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    >>I am a developer with stock to sell and would consider vendor terms. I too would be interested to know the exact ins and outs of it all – particularly with regards to a 2nd mortgage. I should think the debt would be suitable evidence to lodge a caveat over the property?<<

    How come, Ausprop, that you say you are a developer and yet you need to find the answer to this question on this site ?

    If you really don’t know, why haven’t you asked the question of your solicitor ?

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    >>I’ve talked to a finance broker about this and he came back and said that the lenders would not consider the vendor finance as a deposit from me but I still had to come up with 10% (or whatever). Is this true of all lenders?<<

    Absolute balderdash. There is more than one way to skin a cat.

    It is however essential that you will be able to service the loan AND have some cash reserves in case there are tenant problems.

    I am sure that any of the brokers on this site can help you.

    Getting a detailed explanation in this thread is something else again.

    I cannot understand why so many people are so desperate to know all the ins and outs in great detail when the whole thing appears for most of these questioners to be merely a theoretical question.

    Is it not sufficient to know that it can be done ?

    When the time comes and you are ready go and see a mortgage broker and a solicitor. In that order.

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    So why are your properties unique John ?

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    >>*Not anymore since the vendor has gone broke and the property is in a foreclosure now and is identified as a ‘high risk’ by the R/E agents.<<

    That is an opportunity to pick up the property below market price Penguin.

    Anyone who buys a property relying on having a tenant has some marbles missing as one’s security doesn’t lie in the tenant so much as in the location.

    The moment the property is vacant possession the competition to buy is likely to diminish thus making it easier for you to buy something at a better price.

    >>is deemed as a high risk by the R/E agents<<

    It is best not to rely too much on what they say. Most are notorious for not knowing what they are talking about. If they were really smart they would be buying instead of trying ro pick up some commission here and there. Most estate agents barely make a living.

    Rely on your own research.

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    >>Fortune favours the bold<<
    Yeh, it also gets one into trouble.

    Purplekiss, I note your desire for your husband being able to quit his job.

    Not such a good idea at all.

    Your second wish is even worse.
    (My second goal is to have enough passive income that he can choose whether he works at all.)

    The moment a man has got nothing to do and some money jingling in his pocket he is likely to get up to some mischief.

    I doubt that that is what you really would want to happen is it now ? [;)]

    My suggestion is you keep a tight control over him, put all the properties in your name and make him realise that YOU are the one who is the boss. [:o)]

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    >>and I know that its gonna take time for the lenders to approve me.<<

    Not necessarily so.

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    I think I know what it is SIS.

    You went on holidays to Fiji recently (true) and met the daughter of one of the Chiefs there and you’ve been promised a BIG, BIG, dowry if you marry her.

    Now you are depressed because the thought of no longer having the challenge to struggle to achieve something depresses you and you are now torn between marrying and becoming rich [;)] or doing your own thing and becoming rich. [:o)]

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    Penguin, to buy anything at all one needs both a deposit and a job producing income in order to qualify for a loan.

    Just finding a +ve cashflow property just isn’t enough.

    If you qualify in regards to both these two you may be able to go in as a financial partner with someone or perhaps get someone to put a suitable property your way in return for a finder’s fee.

    I trust that you are aware that it would come in handy to have some cash reserves as well just in case something goes wrong with the tenant.

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    Chan of course with all his clones will, without a shadow of doubt, out earn anyone else in this business.

    That is called Multi Level marketing

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    >>You go to a party, you see an attractive boy/girl across the room. HE/SHE COMES OVER and says, “Hi, I hear you’re great in bed”.<<

    Whereupon you pull a blow up doll of yourself out of your bag and say “$ 10 down and $ 5-00 a week”.

    That is hire purchase marketing

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    >>You go to a party, you see an attractive boy/girl across the room. HE/SHE COMES OVER and says, “Hi, I hear you’re great in bed”.

    Whereupon you pull a blow up doll of yourself out of your bag and say “$ 10 a quickie”.

    That is short term rental marketing.

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    >>You go to a party, you see an attractive boy/girl across the room. HE/SHE COMES OVER and says, “Hi, I hear you’re great in bed”.

    Whereupon you pull out the blow up doll from your bag and say “$ 10-00 a week and in two years time you can exercise your option to buy”.

    That is lease/purchase marketing.

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    >>You go to a party, you see an attractive boy/girl across the room. HE/SHE COMES OVER and says, “Hi, I hear you’re great in bed”.

