I did not realise there was any charges to transfer the money from NZ to Aus. Could you not open an ANZ account in NZ and then just transfer the money via internet banking?[blink]
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We bought an ex-[biggrin]housing commission home in VIC back in 1996. Been a great little cash cow ever since we moved out and rented her. Paid $32500 at auction and approx value now is $120 000. Been cashflow positive the whole time @ $120 p/w.
Never had a problem with tenants. Area is now quite sort after as it is in town and near facilities.
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Thanks for the perk up guy’s, I needed it. It does not matter how well you are doing, at times the doubt monster creeps in and niggles at you. Talking on forums like this can realy pick you up.
Bigben, at 25 you sound like you are realy doing well. Kids or no kids. Remember though, all the money/property in the world is not worth the memories I have with my family. Do both if you can.[]
P.S. I like your comment on the bottom.(Sooner or later the man who wins is the man who thinks he can!)
Yack, Keep on keeping on. A couple of kids and you realy know why you need to invest in property.LOL.[]
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Those are fantastic figures yack and bigben and no doubt you are very happy with them, I would be.
But I love cashflow. I love knowing that every week someone is paying me. The thought of maybe making $100,000 in 10 years is quit appealing but that is too long a time for things to go wrong. You take the same risks I do with tenants and vacancy ect but you also must invest a hell of a lot more money and run the risk of the market taking a dive.
No matter what happens to the market at least there will always be someone wanting to rent my place.
But I believe the way we invest is dictated by our family/financial circumstances.
It comes down to how much money you can lend or how much of your own house you own. If I could have afforded to buy a property in Syd or Mlb then I would have. Most people can’t afford to break into those sort of markets.
I have only just turned 32 in Feb. Am married and have 4 children. We own 1 car and are paying of the other. Three of our children attent private Christian school. We own most of our 1st investment property. Wife is just starting to go back to work now at 31.
I believe that by starting small, building up my family young ie miss out on a lot of things and only buying what I can afford will pay off in the long run.
Now my kids are in school, my wife can go back to work and we will have two incomes again. We have alot of equity in our little house and the incomes to service any loans.
For people like myself, borrowing $90 000 for a house was near impossible. I would be flat out spending that much on my own PPOR let alone a rental property.
So for those of us on singlelow incomes, we have to start small and work our way up.
I am however, [:p]very happy that you guys are doing well. Bet you can’t wait to cash in those houses and get that money. But then what do you do? Spent it, re-invest for retirement? I could die tomorrow. I’ll take what I can now and let tomorrow worry about itself.
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Good to hear from you. Yes I follow most of your posts with interest because it seems we think along the same lines. Ok here is the rundown.
1. Purchased in 1997 as first own home.
(Was forced to look at bottom of market as I had a very young family and only one wage) 3br/1bth weatherboard ex housing commission.
2. Purchased at Auction for $32500. Government auction.
3. Paid 20% = $6500. Got this from a personal loan at different bank. Had no cash at all.
4. Insurance = $350 py
Rates = $600 py
Repayments = $93 pf
Management = $264 py
Would have to dig up contract to find loan costs ect.
Interest Rates were approx 6.5%
Conveyancing approx $800
5. House was in bad shape cosmeticly, but we could see the potential. Structurly sound.
6. Moved in and over two years we paid heaps off loan and renovated as best we could.
7. Got posted (In Defence) and place left vacant for a while. Half renovated and not suitable for tenant.
8. Friend finished of house for us and went into the rental market at $120 pw.
9. Had at least 10 applicants to choose from.
10. First tenant stayed 12 months no problems.
11. Second tenant (An old pensioner lady that the realestate agency had never had any probs with) shot through breaking lease. Recoverd bond through court. Manager handled everything.
12. Third tenant is currently still there and has been for years.
13. I raised rent when he moved in to $125 pw but have left it as is because he is fantastic tenant. Never complains. Pays on time and keeps property in good condition. Not willing to lose good tenant for a few dollars. Rent is under review now lease is due. If he is willing to sing on for another 12 months then I will leave rent as is. Agent has just told me that you can’t find a house like that for $125 anywhere in town.
14. Only maintenance I’ve had in all this time is tap leaking and front tree trim. I spent approx $5000 on renovatins when I lived there.
15. There has been very little vacancy. And always have a good supply of tenants.
16. I have not had the place proffessionaly valued, however I could probably estimate that the value today would be a min of $80 000 and may go as high as $110 000 with current boom.
17. The house is in SALE, Victoria. Has nice street appeal after I did up yard and gardens. Is in average area but not to far from town center.
