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    Probably depends alot on the climate of the area and the size of the house, but I don’t think I’d go the effort of installing a ducted system.

    With the few properties I have, they’re all in an area where air conditioning really is a must due to the hot summers. It doesn’t add much to the rent return but most people wont want to rent a property with no air conditioning so I’m making money by reducing the vacancy time. Installing a good wall mounted air conditioner has been the first thing I’d do after buying a property if there wasn’t one there already. I usually go for a decent reverse cycle in the lounge room, under $1000, + a few hundred for installation. If the area doesn’t get too cold in winter, a cooling only unit will be cheaper still. Portable window air conditioners start at around $300 – maybe you could get 2 of these, for the lounge and main bedroom – no installation cost either.

    And with the low value pool rule, improvements under $1000 can be 100% written off in the first year, rather than being apportioned over the defined period – see the ATO website for details.

    Cheers,
    Mike

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    Disclaimer: Below is my interpretation of the REIA & REISA codes and guidelines only. Don’t take this as gospel, but maybe use as a starting point for research if you wish to take action due to the professional conduct of such an agent.

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    As smenkhare said, the agent has a fiduciary duty to disclose the offer to the pricipal.

    Additionally, if they are a member of the Real Estate Institute, as most agents are, they are bound by their National Code of Conduct as well as the respective state guidelines. Below are quotes from the REISA Guidelines for Professional Practice. Other states will have similar guidelines.

    In South Australia, Section 13 of the REISA Guidelines for Professional Practice states “All offers, preferably in writing, shall be submitted to the Vendor as soon as possible or within 48 hours of receipt. All persons making an offer should be informed as soon as possible after the making of an offer as to the Vendor’s decision to accept, reject or consider the offer”. By not putting your offer to the Vendor, the agent is in breach of the professional code and is liable for diciplinary action from the Real Estate Institute.

    Also, Section 11 of the REISA Guidelines for Professional Practice states “Members have a responsibility to their Vendors to obtain the best possible price for their properties…”. By not submitting your offer, the agent may have missed the opportunity to obtain the best price as the price you may have eventually negotiated may have been the best. So I believe the agent is also in breach of this section and again would be subject to diciplinary action from the Real Estate Institute.

    These guidelines are an interesting read for anyone buying property, so that you know what ethical codes the agent is bound to. It’s all plain English with no legal jargon so anyone can digest it easily. Always good to be armed with this sort of information when dealing with agents. It’s worth contacting your state branch of the REI to get a copy.

    Cheers,
    Mike.[^]

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    Hi all,

    Just a quick post to say that I wouldn’t necessarily take the Harvey Norman rule as gospel. One of their two regional SA stores is performing pretty poorly – they sunk a bucket load of money into a new building (although is was somewhat subsidised by the local council and traders, much to the disgust of the local electrical & furniture store only a few shops down the road, but that’s another story).

    Great for the first few weeks, employed lots of young locals. But then reality set in and the store is pretty much deserted and many jobs went. Plenty of rumors around the town that they are planning to close down and cut losses, or move into a smaller premisis at the shopping hub at the other side of town.

    So, yeah, in general, it’s probably a good rule but don’t take it as gospel, but rather a guideline to assist your decision. I’m not saying that this is a bad town to invest in general – but it’s a typically blue collar and unemployed population so investing in low cost housing is sensible – investing in a retail business selling big screen TVs and leather lounges probably isn’t too clever. [;)]

    That’s my 2cents.

    Cheers,
    Mike.

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    With the 11 second solution, this SA property only needs $20p/w rental income to be a winner! (I you can get a tennant willing to pay anything to live there :)

    http://www.century21.com.au/officeplist.cfm?search=advanced&grpofcecode=SA30&officebrochure=Y&grplstno=SA308674

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    I think that you’ve already given it away, Fibejebe. Only two towns in SA over 20000 and only one of them has an abundance of cf+ properties. Plenty to go around there though. Again, only problem there is getting tennants.

    Cheers,
    Mike.

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    Hi All,

    From my experiences, second hand has been the way to go when setting up an IP. Here’s a few purchases I’ve made to improve the appeal of my properties.

    – The Salvos shop is always good for cheap blinds and curtains. Did a whole house for $50.

    – I’ve purchased ex-rental plants. They’ve usually lived a short life in the foyer of an office building and are a bit tattered, but they’re pretty cheap and come back to life with a little care.

