders fee then drop me a line on [email protected].

    Cheers

    Rob [:)]

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    Amit,

    You are reading the posts incorrectly. People aren’t being negative, or worried about Steve. I am sure no-one on here could give two-hoots about Steve and what he does. They are just exploring, commenting, and sharing opinions about the book.

    Its good to talk, and get different views from others.

    Rob

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    Michael,

    No where in the book does Steve quantify the number of wraps, b&h, and leases he has. So where you get your figures from I don’t know.

    The book eludes too that a majority of his wealth was done through b&h. Only towards the end does he talk about wraps, and leases. If there was a Joe Average on the street, the book would give the impression that b&h was Steve’s main strategy, but this is far from the case.

    Steve has been very clever in composing and structuring his book, as well his marketing. Good on him, I reckon.

    I also look at it in a pragmatic point of view. 3.5 years ago he started his venture. He has made significant money, but being a prudent business person I am sure he saw that the property market was slowing and exceptional deals were getting to hard to come by.

    Steve throughout his book is an advocate for making money with least effort. So considering the property market, and Steve being a smart guy, he has now sold and marketed the strategy he had been using for the last 3.5 years. Whether it is applicable now, well… it probably is but not with the rewards that Steve initially reaped… ie. it takes alot more time and effort, and the rewards are probably smaller than 3.5 years ago. So Steve has compensated for this now, in doing the book !

    Smart guy if you ask me :-)

    Thats my morning thoughts

    Cheers

    Rob

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    Cheers for the feedback guys.

    I also spoke to an accountant. It is possible to claim as a deduction if you are operating as an investment business. However if you are not, then it is taken into consideration as part of your cost-base and would be taken into condiseration on a CGT event.

    Cheers

    Rob

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    I have to agree with Arygle, if Steve hadn’t used Wraps, and done some quick buying and selling to generate quick capital then it is impossible for accumalate 130 properties in 3.5 years.

    I think a lot of people are maybe under the illusion that all you have to do is find a +ve investment property, rent it out, and you’ll be home dry. If that is all you done, it will be a very slow road to wealthy future !

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    Thanks Sooshie,

    I was hoping that was going to be the case. Only reason I ask is because what I was thinking about doing is setting up a family trust.

    Each year the income is distributed to my mum, who pays the least amount of tax. Instead of her loaning the money back to the trust, and the trust owing her, she just gives it back to me as a gift and I loan it back to the trust?

    I was just wondering the legality of it? Btw my mum lives over-seas so it would only be subject to 10% withholding tax here in OZ as I am led to believe. Of course she would have to pay tax in her country, but that is minimal. Is all this legal?

    Cheers

    Rob

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    That’s alright, $44,200 in rent and $30-$33,000 IO repayments, leaves $14-$16,000pa for everything, including principle repayments.


    These number just don’t add up? Ok 44,200 in rent which is $850*52 is correct. Where did you get 30-33,000 in IO payments? the property is 640,000 less deposit of lets say 20% = 512,000. At a normal rate of 8% that equals 40,960 in IO payments per annum. So IO payments are greater than rental income, thus making a loss And these calculations don’t take into consideration closing costs!!

    So it is far from a good +ve cashflow property.

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