Well constructed arguments by both parties here. Richmond, well put, no one chooses to be poor. And I say that not just because you showed me empathy re the Child Support issue.
To balance that argument however, (forever a fence-sitter I am, as I see valid points in most any debate, perhaps I should be a Diplomat), I would like to share a real life example of expenditure vs income.
KK and MM, perhaps I can express your views by example in more eloquent terms. Richmond, take note, these guys have a point, but your point about choice is the over-riding factor. You are correct.
I had 3 jobs, 7 days at age 17. One of which was the Mr.Whippy Ice Cream truck. The largest sales came from the poorer suburbs. I even learnt that I should look for the most number of milk bottles by doorsteps to target the best streets. This meant more kids. Yep, the poorer suburbs spent a few dollars on instant gratification. That was their reward, as is cigarettes and alcohol .. instant. A poor family could not consider the concept of long term investment gratification with marginal disposable income.(Yes, I hear echoes of “The Richest man in Babylon”). Most of these people are hard workers from my experience. That is what they know. They do their best, and have the same wishes for their kids as any other parent. Due to circumstance by which ever method you wish to describe, these same people place their children first. Their “choice” then becomes instant gratification in a small way, as that is what they can afford today.
Children come first, be it long term or short term.
>>I purchased the WrapPack some time ago and the best part of it for me has been the $50 financial calculator. Basically you need to spend more after shelling out the $2000, there was an enclosed letter from a WA based solicitor named >>Jeremy Malcolm who specialises in the contracts required. You also need to obtain a credit providers licence, unsure of the cost.
To summarise, I wasted my money as I feel the strategy is less viable now with even easier crdit available, ie low docs, no deposit loans etc.<<
In Sydney there is a solicitor called Cordato who has put a lot of work into wrapping contracts
and who from what I read is highly recommended on another website I frequent.
Rather than spending $ 2,000 on a set of contracts (most of which aren’t suitable for your particular type of real estate deal anyway) and which contracts probably have been prepared by someone like Cordato anyway why not let him (or someone like him if you are in another state) act for you and you will get the suitable contract
as part of the conveyancing ?
I actually saw him in his office and he quoted me conveyacing costs which are quite resonable.
Please note that I have no connection with the gentleman concerned.
You are the Landlord. Grab it by the b&^^% and take charge. As you suggested managing it yourself, I can only presume your IP is local to you.
Who cares what stories the agent might tell? If you approach your tenants, explaining that you are unhappy with the agent’s service, yet you value them as tenants, no one will lose excepting the agent. Your saving in the agent’s fees is equivalent to a rent increase anyhow, let alone any future rental increases.
You have done your bit by fixing the urgent stuff. Sort it out one-on-one with the tenant. If you like them, lock them in for a couple of years. Jack up the rent by that $5 a week and give them a week’s free rent from the 18th of December. Happy Christmas!
I weighed up Alf’s logic 2 weeks ago, and felt the same as he. However, Bill you are adamant that I should ride it out.
I’m thinking if I had cash in the bank to be set for an opportunity in say 18 months time, I would have enough cash to borrow far less than 80% on another PPOR then. This would afford me a LOC. The balance I could then use for diversification in the stock market.
Convince me to stay put guys, else I have a 2 storey townhouse on offer before I miss the boat.
Well, you have just shown me three lessons in your introduction.
Your topic already suggests that we need to crawl before we can learn to walk. You have foregone your car for the prospect of long term wealth. You are obviously savvy enough to form your own opinion about not buying until after Christmas.
Well done.
Arguments for and against aside, watch for another 0.5% increase in rates by March next year. Do not however use the market interest rates as your sole decision for investment. Weigh up the buy price, rentals, potential growth .. go for it.
The response time on site is now negative and getting slower. The letters appear only after the sentence is written. Please excuse any slow responses to your thoughts.
Points taken. However, if a poor person starts spending the disposable income, what do you think this will do for the economy?
If spent, surely we will see growth, more jobs.
If saved, will the financial institutions then be flush with funds for further lending, leading to even further growth?
If you agree, is this not a win-win circumstance for the economy?