    – Add secondhand wardrobes instead of installing builtins.

    – Installed exhaust fans in the kitchen and bathroom, along with a ‘whirly bird’ in the roof. Wired the fans into the light switch to make sure that the tenant uses them. This will reduce the chance of mould and will prolong the life of the paint in these rooms. Less work and money down the track.

    – Since the landlord pays the water bill, install a watersaver shower head, and give the tennant an efficient high-preasure hose nozzle with trigger to use when washing their car. In SA, this is required for water restrictions too. Also consider an underground drip system for gardens and mulch between tennants.

    – I’ve used garage sales and auctions to pick up cheap paint, tiles, carpet, garden tools, a garden shed and carport, air conditioner, etc. Save heaps on the new price.

    And some general frugality tips that I’ve aplied over the last few months, mostly common sense.

    – Quit smoking! I’m working on it and transferring the savings into one of my loans every week. Feels good to see the balance diminishing faster and feeling healthier at the same time.
    – Walk, ride a bike and use public transport. Good for your health, the environment and your wallet.
    – If you regularly travel distances by yourself that are too far to go by bike and public transport is not convenient, consider a small motorbike or scooter. A second hand Honda Dio or Yamaha Jog 50cc can be purchased for around $1000 and will pay for itself in a few months through fuel savings and reduced wear and tear on your car.
    – Stop buying that latte on the way to work. Just have an instant coffee when you get there instead.
    – Stop buying food court lunches. Once a month I have a big cookoff and fill my freezer with meals to take to work for about 1/4 of the cost. Also means that I have better control of portion sizes to help keep the pounds off!

    It all adds up and will mean I have the deposit for my next IP much sooner.[:D]

    Cheers,
    Mike

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    I’ve just shelled out a whopping $20 on a postcode sale report from propertyvalue.com.au and would have to say it’s the best $20 I’ve spent in a long time. Should save me thousands.

    Found out that:
    a) Most properties in the area I’m browsing are selling 20-60% less than the general advertised asking prices. I now think growth in this particular market is a myth, pushed along by eager agents and even more eager vendors. Only the odd house is selling near the advertised price, presumably to out-of-towners that don’t know the market. (even so, they are still very cf+, but would be higher yielding at a realistic price)

    b) 80-90% of properies sold in the last year went straight past me without me seeing them. Not listed on the internet or the local newspaper. These ones generaly sold for a much lower price than the ones I had seen on property.com.au .

    How will I use this data?

    a) Use the low prices as a reference when I negotiate my next purchase as they are much lower than I was expecting. I probably would have paid too much.

    b) Use the higher prices as a list for the bank/valuer when I decide to refinance my existing properties. Fingers crossed, they’ll agree with the hype!

    c) Get more chummy with the agents so I can get a piece of the action with the really cheapies that never get the chance to be publicly advertised.

    Cheers,
    Mike

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    If you are in SA, have a look at http://www.landlords.org.au/ – Landlords Association of South Australia. They have a tennant blacklist, however I’m not sure how useful it is as it’s only maintained by its members. Still, it’s a good service with regular newsletters and guest speakers, plus a free area on the website to advertise your property when you’re after a new tennant.

    I imagine there would be similar services in other states.

    Cheers,
    Mike.

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    Hi folks,

    I certainly wouldn’t rule out Pirie, though you might have to hunt a bit to find a good deal in this market.

    Nice size town, population of council area is 17K so probably around 14K in the township. Facilities are good. A few major shopping districts, all the big fast food frachises have a presence.
    There is a TAFE campus but no Uni.

    Potential growth if some processing contracts are won, see the links from the local paper this week:

    http://www.portpirie.yourguide.com.au/detail.asp?class=news&subclass=local&story_id=273860&category=General+News&m=12&y=2003

    http://www.portpirie.yourguide.com.au/detail.asp?class=news&subclass=local&story_id=272466&category=General+News&m=12&y=2003

    Make sure to get a soil analysis as part of your due diligence. Has been a big problem with lead poisoning there. I know that there was a big clean up project a few years ago but it would pay to have this check done for peace of mind. Last thing you want is a tenant getting sick due to polution on your property.

    Risdon Grove is a good starting point for low end properties. The area is reletavely desirable being part of the SA Housing Trust’s ‘Urban Renewal’ Projects and costs are reasonable.( http://www.housingtrust.sa.gov.au )

    Like Kay said, talk to the locals to get a feel for the place. Read the local paper online ( http://www.portpirie.yourguide.com.au ) or see if your newsagent can get it for you (Pirie Recorder).