I would estimate that depending on what maintenance comes up during the year that I make close to $2800py. And I never have had any real problems at all. (Touch wood)
Hope this helps paint a bit of a picture for you Mini. I can be more specific given enough time and I can even dig up a picture of place if you want.[]
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As a matter of a fact our 1st property has achieved quite a good capital gain over time. We purchased in 1996 for $32500 at auction. I estimate that based on current prices in town, house would now be worth
$80 000 – $90 000. Don’t know what that works out as a percentage but in my books its pretty good. House has not needed anything but a tap washer and trees trimed in all this time.
House has been cashflow positive from day one.
I just wish I had the knowledge and money to have bought a few more while they were cheap back then. Anyway still looking.
Thanks for your comments
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It seems that most people so far have expressed the same concerns that I also feel.
I guess what it comes down to is this. Any PROFIT is good but a small profit with little margin for error can quickly turn into an EXPENCE or CASHFLOW DRAIN.
Unfortunatly I am still no where near making a decision on whether to wait and feel like i’m being left behind / wasting time or bite the bullet and get into the game.
Still would like to hear other peoples opinion especially if you have a story that relates to the subject.
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Hi Aaron,
I am assistant manager on the delphi Motorhomes Australia site. I have previously travelled around Oz for a couple of years on a working holiday in a 37 foot Denning, and hubby and I plan now to have enough passive income from our investment properties so that we can retire within 5-7 years to hit the road permanently. Currently on track even though we only have 4 properties at present.
F.
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fibejebe
were you on the motorhome site recently
aaron
Hi fibejebe,
It is a small world afterall. I used to read your posts on Motorhomes Australia all the time till I sold my motorhome. welcome!!!
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My mum did exactly what you have described and she said the biggest killer is all the extra expenses. Council inspection fees, surveyors, electricians ect. Also because you buy a cheap block in a rural town somewhere tradesman charge you a fortune to do the work. Just something to think about.
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Since no one else has responded I’ll give you my 2c worth.
What your asking is not realy our place to answer. There are risks involved with IP investing. It realy comes down to how much homework you have done and your financial position. The equity is great but a bank will want to know if you can service a loan or not.
On a more personal note I would recomend settling into your new home first and after six months or so take the leap and invest. Buying a house and moving in can be very stressfull for a couple starting out. Don’t take on too much to quick. PI investing is not going anywhere so take your time.
It’s great to hear that your hungry to get into property. Keep that flame burning by reading this forum and learning as much as you can befor you do anything.
Good luck in all your endeavours.
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Rich Dad poor Dad author is a liar and a cheat.
He cheated me out of the price of two of his books, which were being sold as fact.I don’t read fiction.And of cause the whole book is one giant fairy tale.When I was reading the first one, some bits just didn’t sound right.
When I realised this I destroyed the books.
I don’t read any authored books.Use your brain, do your own thing.Educate yourself,believe no one.
Bruce G.
Have the courage to take your own advice.
Bruce,
Do you go out of your way to anger people? You must be a real peach to live with, that is all I can say. I think I will take some of your advice and ignore any of your posts.
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OK here is a site I came across that shows some information about populations for Victorian towns. Don’t know how accurate it is but it also shows some other valuable info. eg schools, hospitals and the distance from other major towns.
the info only dates from 1999-2001 so is also a little out of date.
Just put in your post code or town name and away you go.
I think the question is whether or not there is someone who can manage the place for you? The numbers might stack up but if no one is close enough to manage the property then you could be in trouble.
Capital Gains or No capital gains is up to you. Positive Cashflow is not to be sneezed at because it helps service the loans for negative geared properties for the future.[]
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I think the obvious answer to your question would be to ask questions pertaining to the income and expenditures of the property.
You mentioned that you wanted cashflow properties right?
For a house to be cashflow positive the property costs and income must be of a certain amount.
When you look at a property, fall in love with the numbers not the property.
After the first month or so of constantly emailing agents about properties and asking very similar questions each time,I decided to do up a word document containg all the general questions I asked every time. Here is my example:
1. How old is property?
2. What are the rates on property?
3. If leased, when does current lease expire?
4. How long has tenant been living in premises?
5. What street in ? is property located?
6. Why is vendor selling?
7. What is vacancy rate on property?
8. Does property have a rent roll or rent reciepts that I can see?
9. What is population like in ?
10. What is the current rent if rented?
11. What immediate work needs doing?
12. Can I see some more pictures of the inside?
13. Does your agency manage properties like this one?
This list is not exhaustive but a guide line only.
I particularly like to entice the agent with the last question. If an agent knows that there is a chance that you will allow them to manage the property then perhaps they may be a little forth coming with the other questions.
Also take the answers they give you with a grain of salt. Guide only. It’s common for agents to tell you a place is tenated and achieving x ammout of $ but is overinflated to make the numbers look better. That is why I ask to see a rent role or rent reciepts. To back up thier statements.
Hope this is helpful[]
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