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Hi Scotty
I am so sorry to hear what happened to you.
Why don’t you contact Jenman and see what advice or help he can give you? Just go to google and type in “Jenman Kaye” and you’ll get plenty of info on what has been happening. It’s not over, by the looks of it.
Merry Christmas – may 2004 be better for you.
Bec
Speaking of dominoes, this is an article I just read.
http://www.jenman.com/NewsArticles1.php?id=65
I am not sure I agree that so many will walk away, (or maybe it’s hard to believe and I need time to disgest it all) but it is surprising that so many people bought when all the signs should have been clear to them.
Says something about the sales skills of the developers, eh? Are they to “blame”?
In this case, I think – with most of these off the plan sales – that the buyers have to be responsible.
Again, one would need to know what they were told, but it must have been pretty obvious.
Hindsight, eh?
Why can’t we all place a bit more emphasis on foresight.
Cheers
Bec
I didn’t really think you were deriding him, just being a tad cynical about his motives.
But, let’s face it, we all have to get paid somehow. There is a big difference between being paid and being bought.
From what I can discern, he cannot be bought. I think he has proved that, many times, and therefore he (perhaps) deserves a little less cynicism than he may have once attracted.
The way I read it, if he wasn’t legit, he would not have had such a long run.
I read a story about how Henry Kaye put a private detective agency on to him – followed him for months and dug back 30 years into his past – right back to his school days. They didn’t find a thing to pin on him.
How many of us would come up clean if someone dug into our past or followed us around for a few months.
The thought of it is enough to give me the creeps.
Be careful.
Bec
I thank you for your replies. I am aware of Jenman and it seems that his critics are mostly those tied to practices he opposes. I have a very strong feeling that he is genuine. In fact, I’d bet the house on it, I really would.
We need more people to stand up and speak out. I think they should be encouraged.
Cheers
Bec
Thanks for that, Wayne.
Oh sure, I don’t mind a bit of cynicism – as you know, I am partial to it myself.
However, I think you’re on the wrong path with Jenman’s motives. If you look at his web site, I am sure he says that some of the worst agents are those who have claimed to have done his ethics courses.
Also, I saw a post from the wrapper, Mr Otton, where Jenman lost lots of his members. The reason was because he insisted on upholding some pretty tough ethical standards. I read the codes on his web site and I must tell you, they’re pretty good.
I get his newsletter and it is not possible to write the way he does without being genuine.
Wayne, there are so many shonks out there, that when someone takes them on at great personal cost, I think some of us need to realise that there is a time for sniping and a time for praising.
If you ever get caught, I bet Jenman will be there to help you – no matter what it costs him. But perhaps you’re too smart to get caught. I know I’m not.
Anyway, these are just my thoughts. I don’t want to sound like an ad for Jenman, but just an ad for what’s rare in the world today and what needs to be encouraged – sticking up for our fellow humans when things go wrong for them.
Aw, now I feel like crying.
Cheers
Bec
Well, how wonderful to see a wonderful person mentioned on this forum instead of the usual gang of get-rich shysters. Noel’s books are some of the best in the world. Anyone who has not read them is being deprived of some vital investing information.
The best thing about Noel Whittaker is his honesty. The worst thing is that he’s modest. Why is it always the way that the duds, such as those goons at Richmastery, make all the noise and the gems like Noel are so quiet?
Perhaps that’s how we can recognise the best advisors – they are modest.
Cheers
Bec
Dear Sue
I am not sure what you mean about laughing because Jenman is in the story? It is my understanding that Jenman has done a lot to not only stop Henry Kaye but also to help Henry’s victims. And, it seems that he has done all this at great personal and professional risk to himself.
So, what’s funny about it when journalists quote him?
Bec
It’s not much of a book. It’s written by a chappie who failed big time to make it in real estate selling and then wrote a small time book to get revenge.
This is just my opinion – sort of like the real estate equivalent of a sad Shakesperian tragedy.
It’s hard to find because there weren’t many printed, it was self-published and it lasted in the shops for about as long as it takes to say going, going, gone.
I have a copy which I used to prop up a short leg on a desk in my husband’s office at home.
As a favour to you, I just slipped a copy of a Craig Turnbull book under the desk leg and so can give you Mr Tigani’s last known phone number. It’s 07 378 8729. His address was listed as PO Box 547, Kenmore, Qld.
Cheers
Bec
P.S. I have just had a quick flick through it and it’s worse than I remember.
Here’s a typical extract of the sort of rivetting information it contains –
“The real estate section in daily newspapers is a good source of information.”
