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    Did you miss this???

    Originally posted by The Mortgage Adviser:

    Hey David et ors…

    You guys might like to check out the thread:
    https://www.propertyinvesting.com/forum/topic/17299.html

    I am getting hammered due to my lack of economic knowledge (‘using the word ‘the’ instead of ‘a’) which you guys might like to get involved in. Some of your opinions would also be interesting (hundreds of links are NOT needed).

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    They lost the Lebs a while back. Who is the dominant culture now?

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    Marrickville is great! They are in the flight paths (which has no real impact due to steep take-offs) so high-rise should be out for a very long time. It is also extremely culturally diverse and close to the city. It is getting better year in and year out.

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    Originally posted by dmichie:

    dmitchie – is that tongue in cheek or are you serious? his position seems quite different to yours that’s all i.e. correction is a long way off (read: never)

    I didn’t say I agreed with what he has to say, but I respect Colebatch’s opinion, he is one of the better economic commentators.

    I think David is being worn down and moving to the ‘Force’. Forget the ‘Dark Side’!!!

    If you want to read biased, one-eyed clap trap, read Terry McCrann.

    ..OR, just read David Michie! :)

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    Hey David et ors…

    You guys might like to check out the thread:
    https://www.propertyinvesting.com/forum/topic/17299.html

    I am getting hammered due to my lack of economic knowledge (‘using the word ‘the’ instead of ‘a’) which you guys might like to get involved in. Some of your opinions would also be interesting (hundreds of links are NOT needed).

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    Originally posted by APerry:

    Rob,

    “business and properties” mean exactly that, not just properties. Your post “The Australian Government restricts investment in property. That is the purpose of the Foreign Investment Review Board.” appears to suggest that the FIRB has been set up to govern foreign investment in property only. This is patently incorrect.

    You may not claim to be an economist, but you are giving opinions on macro-economics and, quite frankly, much of what you have been saying is absolute crap. I don’t claim to be an economist either, but I have at least a rudimentry knowledge, which you obviously don’t.

    Please feel free to reply as abusively as you like. I couldn’t care less and you only serve to make yourself look like an idiot.

    Regards
    Alistair Perry

    In case you didn’t notice Alistair, YOU are the one throwing the insults. If you are seriously hung up on me saying “the” instead of “a”, I really think you have a problem.

    If my wording confused you too much, I will try and correct it for you…

    “That is A purpose of the Foreign Investment Review Board.”

    I hope that corrects my error that seems to have gotten you all fired up. Feel free to keep insulting me and claiming foul!

    You are not worth of any more of my time.

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    The only problems I have with the structure is risk of declining property values and my obvious capitalising interest concerns. Other than that, if you know what you are doing, it can be a very useful tool.

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    Bonus points for the double twist!!!

    I think a newbie area is a good idea and I think you will find a newbie area included in the near future. I am sure if I start ball-busting Steve like I normally do, he will give in eventually!!! Some help from others may mean this happens sooner. I am very persistent!

    I am also adamant that it not be restrictive though. I just think it should be the first area seen when entering the forum boards and have a good topic description.

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    Originally posted by APerry:

    “The Australian Government restricts investment in property. That is the purpose of the Foreign Investment Review Board.”

    This statement is factually incorrect, see the following taken from the FIRB web site.

    “The foreign investment policy provides for Government scrutiny of many proposed foreign purchases of Australian businesses and properties. The Government has the power under the Foreign Acquisitions and Takeovers Act 1975 (the Act) to block proposals that are determined to be contrary to the national interest. The Act also provides legislative backing for ensuring compliance with the policy.”

    What do you think “scrutiny” and “block proposals that are determined to be contrary to the national interest” means? I determine it to mean “restricts investment in property”. Your quote supports my comment regarding the purpose of the FIRB.

    Rob, your posts are generally show you to be well informed, but your comments on this subject do not. I suggest you go read a book on macro economics.

    Firstly, I do not see ‘Eeconomist’ written under my name in my signature nor do I see any post where I portray myself as an economic expert. I am just airing my opinions on a topic of interest. Secondly, if I wanted to hear your opinion as to my knowledge in a particular field, I would ask for it. Finally, I suggest you go…..

    I won’t finish that last comment!

    Have a nice day Economist!

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    Originally posted by MichaelYardney:

    You are welcome to your opinion.

    You are so diplomatic!!!

    Definately a trait I need to work on. I would love to be your assistant. I would work on 10% commission only as long as you ran at least four seminars a year. $140,000 a year would be very nice.

    Kidding aside….

    It is interesting that over the years I found the main differences between the rich and the poor are.

