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    Possibly the details are not as portrayed.

    What kind of property was involved ?(i.e. vacant land ? An existing property ? )

    Was it the vendor’s shelf company or perhaps the developer’s shelf company that was involved in the transaction ?

    Was the property owned by the shelf company or did the company merely hold an option on the land ?

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    Kay, if you are satisfied you paid the right price then that is fine.

    I wasn’t trying to be a smartarse. Well, perhaps it looked that way, so I want to assure you that there was no malice behind my post.

    Here is another interesting story.
    The same ex-partner who by the way is quite wealthy told me some 25 years ago that he wanted to buy a waterfront house forhimself.

    I got busy lining up suitable properties and we spent several months inspecting and making offers.

    There were several properties which he was interested in but he applied the same techniques as he did in business i.e. making low ball offers.

    The end result is that he never did buy a waterfront property.

    The moral is that if one wants to buy a property for one’s own use perhaps one should consider paying that little bit more than one otherwise would.

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    I am sure that the developer would have done some homework. He would also no doubt have turnover figures from the vendor.

    Just driving past ‘competition’ at night and counting the number of cars would go a long way to establish in your mind whether there is a need for another motel.

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    Guccical, you are talking about figures which aren’t achievable.

    There are many pitfalls.
    Firstly the house has to be the right kind of house, sizewise.

    Regulations limit the width of a house being moved. It may have to be broken up in two or three pieces. The house may not be suitable anyway to be moved.

    The farther the house has to be transported the more it will cost you.

    I would hazard a guess and come up with a figure of say $ 25k for the moving bit.

    Don’t buy a house which is too ‘old’.
    One way of judging is to look at the windows.
    (are they ‘modern’ windows i.e. aluminium windows?)

    ALWAYS have a housemover look at the house to see whether it is suitable.

    ALWAYS check with council to see whether they need to inspect the house first.

    Once the house arrives on your block of land you are up for the following cost at the least :

    bricklayer to lay foundations.

    plumber to connect the sewer

    electrician to rewire

    painter to freshen up the house

    carpenter to make repairs.

    appliances to be installed ?

    replacing concrete floors which have falled out during the transport

    concretor to lay new driveway and garden paths

    garage or carport to be erected

    NEVER deal with a housemover unless he has a lot of experience. There have been instances where the house collapsed whilst being transported, the house being abandoned whilst in transport and the housemover taking your moeny and not doing the task.

    When it is all said and done, there is an enormous amount of work involved in doing what you are talking about but in the end you will finish up with a house that is usually much larger than the new houses which nowadays are being built and the cost is considerably lower than any other way of getting a house.

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    >>With my last negotiation, I made an offer of about 3% less than the asking price, because I thought that was fair. When the RE came back and said the seller wanted more, I told him that my offer was firm, that I thought it was a fair offer, and that I felt that the sellers might see it as such, and accept it as fair people. That worked for me, and it worked for the sellers.<<

    Next time you want to sell a property I suggest you use that same estate agent Kay. He is pretty smart as he ‘hooked’ you like a fish.

    Anyway guys, it is clear from different posts that there is normally a margin in the asking price which represents ‘cream’ (well put Felicity).

    We all know what a ‘Low ball’ offer is the moment we ‘crinch’ when we make it.

    I had a partner once who was in the habit of making such ludicrous offers that it made me feel embarassed standing next to him when he made the offer.

    The remarkeable thing is that many of his offers were accepted.

    Another friend of mine who was in the market for a house and he looked at some thrity or so houses, made rediculously low offers AND had several offers accepted.

    I would think that anybody who offers a paltry
    4-6% off the asking price isn’t doing the right thing by him/herself.

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    toystory,

    I think that you will never know if you don’t try. What is the worst thing that could happen if you put in a low offer? The RE will knock you back and if you really want it, you just put in a higher offer. If you don’t put in an offer at all cause you are afraid that it is too low, then maybe the seller might miss out on your bid when in fact they might be willing to sell it at that price rather than not sell it at all.

    However, what is the best thing that could happen? You can save thousands$$$! It takes years for normal people to save up thousands of dollars, well I know that it takes me that long.[:D]. The seller might be happy to make a quick sale!

    Buying investment properties is business. Only the figures need to make sense. [8D]

    Well that is my 2 cents.[;)]

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    Well Bassla, seeing that it is X-mas time, the time of cheer and goodwill, and seeing that you haven’t got the time at the moment, I would be happy to oblige and have a look at the property.

    Email me and I’ll give you my bank account number so you can deposit my expenses into it.

    I live in Sydney and I understand there are daily flights to Tasmania. [:D] [:D]

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    I suggest you go to the following website.

    http://www.rentmaster.co.nz

    Cheap software (just $ 70-00)
    You can get a free trial

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    >>That’s a fairly dangerous spot though, don’t you think? It’s basically similar to buying OTP- with the hope of onselling.<<

    Every shopkeeper is facing the same dilemma, i.e. when he buys stock there may not be a buyer.

    Bear’s strength should lie in the fact that he knows his business AND that he gets to know his client buyers so well that he immediately knows ‘Oh, Jack will buy this for sure’.

    >>What if the spottees don’t go through with the purchase?<<

    Again, this problem can be solved with an written agreement.

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    No, of course it isn’t illegal to deal with two brokers. But ………., not disclosing this fact to the second broker can work against you.

    There are however pitfalls in dealing with several brokers. Some brokers have you sign a mandate which means that you are committed to pay them a fee if you don’t proceed after they obtain approval.

    Unfortunately you supply too little detail for me to comment properly.

