as I have said before IF you are fair dinkum,
don’t worry too much about property at your age… read some books by all means but go kick a footy, or chat up some girls… much more fun.
you’ve obviously been doing this a lot longer than most, so it’s great to have your input, and I’m getting some new perspective on things reading your ideas.
one of the keys to getting stuff out of this forum is taking things on board, and deferring to those with greater knowledge, so the collective knowledge is increased.
perhaps my goal posts might change over the journey, we’ll see.
while your examples are great I reckon people should be encouraged to get into the habit of reading the fin review, age, local rags etc a bit more closely… you’ve proven it’s not brain surgery, it’s just a matter of opening your eyes and ears and widening your range of perception.
abc.net.au is another good source of finding out daily news for particular areas…
*** “Positive cash flow residential property will never keep up with the return on good capital gain property” ***
i think most people would agree with that, but it depends on what you’re looking for. With my strategy, I’m on a 10 year plan, where I aim to have 20 fully paid for properties giving me today’s equivalent of $150 per week, that’ll be $150k before expenses, which will be rates, PM costs and insurance… it’ll still leave me with more than 6 figures of income (talking in today’s terms) which is plenty of fat to live the life that I want and it is comfortably achievable.
I’m in the fortunate situation of having a reasonable job, so I’d also like some more high growth stuff as well, my place on the vic coast has gone from $170k to $370k in 2 years.
might be hard and a bit exxy to get on the blower and make some calls, but that’s always the best way… do you have any family here who could do some investigations for you?
There’s a lot of info on economic development available on the web… particularly WA… as for specific areas of Bunbury, well, maybe you should just wait until you get here and suss the joint out for yourself… better peace of mind if nothing else.
trying to think of a way of saying this without sounding like a “w a n k e r”, so here goes.
get out of your comfort zone beancounter, you have to look harder, and if you’re fair dinkum about going down this avenue, you will look far and wide, you will fly or drive somewhere, you will not neccesarily find the deals in your back yard… you might end up buying 2000km away… this “game” as so many people like to call it, is not for everyone… by the way, it ain’t no game, those dollars are real, so is the risk…
i’d look at economical ways of making the house as appealing as i could… fresh paint etc etc… remember that even though you would not live there, it still has to have some sort of appeal to tenants, all my places are nice and clean and tidy… not ultra modern by any stretch, but definitely liveable.
I know the potential of dumps. i bought one amongst several purchases when i was there, and I’ve renovated before.
I’m not an expert, but I did a hell of a lot of research into Rocky before I went there, and trust me, I looked at around 60-70 places over a week, this one was not good. I don’t profess to be a building guru, but this had trouble written all over it.
The point of my post was to do homework before buying, cos a lot of people are not. It was just an example of one regional city, which I’m sure can be replicated elsewhere. More of a friendly warning to the newbies more than anything else, and a pointer to the value of looking into the market thoroughly.
In my judgement it was trouble at 52k, 65k? no way. There’s good houses in rocky at 65k, but over the internet it’s hard to know the difference for some people.
so many people come here saying “where do i buy where do i buy”, but instead of just pointing them in a direction (which I think is a waste of everyone’s time), it’s worth warning of the pitfalls too I reckon, even the ones that i’ve noticed (not experienced yet, touch wood) in my limited experience.
I’m not sure how old that 0.3% figure is… over on the somersoft board they were still quoting it, but I don’t think it’s been updated for a couple of years… I wonder how different it is now with all the buzz on PI. Does anyone know? I’m at work and can’t hunt it down just at the minute.
Now, I am a believer in property investing as being my path to what I want financially, but really, what type of person says this of a 94 year old??
*** “forceably remove her and her stuff” ***
Jeez I was mad when I read this. What have some of us become in the pursuit of a dollar? I feel sick, and angry [!] I hope that when you are in your twilight years no-one takes this selfish, heartless attitude towards you, then again perhaps if they did, it might bring some late realisation on the benefits of treating people as FELLOW HUMANS not DOLLAR SIGNS in your earlier days. I believe in the saying that what goes around comes around.
Hypothetically, if the woman in question did pass away due to the stress of the situation, how much would you value your $7k then? I’m tipping it wouldn’t bother some one iota…
I’m with Di_Cam – “Give back the 7 grand!”
I also agree with Elysium-M “Don’t try to be too clever and think you can have your cake and eat it. Because you could get burnt!”
I work at Channel 9, and I hope ACA does do a story on it, because I think there is more than a few people out there trying to pull dodgies with the first home owners grant.
I spent a week in Rocky in June (and I didn’t go to Steve’s seminar), there’s some good deals to be had still… a lot of the “over the phone” buyers have been a bit stupid and careless though, going on my discussions with agents when I was there… scott (another poster) would agree with me… if you do a search you might find our thread where we discussed rocky and buyer behaviour quite a bit… it makes me chuckle that when there is a place with high yields, people automatically think there’s something wrong with it… also, don’t assume there’s no capital growth to come… it might not be skyrocketing, but it’ll be there
While RK might not consider the house an asset, I do… and to me, an asset does not need to be about producing income…
Put it this way, in regards to the ppor I bought a year ago, I now have 60 acres 50 mins from Melb that I plan to grow some grapes on, keep horses, indulge in some landscaping, build whatever I want, develop my dream home etc etc… all while keeping my day job, while at the same time building an IP portfolio that should see me retire in 10 years.
For me, and I stress, FOR ME, having my own property is an asset that can’t just be measured in financial terms… it’s mental as well, in that I have my own patch that I can enjoy.
I know that I would definitely reach my retirement goal quicker if I wasn’t paying it off, but the improvements I’m doing are adding value, the c.g. of these types of properties is great at the moment (the cg on my place in particular has been outstanding)… I’m able to access the capital gains via my LOC to keep buying places, so it works for me. It’s not everyone’s choice, but I’m happy with it. I think that’s the key… I’m not obsessed with IP, but it is definitely the right path for me… however I’m not going to sacrifice EVERYTHING to get there… heck, I could get hit by a bus tomorrow…
I bought 4 in a regional city recently, average return will be 10% once they’re tenanted… I’m also confident of 5-8% cg for the next few years, going on previous cycles…
If both yield and cg add up to 15% then I’m happy enough.