    1. Their mindset.
    2. The way the invest
    3. The rich have great advisors and are happy to pay for them.

    I could not agree more!

    You are welcome to stay in your your paradigm.

    Nicely put. Unfortunately, I rarely share a similar view to the majority so I think you are way off the mark.

    I just feel $3,500 to sit in a room with 99 others is over the top. I would certainly have no problem if it was a one on one session and the attendee was obtaining a benefit which I believe they would following reading your newsletters. You never answered if you provide ongoing free support. This may be of more value than a group meeting for 3.5k.

    If I could make you $150,000 why would you not pay me a fee. That’s the way my main business (www.metropoleprojects.com.au) works.

    I don’t require your services. I am content with my own abilities. I wish others would be more confident or be courageous enough to ask for help instead of paying top dollar in search of the ‘ANSWERS’.

    I’m suprised at your attitude if you are in business.

    Why are you surprised? Should I be over-charging people to obtain a benefit? Most of the information I see presented at seminars, I have provided free of charge to individuals. Not everyone is driven by money!

    Don’t you think you add value to your clients? Isn’t your time and knowledge worth something? Don’t you expect to get paid for it?

    Or don’t you think you deserve it?

    Of course I think I add value. I would not have any clients otherwise! Regarding how much my time and knowledge is worth, I think it is invaluable but I don’t get off on receiving a dollar reward. I get off much more on a sincere “Thank You!”. What I get paid I consider a bonus. Different strokes for different folks.

    I have not learned my knowledge for free. My time is worth heaps and I have spent a fortune on eductaion including post graduate education. My business partner is an architect and has an MBA in property law and finance.Is his time and efforts at the workshop worthless?

    We all spend money and time. You just charge more for yours than most. Good for you!

    I have paid a lot in time money and stress learning from my mistakes. That must also be worth something.

    Nothing new here. We have all made them.

    There are lots of ways to pay for one’s education. Obviously some people are prpared to spend money and time improving and educating themselves and others are not.

    Totally agree.

    I would suggest that a larger proportion of the first group are likley to well, but I accept that not everyone will.

    So there is no guarantee of success. What if your ideas are beyond an attendees risk profile (comfort zone). Is this not money wasted for them? Should they not be made aware of your methods prior to committing such a large sum of money?

    Michael, as much as I consider you one of the more respected seminar guys in the market, I think $3,500 is a bit steep. The $55 dollar seminar sounds like a pretty good deal and I hope you outline your methods there before hitting people up for the big 3.5k. This would certainly be a far more equitable deal for all.

    When is your next $55 seminar? I would be interested in attending (I promise I will sit silent!) I can only afford this one seeing I do not charge big dollars for my help.

    PS: Mortgage Brokers are not allowed to charge for their services. A dodgy broker gets paid exactly the same as a top of the range broker. This is definately unequitable and another of the reasons behind my getting out.

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    10 Points!!!

    Great backflip Micahel!

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    A final blow!!!

    The usual applies… text in bold and italics is from The Investors Club website.

    The Investors Club provides a range of services to help ensure that investing is a simple and stress-free exercise.

    These services are provided at no cost to the members and include:
    __________________________

    This comment, and some others, are probably best addressed by including the following snippets from the MIAA Advertising Guidelines…

    The misleading conduct provisions require that a business must not in its business activities engage in any conduct that misleads or deceives or is likely to mislead or deceive consumers. As well as direct advertising, the requirement covers representations made during meetings with customers, over the phone, in brochures, on websites and so on.

    Advertising can be innovative, exciting and competitive; but it must also be honest, balanced and accurate.

    We know accuracy is a problem. Just look at the interest rates quoted on the website. Oooops! Honesty and a balanced presentation are still being discussed.


    Risks to Avoid that are Specific to the Mortgage Industry Advertising which uses the following words needs to be carefully checked for accuracy and truthfulness:

    “Independent’ ‘Impartial’ or ‘Unbiased’ Advice
    Is the advice being given, independent, impartial or unbiased and not influenced by factors other
    than the consumer’s best interest? If a broker receives commissions or other benefits from a lender there is potential for the broker to be influenced by factors other than the consumer’s best interest.

    The Investors Club receives commissions from everywhere. You decide where their true interests lie.


    The ‘best’ deal
    It is impossible to demonstrate, at any point of time, in the large and competitive mortgage market
    that a deal is the ‘best’ deal.

    Advertising should avoid such terminology and similar expressions like ‘cheapest’ or ‘lowest
    rates’.