    It certainly appears as if you have little time left before the sh.. hits the fan.

    The things I am asking myself about are the following :

    1. where is the property ?

    2. if it is a unit, what size is the living area ?

    3. is there, from the bank’s point of view, sufficient income to service the loan ?

    4. why wasn’t the broker able to indicate whether you would qualify ? A broker knows what a lender is looking for so he would have a good idea.

    5. It appears as if you’ve had some problems in obtaining a loan in the past, so why stick your neck in the noose (i.e. exchange contracts of sale) without first having obtained loan approval ?

    6. Is there an obvious reason why there would be a delay ?

    As someone else commented, often the problem lies with the mortgage insurer who may be ultra cautious in assessing your application.

    Oftentimes a particular problem can be explained away !!

    It is not correct however that there are only two mortgage insurers.

    If you want some (free) advice on a more personal level (without baring all your soul to all on this website) feel free to contact me.

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    Put your car in a company name as then there is less chance of claims being questioned.

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    LOL arty WILL return!! I just dont know when!! Im having enough problems finding time to be here

    Christmas is killing us!! We still havent wrapped presents and Ive gotta cook potato salad and 6 roast chickens!! (even though I have to admit our xmas social life is busy and full of good food great friends and mind blowing sex…..ALL IN THE SAME ROOM!!! [:P]) ok ok Ill stop bragging…..hahahha

    Have a safe one…..and Ill hold out on arty till he logs in and wishes ya all a merry xmas [}:)][;)]

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    He is talking about off the plan purchases.

    Anyway I doubt he is too worried. What others see as a calamity may be an opportunity to Mr Triguboff allowing him to pick up bargain development sites because of lessened competition.

    I cannot quite see where the banks come in with large losses.

    Where a loan isn’t in place as yet there is no risk to the banks.

    The mortgagebond suppliers, well that is something else again.

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    The way to protect yourself better,Bear,would be,
    first of all, to only deal with people whom you think are ethical and, secondly, have an agreement signed by them beforehand.

    Such an agreement would be along the following lines :

    It would state that in return for you introducing someone to a particular property from time to time that person will pay you a fee upon the property being purchased by that person, an associate of that person, or a company associated with either that person or a company associated with one of their associates.

    The fee can be a set fee or a fee which changes from property to property.

    There is a definite place for someone like yourself to locate properties. One deserves and is entitled to be paid for such services.

    However Iwould imagine that you wouldn’t merely mention an address so much as also supply a report which sets out the acquisition cost, the cost of and time taken for, any necessary repairs, the rental value, the anticipated time required to find a tenant, the end value, and the supporting factors which make it a good deal (for example an expanding work force etc).

    However, having mentioned all of the above I wonder whether it wouldn’t be less hassles and more profits if you could tie up the property first (buying it if necessary).

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    Twilight, I don’t quite understand you. Is it going to be run as a motel or are you going to rent it out yourself ?

    If the latter why not ask a few local real estate agents for their opinion ?

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    Mark, there isn’t any need to involve the bank in
    your application for the govrnment First Home Buyer’s grant.

    You can apply yourself and it will take about three weeks after settlement to get piad (with a deposit being made in your nominated bank account.

    To qualify there isn’t even a requirement that you move in immediately. I understand that you are eligible as long as you occupy the dwelling
    within twelve months from settlement.

    Please verify the above with the relevant government department.

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    I have just become aware of the fact that Toystory lives in the USA., hence the possible lower interest rate.

    However, (at least for those of us who don’t have income in the currency you want to borrow in) this is fraught with danger because of the currency risk.

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    Toystory, we all are waiting with bated breath where we too can find interest rate at 3.75%

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    Michael we aren’t in disagreement at all.

    I, more than most people, am very aware of pitfalls as I took a vendor to court and lost.

    I didn’t lose the case based on the facts in the option so much as because the vendor was a lying kyote who said ‘Me no speake de english’.

    His story was that he thought he was signing an agreement which allowed me to send a surveyor to measure the land rather than an agreement to sell the property.

    This guy had been living in this country for some twenty years and ran a business !!

    Today I would, with the consent of the other party, tape record the conversation for the benefit of my partner who is at home [:D] and who unfortunately couldn’t make it here today.

    The side benefit is that such a tape recording will prevent the vendor winning a possible court case by telling lies stating that he didn’t understand what it was all about.

    As far as the post by Fullout is concerned, we are talking about a simple house purchase here. The way I see it there is absolutely no need to have a document so complicated that it is likely that the deal doesn’t get off the ground.

    Yes, there is a risk (as I personally have experienced) but there isn’t a guarantee either that a document prepared by a solicitor will necessarily keep us out of court.

    Show me a document prepared by a solicitor and it won’t be difficult to find another solicitor who will shoot holes through it.

    Anyone who doubts that only has to look at the courts which are full every day with people fighting and arguing they are right (and the other party is wrong).

    Both parties have legal representation and advice yet half of them will lose their case.

    So ultimately my reason for having a simple option agreement is to be pragmatic and get things done.

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    >>Put your SMSF into 2nd mortgages.<<

    Second mortgages are high risk for several reasons.

    Smart things to do are :

    1. It may possibly be a different matter if one were able to spread out one’s money over a large number of mortgages thus spreading the risk.

    2. Limit a loan to a maximum of 75% of the value.

    3. Be careful about valuations. I understand that in Queensland more than a hundred valuers are in trouble with the law because they issued bodgie valuations.

    Whilst a broker may sometimes (very seldom) be able to come up with a gilt edged opportunity I would nevertheless be very very wary of brokers.

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