    Good Luck,
    Mike.

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    Try http://www.richmastery.com.au/?goto=../forums/

    I received that in an email from richmastery today.

    Cheers,
    Mike.

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    Hi David,

    I was sitting straight behind that blonde lady that you mentioned.

    Found the riverland prices. I didn’t go to inspect any so I’ll just give the details from the brochure. Reserve details are estimated based on comments by the auctioneer:

    33 Dridan Ave, Renmark
    3 bed timber frame home with tile roof, good location, hardwood floors, fresh paint. Rerserve ~$84K, Sold at $101K

    10 Hardwick St, Barmera
    3 bed, timber frame, tile roof, fresh paint, fully fenced rear yard. Rerserve ~$75K, Sold at $81K

    13 Showell Ave, Renmark
    3 bed timber frame, tile roof, florr coverings, secure rear yard, established trees. Rerserve ~$75K, Sold at $82K

    6 Tiller St, Wakerie
    3 bed, quiet location, tile roof, exterior freshly painted. Sold at $84K (bidding reopened after being passed in at $80K)

    13 Coral St, Loxton
    3 bed duplex, electric stove, gas hws, good fencing. Sold at $72k

    23 Treneman Cres, Berri
    Ideal township position. 3 Bed brick home, modernised wet areas, fenced rear yard. Sold at $79K

    20 Hardwick St, Barmera
    Timber frame home, tile roof, 3 bed, fresh paint, fenced rear yard. Reserve ~75K, sold at $77K

    29 McCutcheon St, Wakerie
    3 bed duxplex, good location, jarrah floors. Sold at $70K

    15 Banksia St, Renmark
    3 bed timber framed duplex, floor coverings, carport, double garage, a/c, fenced yard. Sold at $76K

    Cheers,
    Mike

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    Hi David,

    Was that you asking about the MB auction just after everything wound up? I was sitting near the back on the very right, two rows behind Bill, the buyer with the mo.

    I’ll post the riverland prices later – left them at work. From memory, they ranged from $70 to $100k

    Cheers,
    Mike.

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    Hi folks,

    Yep, by maisonette, i meen the typical housing trust semi-detached houses.

    I’m not going to type out the details of the properties, but you can download the Whyalla auction brochure from http://us.f2.yahoofs.com/bc/3fcc997b_45ee/bc/My+Documents/Whyalla+auction+20031202.pdf?bf92Jz_AM8YKGW97 (I think I’ve shared it properly, otherwise search for ‘Whyalla’,’SA’ at http://www.eldersre.com.au – hopefully it’s still listed ) . Or I can email the PDF.

    Sale prices were:
    Lot 1 – $40000
    Lot 2 – $54000
    Lot 3 – $37000
    Lot 4 – $40000
    Lot 5 – $40000
    Lot 6 – $33000
    Lot 7 – $45000
    Lot 8 – $56000
    Lot 9 – $43000
    Lot 10 – $38500
    Lot 11 – $37500
    Lot 12 – $45500
    Lot 13 – $39000

    Good luck with the job there. What sort of work is that? Seems pretty rare that people move to the town, usually the opposite. It’s a nice town, pretty relaxed, plenty of amenities, sporting clubs, etc. I’d move back there but it’s hard to get work in the IT industry.

    For rentals, have a look at http://www.century21.com.au/whyalla
    and http://www.sa.professionals.com.au (search for Whyalla, Whyalla Playford, Whyalla Norrie or Whyalla Stuart). Expect to pay between $100 and $120 p/w for a 3 bedroom maisonette, $60 to $100 for a flat. General rule, avoid Whyalla Stuart, it’s a bit dodgy. Overall, tt’s a renters market with all of these SAHT houses being sold to investors, so you shouldn’t have any trouble bargaining the price down or requesting improvements.

    At these sort of prices, you’re better off buying than renting though.

    Cheers,
    Mike.

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    Hi Westan & Bill,

    The guy that bought three is Bill (i think). One of my houses there joins on to one of his. He has heaps of houses there now, and as far as I know, most of them are still vacant and listed in the window of the local Elders office.

    Finally got a tenant in that house a few weeks ago. Was only vacant for four months! Must admit that most of that was my own fault – listed it with an agent that had too many similar vacant properties on their list. Then gave them the flick and tried to manage myself, which was too hard from Adelaide. Finally listed it with another agent, who already look after another property of mine, only took them two weeks to get a tenant. So in theory, I could have only had two weeks vacancy if I went with them in the first place!. Oh well, its all a learning experience.