    ‘Guaranteed’
    You should not use the word ‘guaranteed’ unless you are making a contractually binding promise, and, if so, you must make the precise terms of that promise clear. Generally, as terms and conditions are too wordy for practical use, the term ‘guaranteed’ should be avoided.

    ‘Free’
    Is the service you are providing really free or are there other costs the consumer might incur or benefits they might be giving up?

    We know The Investors Club makes commissions. Not much is free in this day and age.


    Use of Charts, graphs, images, on-line calculators
    Charts, graphs, images or on-line calculators, either by themselves or in combination with each other or with words, may create a misleading impression. You need to ensure that the likely audience will not obtain a misleading impression from the material as a whole.

    I am told that The Investors Club uses overhead projectors etc showing charts to support their ‘claims’ regarding their property investment ideas. Surely these graphs would show the decline in value of many off-the-plan properties in recent years so the attendees can make an informed decision. I look forward to attending a presentation.


    If you are making comparisons, make sure you are comparing ‘apples with apples’. For instance, it is misleading to say that a line of credit or offset account product can be paid off more quickly than a standard product if this result can only be achieved by making larger or more frequent payments. If you suggest otherwise, you are not comparing ‘apples with apples’, and may find you have breached the misleading and deceptive conduct provisions.

    This equates to comparing new properties and old properties. Demand for new properties is inflated as a result of the FIRB (Foreign Investment Review Board) requirement that overseas investors can only buy new properties. We have all heard the stories of the ‘spruikers’ ripping people off overseas. If given the choice, I do not believe any international investors would buy these off-the-plan properties.
    __________________________

    So what exactly is provided by The Investors Club????

    Provision of a detailed property investment analysis and selection of properties, specifically chosen to provide members with high returns;

    I would guess that these reports are provided by the developers at their own expense and any property providing The Investors Club with a good commission would be “specifically chosen” and included. You only need to look at their website to see the “specifically chosen” properties. Then walk down to your local real estate who sells off-the-plan properties and presto!!! They also “specifically chose” the same properties…WOW!!!

    Assistance with all legal documentation and tax office compliance to make the process simple and efficient;

    This prevents your independent solicitor trying to snap you out of buying a lemon if they have property knowledge. This sounds like a huge conflict of interest to me.

    Managing the process of finding tenants and looking after investment properties so members don’t have to worry;

    How nice of them to offer to do this. Surely they are not getting a slice of the management fees that goes along with property management??? How about a cut of the upfront commission the managing agent gets for finding a tenant – usually a week’s rent??? Such a nice bunch of people offering to manage your property for you and calling it FREE!

    Regular networking opportunities so members can learn from others’ investment experiences;

    And so they can sell you more of these fantastic investment opportunities. I like it when I hear people call a sales presentation a ‘networking’ opportunity. It always brings a smile to my face.

    Regular updates, newsletters, seminars and meetings to ensure members always have the latest, most up-to-date information;

    This also ensures regular contact with clients, good marketing contact and MORE SALES!

    Valuation reports and value comparisons to ensure members can make their choices with all the available information;

    I am still yet to determine if these are provided by truly ‘independent’ and ‘licensed’ valuers but no members or employees of The Investors Club will speak up in support of the organisation they so dilligently support. Maybe they have been told to keep quiet. Maybe I will be sued. I am quaking in my boots!!!

    Provision of a detailed financial analysis so members can do their own independent research and checking;

    Hopefully a prudent ‘member’ will take this information to their own accountant or solicitor who has not been referred to them by another member or ‘support member’ for proper checking. Also, it is hoped research is undertaken on a recommended property and the area. Every property I saw on the website, I would not touch with someone else’s money!

    Monitoring population trends and growth rates to ensure doubling of values quickly;

    “Ensure doubling of values quickly”… this is the answer to all investors concerns. How can anyone “ensure” when a property value will double, if ever? This is totally misleading and deceptive. Does anyone actually have an off-the-plan propert purchased through The Investors Club that has doubled in the time they were told and it was “ensured”??? Anyone??????

    Assistance with information about Landlord Insurance against ‘nightmare’ tenants;

    I would be guessing more commission is earned here. Why wouldn’t they help.

    Maintaining a large portfolio of available properties in a diverse range of areas throughout Australia and New Zealand, providing more choice and greater investment opportunities; and

    It is a numbers game. The more you have, the more you sell and the more money you make. I would change “greater investment opportunities” to ‘greater SALES opportunities’ and consider it more reflective of the reason behind offering so many properties.

    Assistance with developing personal wealth creation plans to fast-track financial independence.

    YES…more commission here when people invest. I am still wondering who holds all the licenses and certificates required to act as a real estate agent, a mortgage broker, a financial planner, a property manager, and so on. I know it is not the ‘support member’!

