I know of someone who recently bought a property at auction for $ 700 K yet the lender’s valuer saw fit to only place a value of $ 620 K on the property ‘because he considered that the
purchase price was too high’.
This is unheard off as it is pretty well standard practice that a sale at arm’s length (certainly a sale at an auction) that the valuer automatically would adopt the selling price as the value of the property.
So yes it certainly looks as if prices may be in the process of stabilising for a while.
The market collapsing ? At this stage that is much too strong an expression to use.
Guys, there was a time when interest rates were 11 or 12 % and the market didn’t collapse.
Keep things in perspective.
If one presently has a 6 or 6.5% rate of interest and if a ONE percent increase in the rates causes some people having to walk away from the loan and their property then I agree they are without a doubt overcommitted right now.
But how many people are really in such a precarious situation ?
What is the hurry to buy 20 properties within the next twelve months. (or for that matter three or four) ?
If it is a fast ride and excitement you are after take up skiing or motor car racing. That is much safer for your health than buying properties and having no spare cash left in your pocket for emergencies.
One and foremost the most important thing is to
not sail too close to the wind by taking on too high a commitment and consequent pressures.
If that means that one must consider the possibility of having some cash reserves (or the ability to draw some further money on a loan) or to progress at a slower rate isn’t that the way to go ?
Presuming that one looks for and has been able to buy some properties below the market price what is wrong with selling one or two along the way so as to get in a stronger cash position ?
Also, as I think I have mentioned before, when taking up a loan choosing an interest only loan
(and thence making payments on the basis as if it is a Principle & Interest loan) isn’t a bad idea as many such loans allow one to redraw the excess we have paid to the lender in the event we come under some pressure.
Thanks mate but I’m still confused. My home is where I hang my hat, if I owned a hat. I have no emotional attachment to bricks.
I understand the long term thought as per Mel’s approach. What of having cash on hand to grab an opportunity ? I don’t plan on living here forever. What’s the diff in selling whether it be IP or PPOR, given your point on 12 months and 1 day ?
OK .. anything by Elvis, Vanessa Amorosi, Dido or even the Dixie Chicks !! Not the Landslide one, the other one .. about the soldier .. (solllljaa)
If she’s a blonde .. “She drives me crazy with her long blonde hair” .. mmmm showing my age methinks ..
“Will you save the last dance for me” (girl singer, so it has to be from her to him) .. mmmm age again….
It’s a bugger having reached 40.
Ummmm .. how ’bout you send me some detail on how they met. I’d be happy to compose a poem to them from you. Better still, a poem from the Groom to his Bride if he wants some ideas in wooing her for life. She will hold him to any promises though, so we can’t get too carried away.
Don’t forget the usual best wishes .. as in .. we hope you have 18 children .. 18 boys a football team .. or .. 18 girls a golf course.
If all else fails you can’t beat “The Shiek from Scrubby Creek” and “I love to have a beer with Duncan” .. nothing to do with a wedding, but it will have the guests laughing. It has to be an occasion to remember!
I am experiencing the same indecision. I’m a bastard for procrastination. The what ifs are never-ending. One thing I have learnt, when I don’t know what to do I do nothing. Then the market makes it’s decision for me.
As you said Kay “If you think you have max value, then it’s time to get out”. Yet .. Mel’s proven approach is one of long term thinking.
Bill.. you’re a bugger for making me think. No, I would not buy my own house today, but yep I’d short sell it. Question is, where does this leave me for borrowing next time?
CashKing .. maaaate .. I just love your succint, colourful and “to the point” approach. Your thoughts are what I needed to hear. You have certainly made me think again. Thanks for your reply here. I think I’m acquiring a taste for blood!
Rather than start a new thread, would those of you have responded here be happy to reiterate your thoughts on my simple dilemma? Kay, I like your point about selling up to buy other cheap properties in time. Other opportunities apart from direct property investing are also an option.
Agent suggests I would realise $300K. I owe $220K. Bank valuation for debt consolidation came in at $255K. So, I know it’s inbetween the two.
Prediction .. rates will increase by 0.25% next quarter, followed by another 0.25% – 0.5% within say 6 months.
A/ Stay as is .. no car payments nor credit card debt due to consolidation. Increased mortgage payments (PPOR)with a levelling off in CG at best.
B/ Sell .. Up to $80K cash in hand (call it $50K at worst), no more car payments, no credit card debt, have to rent, cash at ready for opportunity.
Last question .. My PPOR is in Canberra, as I bought in January, am I subject to CG tax if I sell prior to 12 months ownership?
Thanks for those of you who have stayed with me on is. I do need some direction, as simple as my dilemma may sound.
If two people own several properties together then (it is my understanding) that they can exchange their share in one property for their partner’s share in another property and no stampduty is payable provided each of the shares in the properties is of equal value.
If one half of a particular property is worth more than one half share in another property then there will be stampduty payable on the difference.
Having an option to buy and thence selling the option ?
I believe that the stampduties office would consider the option itself as a document which will attract stampduty at the same rate as a contract.
So you wouldn’t be able to avoid stampduty unless your friend the developer would be prepared to co-operate.
And both of you would be breaking the law by being a party to evading stampduty.
I doubt that a solicitor would be readily be prepared to be involved as it wouldn’t be worth his while to run the risk of losing his ticket to practice.
The vendor’s solicitor too will not be happy being involved and will therefore be advising his client (your friend) against replacing the contract to purchase with a call option.
If you want to get advice from your solicitor it would have to be based on a hypothetical scenario.
You can also get the same information free from the stampduties office.
Kay, really now, you are looking at things from the wrong angle.
As Mel said, ‘you didn’t cause the defaulter to default’.
It may be a sad story but if the property is going to be sold anyway what’s the difference.
You coming on the scene is good for at least a couple of reasons :
1. If you happen to finish up buying the property (be it at auction or by private treaty) it means that your bid or offer is higher than the underbidder’s bid so it is ultimately to the defaulter’s advantage to have you competing with other buyers as this will produce a higher selling price.
2. The second point is even more important than any other consideration.
The defaulter actually losing his house and possibly losing some money on it is not anywhere as important as the defaulter possibly being able to avoid getting a(nother) bad mark against his name.
If the situation is absolutely hopeless the defaulter is infinitely better off selling early enough so as to avoid the lender taking action against him/her in the court (and, in the process, even possibly bankrupting the defaulter).