    But, as mentioned, location is important. For example, look at http://www.century21.com.au/officerent_list.cfm?grpofcecode=SA34&title=6 . 5 & 7 Hawke St were sold at a SAHT auction back in May for $55K for the pair, and have been onsold since (have found out the price yet). So they’ve been vacant since then. Pretty average location – I was a bit worried about getting out of my car to have a look at the places!

    Cheers,
    Mike.

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    Hi Westan,

    Here’s the details of the Elizabeth Auction:

    Lot 1 – 11 Hamptworth St, Elizabeth Vale
    “Thee bedroom maisonette requiring floor coverings and minor painting to bring this to a good standard, would rent well. Minimum bid $80,000” I thought it was pretty rough, floors were really dodgy. Could see daylight between the floors and skirting board! Sold for $100K

    Lot 2 – 99 Sampson St, Elizabeth Grove
    “Well presented three bedroom maisonette with excellent painting, polished floors, good stove. One of the best we have offered. Minimum bid $90,000” I though it was nice, well presented. Best maisonette on the list. This onewas passed in at the previous auction. Sold for $96K

    Lot 3 – 20 Butler St, Elizabeth Park
    “3 bedroom home on a corner site. Oposite a reserve, detached garage, good private rear yard, large rooms with polished floor board. A real suprise. Minimum bid $80,000”. This was the pick of the bunch. Great looking place, not a maisonette. I was looking at this one as a PPOR as I’ve just started working in that part of town but the price jumped above my pre-approval limit. Strong bidding, Sold for $117K

    Lot 4 – Cnr Woodford Road & White Parish Rd, Elizabeth North
    “Irregular shaped vacant lot, corner site of 360sqm. Minimum bit $16,000” Sold for $41K

    Lot 5 – 49 Longbridge Road, Davoren Park
    “3 bedroom home requiring work with painging and soft furnishings. Well presented homes opposite and adjacent. Outstanding opportunity for owner occupier or investor.Minimum bid $76,000” . This one was bloody rough – structurally challenged. Big cracks in walls, lots of dead flies, mouldy walls, smelt aweful. Don’t know how someone could have lived in it. However, it’s a nice area, close to train line. Sold for $109K

    Lot 6 – 97 Whitingto Rd, Davoren Park
    “Three bedroom maisonette requiring paint and floor coverings, would respond well to a little effor. Minimum bid $60,000”. Average quality in a dodgy area. Sold for $77500

    Lot 7 – 18 Bell St, Smithfield Plains
    “3 bedroom home on a corner site with carport and secure backyear. Requires work but would respond well. Builtins in all bedrooms. Minimum bid $75,000” Pretty rough, ceilings peeling badly, saggy floors. Sold for $97K

    Lot 8 – 3 Rice Avenue, Gawler South
    “3 bedroom solid brck home with build in lobby, iron garage, good block of land. Perfect location for the first home buyer or investor with tenants waiting” Didn’t inspect this one, sold for $131K

    Overall, bidding was fairly strong. More interest than the previous auction. Minimum bids and reserves had been reduced in order of offload all stock before Christmas. Lower advertised prices and better quality stock (less maisonettes) seems to drive interest.

    Cheers,
    Mike.

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    Hi all,

    Some interesting posts here. I’m not sure how refinancing your IP’s to pay down your PPOR can be a bad thing, unless it would upset the taxman. Here’s a fictional scenario…

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    I have a PPOR and owe $100k. I also own an IP which I purchased for $100k (80k loan) and is now valued at $200k. I believe that the market has peaked in the area where my IP’s are so now is the right time to suck as much cash out of them as possible.

    Repayment details are determined using the calculator on realestate.com.au assuming 7.5% over 25 years.

    Repayments for the PPOR are $739p/m.
    Repayments for the IP are $592p/m with $500p/m being for interest.

    Total payment is $1331p/m

    If I refinance the IP and redraw $80 which I then put directly on the PPOR loan. I now owe $20k on the PPOR and $160K on the IP

    Repayments on the PPOR are now only $148p/m.
    Repayments on the IP are now up to $1183p/m with $1000p/m in interest.

