The main problem I find with SS locals is that they only know of three types of posts.
1. The ‘yes man’ post which they cherish and adore.
2. The ‘suck up but disagree’ post which keeps their egos in tact.
3. The ‘get moderated and / or banned “VENOMOUS ATTACK”‘ post which makes them look bad and hurts their precious egos.
I believe they have not yet realised that typing words on a screen is more often than not misinterpreted. If the person is not in the ‘club’, they dive straight for the moderate or ban buttons if their post is perceived as type 3.
What the more sensitive SS locals fail to realise is that there are more than three types of posts. Here are some of them…
4. The ‘who cares because I am just having some fun’ post (very lacking on SS).
5. The ‘I want to stir up a little activity’ post.
6. The ‘totally disagree as you don’t know what you are talking about’ post.
7. The ‘HEATED DEBATE’ post.
Number 7 is a personal favourite of mine and how I see most of my posts which are often described by SS locals and other sensitive forumites as “venomous attacks”. People just love using that word ‘attack’. If heated debate is good enough for our politicians (just watch hansard on ABC), it is certainly good enough for this and other forums.
By the way, regardless of my many ‘venomous attacks’ directed at various ‘ISSUES’, I have no problem whatsoever with any of the writers.
I think it would be appropriate if all new SS members are sent a box of tissues upon joining. They are WAY TOO SENSITIVE over there.
When you say “entry point is far higher”, are you suggesting you can borrow MORE for a blue chip commercial property or LESS than for a residential property?
As much as I am not a fan of wrapping, I must agree with the Pelican boy. It is clearly fraud but I am certain there will be adverse repurcussions for wrappers especially when the media misinterprets events and blows it out of all proportion.
I thought the issue of money being taxed in other countries could be a problem and the fact of foreign ownership of land. Also, prices being driven up through demand would make purchasing property more difficult for US residents.
Finally, (initial capital injection aside as it will be taken back later in addition to capital gains) regardless of where the rental income is taxed, the money that is left will be taken out of the US. This reduces the Domestic circular flow of funds and is a bad thing for the overall economy in my opinion.
Hehehehehe… I meant the “I’m watching you” comment.
With a name like “Gaylord Fokker”, what sort of family show is it? I am not inclined to watch it as it is not my type of humour. I am more into comedians like Eddie Murphy, Will Smith (Prince of Bel Air days) and Seinfeld.
I think the Pyramid is bit harsh. I thought more MLM. I know there are different levels people move through as they sell more. I just wish they told everyone what they were… JUST ANOTHER ‘GROUP’ (‘REAL ESTATE AGENT’ IF LICENSED) WHO REGISTERED A COOL NAME AND MARKETS WELL TO UNSOPHISTICATED INVESTORS.
Hi Steve, good to see you up and about at this hour!!!
Originally posted by allymac:
I have loans with westpac, interstar, Adelaide bank and Nationwide.
I would be moving the lot. Excluding Westpac, your lenders are not competitive on rate regarding fully documented loans.
I have tried to get a loan with HSBC and St George but they are telling me no because I am too rental reliant.
I would like to see HSBC knock you back using a broker. They actively market their willingness to take 100% of rental income into account for servicing and how much they love investors. St George is much tougher on servicing.
I earn 30,000 more in rents than what my wage is. all my loans conbined are geared positive, (just!).
I guess it would also depend on the security types and their locations. Positive usually indicates low LVRs. I don’t know why this would be a problem for a lender.
Is my next option to go for low doc etc. any suggestions!
Sorry Pete, not all Low Doc loans are higher. You can get great rates on low docs these days and it might be a good option for you as you would be one of the few that can declare a REAL income instead of the usual ‘LIE’ Doc application.
Steve, I am a little confused. Don’t you think that a package (MAV) might be perfect here? Maximum exposure issues should not kick in until about $5,000,000 depending on the security offered and deductibility is considered allowing more borrowing. A good rate of 6.62 or 6.72 may also apply (depending on total limits) for a cheap $300 a year with no other upfront and ongoing fees and charges. ??????
I think the only reason the yanks come to Aus is because Qantas is the only commercial airline not to have planes dropping out of the sky and they have to fly via Sydney or Melbourne to get across the States!!!
The 61 means it is an Aussie number. Just ring it and check it out. It could be one of those ‘Hot Sex’ SMS services you subscribe to and forgot to cancel!!!
In my honest opinion, I think newcomers should stay right away from organisations like this. They portray themselves as those helping others but it is so clear to those who know that they would not be wasting their time if they were not making a lot of money.
The ‘Support Member’ structure is of interest to me as I expect they get a ‘cut’ (commission) from all sales made to those they ‘support’. This means that some properties would pay a profit to the developer, a commission to the listing agent, a chunk to The Investors Club and some more to the Support Member. This whole structure also resembles a multi-level marketing structure with the various levels.
Regarding The Investors Club being the “better of the bunch”, this doesn’t say much to me. Imagine you were looking for an accountant and you had a choice of 4 people. 3 of them embezzled more than 1 million dollars each and the 4th only embezzled $100,000. Would you choose the 4th because they are the “better of the bunch”?
Please note that I am in no way suggesting The Investors Club is embezzling anything!!!
I would love to attend a few meetings myself but I am concerned that a brawl may ensue if I challenge their ideals in front of prospective ‘suckers’… I mean ‘members’. As for being called ‘members’, this is also ridiculous. They are just clients or customers like anyone buying a property through a real estate agent (albeit an unlicensed one).
Now that the “reactive” is out of the way , time for some “proactive”.
I believe newcomers would be much better served participating in forums like this, meeting with the various FREE groups that are around, reading informative books (not the ‘Get Rich Quick’ crap), reading through the very informative and FREE Government support websites and finding themselves a good ‘Support Team’ to support them which would include an Accountant, a Financial Planner, a Solicitor, a Mortgage Adviser and other related, licensed and sometimes required support personnel.
Take this forum for example… do a search on almost any topic and you will most likely find numerous hits. Some of those may be incorrect and some may be spot on. I would suggest a newcomer print off anything that catches their eye and then take it to their ‘Support Team’ for verification and suitability checks.
There are also numerous people here willing to help others without expectation of payment or other benefit. All anyone has to do is ASK. If you never ASK, you will never know!!!
I would like to see a new section created on this website just for newbies and those who enjoy helping them. This would end the ongoing criticism that newbies face when asking what some perceive as a silly quesiton or one that has already been asked. It may also shake off the fear of criticism that many newbies experience. Those who get annoyed should just stay out of the NEWBIE SECTION!
I hope this post was ‘reactive’ and ‘proactive’ enough. I like to mix it up a little!!! ))
I think you guys misunderstand what the Reserve Bank can actually do. They are not restricted to cash rate movements. They just realised in the early 90s that keeping inflation within the 2-3% worked well for the economy.
They have various other tools available to them one of which is to give piblic statements or warnings to instigate change without the need to move rates or use other tools.
Remember, they can still release a heap of currency if they want to devalue the dollar. They obviously know something that many doom and gloomers here don’t about why it is good to keep the currency at the higher end. I certainly know who I prefer controlling things!
I think you guys are missing the point of unsecured. The loan to the company is unsecured. The guarantee they seek is secured.
I notice you made no mention of cash in the bank increasing. Turnover does not qualify you to service the loan. If you ceased business today and it was a tough market, how much money would you have left? That would give you a better indication of why you can’t borrow the way you want.
It would be totally irresponsible for a bank to lend money to someone just because they had a bank account with them for 18 months. I certainly would not buy shares in that bank.