“They” can cry all they want .. the point is, as Fatboy refers to is equity of effort and risk.
The poorer have a doubled break in tax, and the richer must get smarter because nothing is tax deductable. Reward for effort is then more equitable and encouragement to work is more attractive with a reasonable flat tax rate. “Bracket creep” will disappear from the language.
As for Child Support, Fatboy is correct. In fact, I end up with 32 cents in my pocket after I earn my next dollar. And that’s supporting only one child. This is because the 18% is based on gross income. After tax is taken out, this turns into around 25% of nett.
No father would begrudge payments (hopefully) for their own child’s welfare. However, this is
another inequity in the system whilst attempting to build an assett to leave that very same child.
As Richmond pointed out, it’s a problem to be solved within the laws of the Child Support Agency. However, the CSA is simply another tentacle of the ATO.
Whatever laws exist, we can only use them to the best of our advantage. Utopia in Taxland will never arrive to satisfy the wants of all. We need our common infrastructure, and each of us need to contribute in a fair way.
What are your thoughts on an even simpler tax system?
Double the tax free threshold to $12,000 and pay a flat rate of tax after that amount regardless of personal income. No claimables, no rebates, income derivation is up to the individual.
Staples cost the same for all, luxuries are a choice for those who choose to afford it.
In two words .. no way. Jitters might not be the word, but more along the lines of what Richmond said .. take a quiet look. That is, keep an eye on the market continually. My bet is no buying until at least 6 months after the next interest rate rise. Wait for the flood and perhaps diversify in the mean time.
I was surprised to see you actually seeking help here. Then look what you did, in your usual style you found your own solution! I’m proud to know you kid and I value your street-learned input for what it is. Please don’t hold back from answering questions, as others have asked questions which were on my mind and you have more than often delivered sound advice. Those of us who read your words know that you are the difference between talking about something and actually having the experience to share for our benefit. This is very much appreciated, please keep it up.
If you buy a property with someone who is not your partner (wife/husband or defacto) in my experience, in the absence of any contrary arrangement described in a written agreement between the partners at the time of purchase (emails between the parties involved probably nowadays are sufficient to establish the date of such agreements), the tax department regards the relative share of the property (so equity + borrowings) of each party as being an indicator as to who should declare the profits. So if you had a property of $250K, including establishment costs like stamp duty, one person puts up the deposit of $50,000, you jointly get a mortgage of $200K, paid off $50,000 by the person with the deposit and $150,000 by the person who didn’t contribute any deposit, the ATO are likely to say the profit should be split 40%:60%
house cost – $315k
building cost – $35k
sell each unit for $200k = $400k
= profit $50k<<
Just looking at those figures it doesn’t look like a profitable exercise.
Cost of house ($ 315 K) + stampduty, legals, possibly some renovations, surveyor costs, council application fees, holding charges etc ?
Building cost – $ 35 K I doubt that $ 35 K will go very far.
So what additions do you need to make ? Where did you get the $ 35 K figure come from ? Have you priced the alterations and additions ? Care to tell us what exactly is involved and what you think it will cost ?
Baby rats are so cool … do you have any photos yet Arty?
We have a wall at work where everyone puts baby photos – I put a photo of Jack and Harry (my ratties) up there. Needless to say, my workmates think me strange – I don’t understand why[][]
Also spend some time looking at project homes. Often you will be able to obtain a better price than from normal builders.
Just remember that whatever price they quote you will be increased by site costs, difficult access problems etc which you may not realise will add to the cost when you get told the price of the display home you are looking at.
A project home builder would still be happy to quote you on plans custom designed for you.
Much better actually to have a plan drawn up to your requirement as a project home may not necessarily fit or suit your block.
188 hits on crap.(Apart from Mel’s implosive story that is), I can’t believe it.
To think that this post was purely for the purpose of making contact with Shaun with an idea .. still presumed locked in at work on overtime .. in fact .. I’m starting to worry now .. I hope he’s OK.
Andy, should we tell Propertylogist (sic) that only 4 of us on this forum are party to the idea?
Mum’s the word .. forget the $25 starting price, much more is to be had.