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July 28, 2004 - 12:37 pm
…..it is not for me, as I think the daily up/down yo-yo roller coaster ride makes me dizzy to say the least!!!
That’s where you have made you mistake. If you are a share investor who daily checks the asx.com.au site to see how many $’s they have made/lost each day you would go mad.
Like a buy and hold property, the lower risk (blue chip) shares move in very small increments. I have neither the time or the inclination to ‘watch paint dry’.
High risk shares (speccies) are a different story though but would probably still send me troppo!
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July 28, 2004 - 11:56 am
To me Acey, I look at history.
The stockmarket crash in the 80’s left so many with nothing. Various property slumps over the last 20 years have done the same.
I see the property market having many parallels with the technology boom of the late 90’s. There were people falling over themselves to buy shares of XYZ company, bit like +ve CF and other property at the moment.
Millions of $’s were wiped off these companies overnight. One in particular I know was at around $6.00 a share and 2 months later was around $0.14.
I guess what I am trying to say is that diversification is the safest way to invest. If you are after overnight success, then you could take your chances in one particular market. If you are after a long term strategy that will more than likely cover you in the event of a downturn in one area of the market then diversify.
There are so many different areas to invest in.
Yields will differ and usually be inversely proportionate to risk but as long as you spread your investments between low risk and high risk schemes, you should make out OK.
Personally I have been investing in the stockmarket since I was 18 and some of the windfalls helped with the deposit on our house.
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July 28, 2004 - 8:09 am
Just also be aware that different people have different opinions on a town.
You will see some saying ‘Smithtown’ is a good area because of
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And you will see some saying that they wouldn’t invest there because of
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Each to his own I say!
Just don’t think that everything you read on here is the full quid. Some of the participants have a vested interest in areas, and some a just pessimists and cannot see a deal where you might.
All I am saying is don’t neccesarily be discouraged by a small minority of views. If you feel comfortable with an area, you think you have done the homework and the figures add up, don’t lose out because someone here says ‘watch the 500 year flood areas’ or ‘I’ve heard the mine is closing’.
Good luck.
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July 27, 2004 - 7:32 am
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I will stick my hand up and say – I will, as long as I have complete faith in the area. It would need to be something I am very comfortable with i.e. coastal, water views, underdeveloped area etc etc.
I have no problems as I still see some areas will show CG in the next few years.
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July 23, 2004 - 8:02 am
Speak for yourself Acey![blink]
That’s a big admission, is it because its too cold in Canberra?[laughing]
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July 20, 2004 - 12:02 pm
No brainer for me.
I would purchase the other half of the block and if you were not interested in building a house yourself, look at what the local council reg’s are on subdivision. 1200sqm should be big enough for two properties.
You could build two houses, sell one or both and make a lot of money.
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July 20, 2004 - 5:13 am
Originally posted by GreatPig:
Muppet,
I wonder if this means there might be some renovator’s delights on the market soon? []
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Don’t forget to factor in SCUBA gear and daily airfills. I wonder if they’re tax deductable!
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July 20, 2004 - 4:23 am
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Right then – I am part of PI hall of fame/shame
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Jars, I’m afraid you have followed a few PI.com wannabees and fell in to the trap of sending in a ‘good’ photo! [biggrin]
I’m sorry but that is just too much of a ‘Vogue glamour shot’ and cannot share space with such photos as Gatsby’s, Kay Henry’s, Westan’s and my mugshot.[laughing][laughing][laughing]
If this keeps up, I may have to send in one of my wedding photos. I will admit though that my ‘stupid grin’ photo currently residing in the archives of PI members photos was taken about 10am in the morning after a very very very big night on the turps in lovely Telluride, CO.
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July 14, 2004 - 10:47 am
Originally posted by HotRod:
Hi Marisa
Happy to……..
Make ~$25K from 5 +CF B&H’s and lose ~$5K from a -CF
Later………
Congrats Hotrod, $100 a week in your hand on each property, that’s unreal!
Can you give us some figures on them. When did you buy them? What sort of deposit did you put in?
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July 14, 2004 - 8:08 am
Yeah well guess what happened to me today.