    Whereupon you sell him/her a blow up doll of yourself.<<

    In addititon to selling the doll you also sell him/her two dozen of different colour and shapes condoms.

    That is multi marketing

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    You go to a party, you see an attractive boy/girl across the room. HE/SHE COMES OVER and says, “Hi, I hear you’re great in bed”.

    Whereupon you sell him/her a blow up doll of yourself.

    That is marketing.

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    >>I would argue that because PPOR mortgage rpts are made with after tax dollars, outside of RE booms, an IP is a better tax vehicle.<<

    Look at it this way Bruce, you’ve got to live somewhere, nothing can change that.

    So cashing in and moving onto the next one can be a very profitable venture.

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    I had lunch with Julian the other day. It was a hot day and he asked me whether I would like some water.

    I said ‘Yes please’.

    So he came back with a cup of HOT water.

    Well, Julian comes from a different culture so, not wanting to appear impolite or troublesome, I didn’t comment and just put up and shut up and drank the (hot) water.

    I finished up having another couple of cups as I actually did find that it did lessen my thirst and (I think) had a cooling effect on me. [:o)]

    So can I suggest, Bear, that you try this ?
    (Yes, I do make jokes sometimes but I am deadly serious in this post Bear).

    If you still have doubts Bear I suggest that you try it out on the chickens first by giving them hot water instead of icecubes [:D]

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    Hi Jay, I noticed that this is your first post on this site. Welcome.

    Your post made me sit up and question what I said earlier on.

    You said : “The profit on EVERY house is tax free if you never sell.. simple refinance and use the money to purchase further property.”

    Firstly it is one way to ‘step up’, going from one house to a better house (in a better neighbourhood perhaps or to a larger house or to a house in the same neighbourhood but with say a view) and one is even able to repeat this process several times over a number of years.

    How else does one get into a position to improve one’s own home without putting pressure onto oneself by taking on a larger loan ?

    Secondly it enables one to put some C-A-S-H into one’s pocket without incurring a tax liability.

    Thirdly one may even be able to ‘retire’ some of one’s (own) homeloan debt. That doesn’t mean of course that one cannot borrow on the new home (to buy an investment property).

    Fourthly, if one is prepared to accept the inconvenience of moving house in order to obtain non taxable CASH as well as buy a replacement house below market value, isn’t one better off than taking on a loan (or increasing one’s present (own) home loan to ‘step up’?

    Fifthly, I see some problems in retaining the present own home and turning it into an investment property
    if ever the time does come that one (for one reason or another) were to decide to sell that particular property.

    It looks to me as if one may well have a problem with the taxation department on one’s hands as far as the taxfree dollars, which are presently locked into the property, are concerned.

    Perhaps I am a little bit too paranoic there ? I just think it nice to have a clear cut situation there, not some fuzzy situation which may cause a dispute.

    I would however very much welcome other people’s point of view about the subject !!

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    Another, large, advantage is that the way a loan is structured can make all the difference in the world between getting loan approval and not getting it.

    If you go direct to the bank the lending person you deal with isn’t in a position where he can suggest to struture the application in a different manner because of the implications of doing so may cost the bank money.

    Another good reason is that if one has a default or two the right explanation may often still get you through. If the bank representative asks you for an explanation (how come you incurred this default ?) you haven’t really too much time to give the right kind of answer which may make the bank accept you.

    Once you have said your piece that is it. You can no longer change your story can you now ?

    But, forget about all of the above, as all of the reasons Ching has given you really ought to make it a no-brainer as to whether or not one should prefer a broker.

    A broker, for a normal loan, will not charge you a fee as the bank will take care of him.

    In the USA some 70% to 75% of the loans are placed through brokers.

    I understand that in Australia it is only 25% (sofar).

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    Gee, you are putting me on the spot here as everyone has different criteria.

    Personally I would judge that an increase in value of between $ 100 K to $ 200 K should be ample to start thinking of cashing in and putting some non taxable money into one’s pockets.

    I guess one way of looking at things is that if one were in a position to sell one’s home for say a profit like mentioned above AND at the same time one is able to replace it with a suitable home in the same market say 15% below market value (or a house which one will be able to add value to by undertaking some renovations) one would be doing extremely well and it looks to me a foregone conclusion for many people as to what decision they ought to consider making.

    One problem one may enounter is objection by one’s partner who may look at the home in a different light, in a, what shall we call it, a more emotional way.

    The decision to sell and replace it with another home depends totally on the individual’s position and outlook.

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