Am I correct in believing that each state has Land Tax aswell as Council Rates – Two different things?
When do you get a bill for Land Tax?
I know the Council Rates bill comes each year based on the undeveloped value of the land.
You will receive a notice from each states ‘Office of State Revenue’ or similar that will tell you what the Valuer General has valued the land proportion of your PPoR or IP.
I will send you the rates (land tax) if you would like.
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Abbee
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Am I correct in believing that each state has Land Tax aswell as Council Rates – Two different things?
When do you get a bill for Land Tax?
I know the Council Rates bill comes each year based on the undeveloped value of the land.
You will receive a notice from each states ‘Office of State Revenue’ or similar that will tell you what the Valuer General has valued the land proportion of your PPoR or IP.
I will send you the rates (land tax) if you would like.
Yes two infact. One bought in 2001 – Brisbane (cash flow neutral) and one in Sydney (-grd). Both have increased in value a lot. Both were bought well before I read the book and looked at cf+ properties.
Our investment is in New Farm (not actually inner inner city but close enough). New Farm is across the river from the CBD (West).
It is a 2 bed/2 bath with balcony and underground c/p in a small 3 level security complex (40 units) with a pool in the middle. It is 5 minutes walk to the ferry and the bus stops virtually outside.
It cost us $230,000 in 2001 and we got $250 rent. Because it was new we were able to depreciate everything and so it did not cost us much ($10 a week). We now get $270 a week (cf neutral).
Our previous agent was sending us statements saying she had deposited the rent into our account but for the last three months did not. When we discovered it, it took us some stern letters to her, the threat of legal action, and bringing in the QLD dept of Fair Trading to get our money back.
The new agent who is fantastic is Prime Property.
Barbara Mules is the contact and her numbers are 07 3377 4888 or 0411 966 655. They have done two property inspections in six months without even us asking. They are based in Toowong (just outside the CBD) but will definately do inner city for you.
Good luck with them.
BTW, trusts are good but not if you only have a few IP’s. You have to pay Land Tax from the very first dollar if you have bought through a trust. If you buy as an individual you have a threshold of $275,997 (land value of course)
If you would like the land tax and stamp duty rates for all states I would be happy to email them to you. I have them in a spreadsheet
The dropping rent by 5 – 10% is a good idea, we have had an IP in innercity Brisbane for two years. It has only been without a tenant for 1 week and we now have a good agent. My wife and I adopted the strategy of dropping it to begin with and that helped to get a tenant (it was brand new as well). We changed agents after a huge problem and our new agent had to get new tenants straight away. I suggested a rent price again a little lower than market($5) but he got me $10 more and a tenant to move in straight away.
Thanks guys lotsa info in there to digest in the next day or so. We are on a Pro Pkg with CBA and get the half% of etc etc. My wife is a solicitor (not conveyancer, – corporate) but we have a v good conveyancer that we have used a few times ( we have two IP’s already – 1 X neg, 1 x neutral).
We probably need a better accountant though, ours is not that cluey on this stuff!
We looked at trusts but not going to down that road as yet. There are some upsides but the major downer is that Land Tax is accumulated from the first dollar, there is no threshold. Once I get to near the threshold levels I will probably do it.
I think it is good idea to spread your eye over not just the state you are in. We have a cf nuetral IP in inner city Brisbane which has increased in value bigtime since we bought it. I must admit it took us a few plane trips to find the right one but as my parents in law live there it was worth the trip anyway.
Good luck – Do you want the stamp duty rates for each state too?
Excuse my ignorance but does everyone who is on these boards and have purchased positive cash flow property either:
1. find property with 20% yields or better
2. Have no mortage on their PPoR
3. Have a lazy $5,000 – $20,000 lying around to use as a deposit.
If 1, then lucky them, I will have to look harder. If 2, then good on them, we will be there soon (Feb I hope) and if 3 then I have to envy them very much!!!
I have an investment loan set up and ready to go with approval for almost 1 mill.
Perhaps I am doing the figures wrong but if for example I bought a place for $17,500 which rented for $75 per week this only returns $5 per week to me.
Income
Rent $75 x 52 = $3900
Outgoings
Repayments $30.90 x 52 = $1606.80
Stamp Duty (1st yr only) $425
Council rates $200
Legal Fees $400
Prop mngmt fee(8%) $312
General Expenses $500
Insurance $200
Total outgoings $3644
Difference $256 or $5 per week
There are many states that bung on land tax from the first dollar of an IP (NSW is one), if you purchase or have properties under a trust. I looked into this only a month ago and was informed by the accountant that unless you were over the land tax thresholds in the relevant state, it would not be worth putting it into a trust.
Oh…. I have just looked it up
NSW – no threshold ($260,999 for person)
QLD – $170,000 threshold ($275,997 for person)
VIC,WA,ACT,TAS,SA – OK for trusts
Sorry to take so long to reply and I thank you for your patience.
The home loan we have on our PPOR is a standard homeloan from CBA to which we have a $30,000 home equity (offset/line of credit) where the salary goes into.
The IP’s will be bought using the same type of loan.
So how do we make the interest repayments tax deductable?
Could i please receive some feedback on what investors think about having investment properties in other states. I always liked the idea of having an investment property at close proximity to my house of residence. The idea of having a far away property always filled me with concern about, whether the agent cares and the condition of the property.
Could you place your trust in a Real Estate Agent thats miles away?
Would you have to visit the property regularly as reassurance?
Thank You all for the input
John
If you have a good agent it works fine – I have visited our QLD place a few times but basically leave it to the agent. It was brand new when we bought it though which means it shouldn’t need much upkeep. We had a dishonest agent (tenant was great!) to begin with but once that was sorted out and we terminated the management contract, we got this new one that is great
I don’t know about other states, but the Council rates for our Queensland properties – and these are units – are twice those of our houses in NSW, eg $1200/$660.