Settling on an IP tomorrow and talking with lawyers, they said our bank have sent them all the cheques bar 1. Do you think the bank will get the extra cheque on time.
No, we have to arrange the extra finance ourselves. Lucky it is not a huge amount.
Bl#%dy banks
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July 13, 2004 - 12:50 pm
Basically it is an account linked to your home loan whereby if you have say a $100,000 loan on a property, you get your fortnightly pay put into it. You also have a credit card that you use for EVERYTHING. You get a 60 day interest free period on the card so as long as you pay it off when required, you get to use the 60 days of wages or approximately $8,000 off the principal. Ie you will be charged interest in that final week on $92,000 not $100,000.
Loan $100,000
Interest at 7% from day one $134 a week
Week 1 principal $100,000 (less $1000 wages in offset account)
Interest reduced to $133 a week.
Not much there but by week 8 at the end of your interest free period:
Week 8 principal $100,000 (less $8,000 wages in offset account)
Interest reduced to $123 a week ($10 saving)
It only works if you pay of the credit card before the interest kicks in.
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July 13, 2004 - 11:53 am
Watch Mt Magnet. Apart from the fact that Harmony may not be operating there within a few years, most of the miners are now fly in/fly out.
Crime is a problem and there are some very dodgy areas that you would not touch.
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July 13, 2004 - 8:01 am
Sensible outlook daaussie
When we bought our unit, we were told by many that the market was already at its peak. Who really knows the market and what it is going to do in the future.
I don’t really know what is greedy about trying to get a good CG though. To me that is good investment.
To echo you again daaussie, we have no desire to sell it at the present, maybe in 3 – 4 years time when we need the money for an extension on our PPoR, but that will again depend on how it id doing.
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July 13, 2004 - 1:48 am
Sounds to me like a quick email to the state based Dept of Fair Trading would be useful.
That is woeful.
I probably would have been even more angry!
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July 13, 2004 - 1:44 am
My wife and I bought a unit in Cremorne, Sydney two years ago. Small block, near new, good street etc. It cost us $535K and is negatively geared to the tune of $140 a week. Well in two years it has cost us around $15,000 to keep. It has gained approximately $200,000 in value though.
Pretty easy maths really!
I have noting against +ve CF properties ( I have two in my portfolio). But the CG from our one -ve CF property would be the equivalent though of two years of returns of perhaps 70 or 80 +ve CF properties. The questions you have to ask yourself is is purchasing 70 or 80 +ve CF properties realistic in 12 – 24 months.
(Note: I have not taken tax considerations into this example – start doing that and it looks even better for this -ve geared property)
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July 10, 2004 - 11:33 am
Rugbyfan,
I hope you are not buying from Victor Ollis, He got about 1500 properties in surround areas. There are unlimited of property and land package from him for 10% return.
Kind regards
Jet Dollars
You know me better than that Chan!
This one was a straight RE agent deal.
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July 10, 2004 - 11:31 am
10th November.
And I like a 40ft Nautor Swan, a Chalet in Telluride and a 2005 Trek TT bike.
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July 8, 2004 - 11:05 pm
Originally posted by kay henry:
dc_homer,
I reckon you’ve missed the boat on regionals such as wagga, albury and dubbo by about a year and a half to two years (sorry Rugs).
I think now you’d be looking at country towns to get anywhere near cf+ (I’m thinking >10% here)
kay henry
Don’t know about that. I almost bought a place in Parkes two months ago that was +ve CF. It required a bit of work but the land was huge and it was not far from the main street. Yield was 14.5%. Reason for not buying – I missed out (auction).
It was in an area of ex HC houses but most of them have no been sold. I am sure the outerlying areas of Wagga would still produce a gem or two.
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July 8, 2004 - 12:35 pm
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You will more than likely have to look outside Sydney for +ve CF properties. Regional NSW (and other states’ regional areas) will be your best bet. Don’t think they will be jumping out at you, it takes time to find these gems. Try focussing on an area (like Parkes, Dubbo, Wagga etc) and visiting agents in these towns. You will gain heaps of advice from this forum, and make sure you use the search tool to gather more info. The internet will certainly get you started, but footwork is usually the only way to start.
Good luck.
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July 8, 2004 - 12:05 pm
Exercise.
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