And try this one –
“If the agent at the inspection has a brochure handy, take one.”
And this –
“The majority of property buyers need to borrow money in order to buy.”
These are the best pieces I could find.
Gee, you have sure picked the dodgy trifecta here. If Henry Kaye was still in business, you’d have had his name in there, too.
Richmastery are two boys from NZ who have been exposed in a number of places in the past few months. Stay away from them. You have been warned. Yes, their offer may look good, but looks – especially in the get-rich world of real estate – can be very deceptive.
The Hannas are getting out of the get-rich seminar (for them) business. Nothing to do with the fact that their ads have been as outrageous as Henry Kaye’s and the ACCC are breathing down their necks. Just coincidence, of course.
As for Mr Otton, well, there are pleny of posts here on this site to let you know about him.
Why don’t you go to a good bookshop and pick up some good books on investing? Try one called The Millionaire Mind. I’d wager that all the people dealing with these three have NOT read that book. If they did, they wouldn’t want to deal with them.
I hope this helps. And I hope, too, that this message stays on the forum.
Cheers
Bec
WARNING
Stay away from these turkeys.
Bec
I think you are all a bit hard on this person over what, I admit by today’s standards, is a minor ethical issue.
There is no doubt that it is unethical to have a mailbox and call it a suite. But you just have to ask why he does it. The answer is obvious. He wants to look better than he is, to create an image. Sadly, this is the way of the world, especially in business. Big differences between the appearance and the reality.
It’s all about EGO. It’s what happens to little boys when they grow up to become business men. They are still little boys inside trying desperately to win the approval of the world.
So, let’s not catch Rick out on this. Let it just be a clue – and leave it at that.
As for the young questioner, it’s sweet to see such idealistic outrage. Don’t knock it.
Cheers
Bec
Excellent advice, Michael. While no one wants to come down hard on someone just because they’re young, there is a big difference between new kids who think they know it all and those who have seen it all.
Some friends sent me the ESC video and we all sat down and wathced it the other night. It was puerile and pathetic.
Apparently this Phil Jones has been compared to Henry Kaye. Forget it, Henry Kaye, as bad as he may have been, had brains.
Bec
I suppose sometimes you just gotta spell it out.
ESC are dodgy, very dodgy. With age comes wisdom, although when these toddlers get older they’ll be just as dodgy. By “nappies” I was referring both to their age and their experience. They paddled out into the booming real estate surf a couple of years ago and, like many of today’s “experts” they have only ever known rising prices.
As for my explanation of “horror deals” here is the meaning spelled out. The deals they offer are often NOT below the real value.
One of the biggest signs of a dodgy property operator is anyone who offers to find/source/sell a property “below valuation” and then tells you that you can put it for sale again immediately for its real value. Ha ha. What a joke.
Many of the most experienced, wise and respected property people in NZ know all too well what these people are like – DODGY. That’s D-O-D-G-Y.
Now, having been told, go ahead and deal with them if you choose. Some people need to lose money in order to become wise. Me, I prefer to learn from observing the mistakes of others. It’s a lot cheaper.
Bec
WARNING
Phil Jones and his mob are becoming notorious in NZ.
As Bill says, “They will eat you alive.” They are the Kiwi version of Henry Kaye.
Many of their “great deals” are “horror deals”. They are barely out of nappies. Mark my words – they are going to fall down and take lots of people with them.
This is all I am going to say about them, at this stage.
Stick with Bill’s advice. PLEASE!!
Bec
Bill, Just in case no one has said this before, I think you are a good and wise man.
The best advice that I could give novice investors at the moment would be to heed your advice.
You’re a true gem.
Cheers
Bec
Bill, Just in case no one has said this before, I think you are a good and wise man. T
he best advice that I could give novice investors at the moment would be to heed your advice.
You’re a true gem.
Cheers
Bec
If you don’t like Jenman’s articles, then don’t read them. I love them. Who else names names and gives as many facts as he does? It’s weird that you say you don’t know anything about Jenman’s system but you are sick of Jenman. Tell me some facts about the facts he has written that you have a problem with. How can you stick up for the crooks? (Unless you are one). Not an ounce of thought or compassion for the victims. If his stories are not true, why has he not been sued? Good point?
Bec
Comparing Neil Jenman to Henry Kaye is like comparing Elliott Ness to Al Capone (that’s what I heard someone say, but I agree).
I don’t think Jenman is without faults (who is?!)but I’ve been watching him for a long time and I reckon he’s the real deal.
Thanks for the chance to say this.
Bec