    The Selection Criteria

    Correct property selection is critical. To qualify, every property recommended by The Investors Club is tested against the following selection criteria:

    * It should be new, or near new to qualify for full depreciation;
    * Lowest vacancy area;
    * Preference for brick and tile;
    * Excellent transport facilities;
    * Located close to schools;
    * Spacious in area, inside and out;
    * Approved by banks and insurance companies;
    * Low maintenance building and grounds;
    * High capital growth potential;
    * Highest building standards;
    * Close proximity to shopping centres;
    * Highest gearing advantage;
    * Reliable body corporate management;
    * Near freeways that access waterways and beaches;
    * Units/town houses should be within reasonable distance to the CBD or key population growth areas;
    * High employment area;
    * In high demand by tenants;
    * Foreign Investment Review Board qualification;
    * Pleasing landscaping and setting; and
    * High standard of project security and maintenance.

    If their properties were to meet with all these requirements, The Investors Club would have nothing to sell!!!

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    Originally posted by Luci:

    (Just look at Kerry Packer. After deductions he apparently only has a taxable income of $25,000!)

    Maybe because he only pays himself a small wage and does not collect dividends from his company share ownership and most of his assets and toys (cars, etc) are owned by the company.

    Why don’t you find out how much tax his companies pay? He probably pays the equivalent of the Australian Current Account Deficit annualy!

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    I thought a Trust could not borrow. I am also NOT an accountant!!!

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    Originally posted by Terryw:

    Yes. I would be doing this for reasons other than to save tax. I am just not sure on what these reasons are at the moment! Probably cashflow reasons.

    Hehehehehe…

    I am sure the ATO will accept this reason for a viable excuse for deducting capitalising interest at an audit.

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    Originally posted by APerry:

    If foreign investment is bad for an economy, why do so many governments promote it? What you have stated is the case whether its is resedential property, commercial property or businesses that are being invested in.

    The Australian Government restricts investment in property. That is the purpose of the Foreign Investment Review Board. The properties permitted increase job creation. At the same time, they encourage investment in business. What is the difference you ask???

    The latter establishes additional infrastructure, jobs, wages and increased cashflow in the immediate area and overall economy. Profits tend to be reinvested within Australia as well. A business is also less likely to close down and ‘take profits’ as this usually only occurs when they are not making money.

    Can you imagine what would happen if foreign ownership of land was permitted in Indonesia? There would be absolutely nothing left for the locals and prices would sky-rocket.

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    Originally posted by MichaelYardney:
    If I gave what took me 30 years to learn for free, why would people pay for my services.

    If you like, send me a private message with your contact details and I would be happy to send you a copy of last years CD of comments.

    The information you have learned over the years came from your own research and enquiry correct? Surely that was free and just cost you some time.

    Do you ‘guarantee’ that people are going to succeed copying your teachings? (This would be a first!) Do you provide ongoing support or is that additional to the $3,500 fee for the seminar?

    Regarding the CD, I appreciate the offer but I think earning a nice house ($350,000) from each seminar of 100 people tells me enough. The attendees are crazy!

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    9. The ‘soap box’ post.

    Thinking about the ongoing criticism of newbies made me think of school. What the newbie critics here are saying is that the repetitive nature of some of the questions here are a problem.

    I know that when I went to primary school, I asked the teacher what 5 X 7 totalled. I imagine my kids would ask the same question. It would also follow that their kids would also ask this question.

    Following the chain of thought of ‘some’ of the more experienced posters here, questions should only be asked once and an answer written down somewhere for the next person to try and find.

    This is a ridiculous idea especially on the internet which many people have difficulty using at the best of times.

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    Ok. You were referring to price. I thought ‘Middle Earth’ had revolutionised their risk weightings for commercial and residential properties for a second there.

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    Originally posted by Michael Whyte:

    You could even make it such that new members can only post in this sandpit board until they reach 50 posts or some such.

    Very well thought out plan.

    8. The ‘sarcastic response’ post.

    Another of my favourites!

    Kind of like the blind leading the blind don’t you think? How will they learn if all posters are newbies and those with more than 50 posts can’t post there to help them?

    What about very experienced individuals who join up and cannot contribute to the forum because they are restricted to wearing nappies?

    I wish people would get off the case of the newbies and just deal with it. If you don’t like what is being posted, don’t read it.

    Most people here can learn a thing or two from anyone so it is good to have such a diverse community to bounce ideas off.

    If you guys want to scare of the newbies and have some sort of exclusive club, stick to SS.

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