    Total payment is still $1331p/m but I’ve doubled my interest expense on the IP loan, putting an extra $6000 in my pocket come tax time.
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    Is this a reasonable scenario or would the taxman give me a kick to the ass?[B)]

    Cheers,
    Mike

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    Try http://www.hprice.com – think they’re SA only at the moment though. They do the SMS sale/valuation details for a few dollers per request. They used to have a mobile phone simulator on their website where you could use it for free but it’s been disabled now.

    Cheers,
    Mike.

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    If there’s a good reason for selling like you’ve suggested ( I know I wouldn’t want to walk around that area of town at night [B)]), then that’s fair enough.

    Just going by numbers though…
    refinance to realise your $70K gain –
    sticking to 80% LVR, giving you $56K to play with, or $14K for each of your four new purchase s which should more than cover 20% deposit + purchase costs if the average is $40K per house – probably have about 10-15K total left over to spend on improvements to increase the rentability too.

    Assuming you can get $120p/w for each of them, you’re looking at 15.6% yield ((480*52) / 160000 ) if you sell the property,
    or 17.1% ((605*52) / 184000 ) if you keep and refinance.

    Don’t forget about CGT if you sell too. Top tax bracket? 94 – 24 = 70 * 0.485 = 33.95 / 2 (assuming you’ve owned over a year)
    = 16.97 . Have you claimed depreciation? CGT will be even higher!

    So really 94K – 17K CGT – 2K selling costs???
    = 75K .. Not really that much more than the equity from a refinance deal, but you lose $125pw income.

    Given this, there would have to be a really good reason for me to sell the property. Numbers dont mean crap if you’ve got tenants the like to use the floor boards as firewood though [:P]

    Cheers,
    Mike.

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    Westan,

    How is $125p/w at $24K purchase not +ve cashflow? I’d be more inclined to keep them, refinance hoping the bank will agree with the $94K esimate and use that $70K equity as deposits for a few more properties. My strategy is long term – buy, reno, rent and refinance when it appears that the market has risen enough [:P]… or just buy, hold and rent if the “bubble bursts” [:(]

    David,

    Thanks again for that info.

    Cheers,
    Mike.

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    Another example:

    Some realistic numbers for regional SA. Purchase property for $40000 or rent for $100p/w.

    Rent:
    Low income earner might get $30p/w rent relief so real rent is $70 p/w. Bonuses of renting include free water up to 120KL/year, no maintenance costs.

    Buy:
    90%LVR @ 7%p/a = $254/m = %58p/w
    + ~$500p/a for Water & Water rates, sewage etc. = $9.60p/w
    + ~$520p/a for council rates = $10p/w
    + ~$50p/a Emergency services levy = $2p/w
    + Allowance of $500p/a for maintenance = $10p/w
    + $120p/a building insurance = $3p/w

    Total purchase cost is $93p/w over 25 years + $5500 for deposit & buying costs.

    So, by this examnple, a property that more than meets the 11 sec soultion criteria is still cheaper to rent than buy.

    But, take into account FHOG, with the right lender, it can be used to cover the deposit and purchase costs leaving $1500 in the buyers pocket… which covers about the first 1.5 years of the $23p/w higher payments. And in this time, the rent cound very well rise from $100 to $123, making the adjusted rent after government assistance the same as the purchase price.

    I think if renters in such areas were to think forward a few years, they’d see the value in buying. And some do. Others seem to lack the knowledge, ability to save, credit history, etc. to get out of the rental rut. Other would rather rent than be tied down in that location. Often cash flow positive areas are places where the youth will leave for the bright lights of the big city. (I’m guilty of that!)
    … Or they see todays numbers and cant see the point in spending that extra $23p/w. Also, I’m not certain, but I’m lead to believe that unemployment benifits, pension etc. are means tested against assets, so long term unemployed and disabled may be scared of equity.

    That $23 could also be thought of by your low income renter as a free carton of VB or two packs of Holidays every week too [:D]

    This being said, in fairness, I’m a renter – but I’m sharing a low quality house so paying very cheap rent, but it’s in a good location minutes from the CBD for convenience. In this situation, I’m probably paying less rent than many people renting in the cheaper northern suburbs. This area is definately not cash flow positive – although it probably was a few years ago when we moved in. Aint hindsight great! I cound probably afford to buy here, but I’d rather pay cheap rent and use the rest of my money to fund IP aqusitions.

    Cheers,
    Mike

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    Thanks David,

    Will give them a call.

    Cheers,
    Michael.

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