You may not tell them but I will (and already have … if they would only use that search button…).
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P.S: Hmmm, OK you are right there are one or two things I wouldn’t tell but not so that I “can keep an edge” but for other reasons…
Let me leave you with this thought… You can give the absolute BEST info to people serve it in gold, diamonds and ivory… but only less that 1% actually listen to what you have to say… (this is so true it is not funny!)
I actually wrote a bit about this before… I even said that when I find a great spot to invest in I would let people know.. actually Cairns is one of them… but you know what… it is not going to make a bit of difference… I guess you will experience this with time…
I give great info to people I meet, but if they don’t ask questions and have an inquisitive mind I don’t shove it down their throat… no use wasting time, but if they do… I let them mine to their hearts content!
as for running through the numbers… why not!
what do you need to know?
Hmmm, actually it would be a bit too personal … I guess you could give us “dummy” numbers… Actually it would be too involved … I will leave it for your accountant to do
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it may not be worth it, cause everytime i came back from oversea’s i was dumping anything from 5k – 20k into the loan (i paid it off in three years)
Was that your PPOR loan or an IP loan?
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Hi Pinit,
In your quote above, you say that having an offset account on your PPOR is not advantageous, but having one on your IP is. Why is that? I would have thought you are better off having a offset account over your PPOR as the interest isn’t deductible, therefore every dollar you put in there completely offsets against the interest.
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OK, let me clarify… An offset account is only really useful for an IP loan ONCE you have fully repaid your PPOR loan!
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OK so let’s say you have fully repaid your PPOR loan and you now have a IP loan ($100,000)… with an offset account… You come back from overseas with an extra 20K and dump it into your offset account. (so you only pay interest on 80K) Then you decide to go on holidays with your family and say it will cost you 20K (yea, I know …) well if you take it out of your offset account you then pay interest on the 100K BUT it is all tax deductable….
Let’s say you didn’t have the offset account… and put the money straight into your IP loan and then decided to go on holidays… well this means that since you have used 20K for personal use, the interest on that 20K is no longer tax deductable! So you can only claim the interest on the 80K and not the whole 100K if you had the offset account…
Some of you have mentioned loosing your “job” as a bad thing… might be a good thing [].
What I said is you must make sure you have a “secure income stream” this does NOT mean you must have a secure job… definitely NOT!!!
Let me give you an example… If you have 10 properties with equity of over $100,000 in each then you would only have to sell one property every year to get $100,000 a year for the next 10 years… Now obviously you reinvest some of that and keep the ball rolling… This is a very powerful concept I will leave you to think about…
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The more you pay the taxman, the more money you make.
STOP saying that!!! I know what you are trying to say but I honeslty hope you don’t actually believe that!
balance your portfolio with a few negative gear positive cashflow properties…
melbear is exactly right when she says (I will quote it because it is worth reading again ):
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Shaun, don’t focus so much on individual properties. Look at the overall portfolio!
If you refinance your PPOR, then use all of that money to buy +ve properties. Then you may have some -ve properties, and some +ve properties, but when you add them all together, you should come out +ve.
I’ve got some of each, and don’t worry particularly about any particular, but as I said, I add them all together, and assess what I need to do from that vantage point.
And I might add “you should come out +ve” AND pay less tax!
Why don’t you re-lodge your tax return for the last 3 years and get your money back!
yes this is very easy to do… talk to your accountant about it…
Just think about it carefully though since it may not be worth it now… (since when you sell you will have to take into account the depreciation… and pay a little more tax on your profit …)
Depends on your situation, circumstances etc…
If you want me to run through the numbers I would be happy to do it … for the benefit of all.
Even though you can’t have an infinite amount of properties they generally are in higher growth areas .
The only disadvantage is that you must have a secure income stream.
But how many properties do you really want? and will you have the time to look after all of them … (trust me something ALWAYS goes wrong… the more you have the higher the risk too )
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P.S: When doing calculations you must use your income NOT your tax bracket as the more -ve geread +ve cashflow you have will change your tax bracket…
I thought we flogged this one to death not so long ago…
Simply it is the amount of cash you “physically” put into a deal, to the amount of cash you get back from it…
Therefore for positive geared propeties the cash on cash return can “potentially” be INFINITY… However I remember saying that it does not necessarly mean that “positively geared” properties are the best deals though… You also need to look at the TOTAL cash on profit…
For example the CoC return might be infinity put your total cash profit for the year may ONLY be $1,000.
Whereas another CoC return may be 50% but this time the total cash profit may be $10,000.
Oh yes, sorry I thought you already had an IP… Having an offest account on your PPOR is not that advantageous… (but worth having on your IP loans..)
Yes, the interest on your PPOR is NOT tax deductable. I alredy said that, if you re-read my first post… (I am guilty of the same!!)
Rugbyfan,
You do have heaps of lazy money in your house … you just can’t see it yet…
All you have to do is use the equity in your PPOR to purchase other properties…
If you are going to buy 1M worth of properties I would seriously consider using trusts..
And then again be very careful what you buy as things are slwoing down considerably…
Talk to as many professionals as you can to get a good understanding of what it is you REALLY want to achieve.
I think the rest have covered the other major points.
I think the post is irrelevant since we can’t discuss shares anymore…
I would say that property has worked very well for me, but at the same time I think that shares (if you know what you are doing) have their place… I am still learing though… or should I say: I sitll have A LOT to learn though
I want to see a share trader or property investor who does it fulltime without selling books and seminars. Does such a beast exist or would that be another amazing story?
Yep they exist and there are plenty of them… you just have to look in the right places…
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However it annoys me when they lead us to believe they make most of their money from their investments, and that their educational activities are a sideline. Come on!
My philosphy is: “Give people the best info you have for free, those that will do something with it deserve it, and those that don’t, have no excuse!”
Your questions are not that complicated … And yes there is a solution!
But I need to cover a bit of ground first:
you said:
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The only downside with that is we have never saved a cent because we have been of the opinion it is better to get rid of debt. We have redrawn on the mortgage a number of times for renovations, o/s holidays etc as the redraw facility seemed like the best way to access large amounts of cash we needed.
I hope you were using an offset account!
If you had an offset account linked to your investment loan you would be able to spend the money in your offset accout and still get the tax deductions from your investment loan…
I am not sure from your post whether you are aware that you can claim the interest repayment on your interest loan as a tax deduction.
Debt is Good! or should I say the right kind of debt is good…
What you want is to ask your banker or mortgage broker to get a loan that is split (no I did not say a “split loan”!)
Basically they will value your PPOR and have several loans (so to speak) on it. (really it is just different accounts.)
One account will be called PPOR debt.
The other will be called “investment” account.
You can then draw down money from your investment account to invest in other properties, and the interest you pay on this investement loan is tax deductable. (the interest on your PPOR loan is NOT!)
So all you need to do is have a chat with a banker or even one of the mortgage brokers on this forum.
Why don’t you do both? OK you may not be able to do this but this is just a thought…
Do you have an investment property?
If you had a postive cashflow property that was mortgaged with an Interest only loan, the surplus money that you have could be put into an offset account for you to spend on your personal things whenever you wanted to, and you would still get the maximum tax deduction from the interest on your IO loan.
Also do you know the trick about the 55 day inteterest free credit cards and having it lincked to a LOC account?
You can save a lot of money there too… but as always with money you have to keep track of it and spend it wisely.
I understand Steve’s position completely … however I did really enjoy the posts form WayneL and some from Crashys … therefore I set up a forum for people to discuss “general investing” strategies here: