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    Thanks MJk

    we will consider your opinion also.

    regards Dot :)

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    Hi Westan,

    Place comparable to Ballarat.

    we are also considering another propery, which we have offered $134000 for. will get same amount of rent, But we feel that the other property will have better capital growth,because of the area, and its in much better condition, so thought we might pay the extra. What do you think?

    Dot[:)]

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    Am I asking dumb questions????

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    thganks a lot guys….! [:)]

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    Leigha,

    The first question you have to ask yourself is how much income do you want.

    If your answer is $120,000 before tax then you will need to generate the same through property.

    Some quick basic calculations.

    $120,000 = $2307 per week

    If you buy some positive geared properties then lets say you make after costs $50 per week on each.

    To achieve same income you would need about 46 of these properties. Now you may get some tax benefits due to travel, depreciation interest etc which will reduce your tax paybale on your $120,000.

    You will have to ask Steve how to achieve this number of properties earning a passive income of $50 pw.

    Then again keeping your income going for a few years and building a portfolio of growth properties may be your way to go.

    Truthly though you have lots of options.

    To achieve the income you want you would probably need about 10 high value properties unencumbered or as I said about 46 props positive geared.

    My thoughts.

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    Serviced Apartments – My thoughts

    When you sell anything you want to make your product available to everyone in the Market.

    Serviced apartments usually have long term leases attached to them, sometimes up to 25 years. This gives peace of mind for your rental income and usually makes them fairly affordable to own. But – (there is always a but) if you have a long term lease can you sell to an owner occupier? (the answer would be no) So the only person you can sell to is another investor. Investors only make up around 30% of property owners. You have just reduced your market by 70%.

    More bad news – If you have ever tried to get finance to buy a serviced apartment you will find that most banks don’t like them and like you to put enormous amounts of other equity so they will do the deal (NAB and a couple of others are a little different here) So your 30% market has probably been reduced by half again. We now have a market of around 15%.

    So in a nut shell the capital growth on a serviced apartment most probably will not be the same as a standard apartment.

    On the bright side though – if you have a lot of equity and you can’t sleep at night worrying about rent and you really want an IP then serviced apartment may be your cup of tea.

    I reckon that there is better stuff out there though.

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    Willi,

    I can see why you passed – you seem to know this stuff pretty well.

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    Maybe if you are really keen to get started now and not save the deposit which on a $300,000 property assuming you borrow 90% will be about $50,000 when you include costs you could borrow some equity off someone.

    Parents are usually good with this and you have to make sure they are aware about how it works.

    In a nut shell though if they have the equity and you have the income you can form a little partnership with them.

    What you are doing, if you invest is actually called rational renting. As you stated it is cheaper to rent the house you want thena buy it. If you blow the money you are saving then you are making the rent money dead money. If you invest the money atht you are saving ten you are rational renting.

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    Cris,

    I also would be careful of split loans – they can work very well but be careful of this.

    The ATO, if they win their apeal will almost definetly make the tax ruling retrospective so if you have been claiming it you may be required to pay some money back.

    If the ATO does not win the appeal, you would think that some legislation would be introduced quick smart to stop the process (as the Government stand to lose millions in tax refunds)

    These are just my thoughts, and based on my reading and by no means fact.

    If you buy an IP that is negatively geared then you will be out of pocket each week an extra amount on top of your home loan, but hopefully you will building up significant equity over time. If you buy a property that is cash flow positive then you will have a few extra dollars to pay off your home loan, but you will also have to pay a bit of tax on this extra income.

    I believe that a debt reduction strategy is different to an investment strategy but they can work together.

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    Toe Edge,

    As far as I am aware, assuming that you are saying that your two IP’s are cross colateralised, when you sell one the bank will require you to leave enough cash in a term deposit that they will then hold security over. When you buy another IP they will lokk at the equity in both again and if you have enough equity in the the existing IP then they will cross colateralise these two again.

    If you don’t have enough equity, then if you want another one you will have to use cash.

    This is the way I would do it – If you desparately want to sell then sell. Before you sell make sure you are aware of your Capital Gains implications. When you sell pay down your home loan. See your bank and look at getting a Line of Credit against your home and then use the funds in here to give too the bank as the security need on the other IP. This LOC can then be used to assist other purchases and as long as you only use it for investment purposes it will remain tax efective. And you home is not directly collateralised against your IPs.

    Your situation seems as though it can be structured to achive what you want.

    One last comment – if the IP you are thinking of selling has appreciated well then, maybe it will continue to – I’m personally happy to have debt against my home and keep my properties for as long as possible.

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    Sooshie,

    I did’nt think too hard about the figures but I did throw in $150pm for costs, to come up with my $200 pm guestimate.

    I hoped to show that Gordon’s situation overall could still remain positive even if he bought a property that was negative on it’s own.

    I really think that the key for Gordon is to get advice. The one thing that I beleive in, is that you should never be afraid to pay for good advice and support. Even when you have multiple properties there is always someone out there that can show you something to save you time and money.

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    Geez, his books for $30.00 each sounds like a good deal to me! I think I would be more motivated having the $7K to spend on a holiday to the Seyschelles.

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    AS a smart investor you should factor in at least 8 weeks vacancy in any calendar year. I do this in a capital city – so in a regional town you should at least factor in the two months. This should also drive your renos and loan structures etc.

    Just a thought.

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    No Sooshie, anything that burns innocent citizens through no real fault of their own gets regulated. Lets get that straight. Maybe the money that is being made is at the expense of the ordinary “Joe”

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    Hi Quentin,

    Thanks for being so thorough, this helps me a lot.

    regards Dot [:D]

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    Hi TrueBlue,

    No, It’s not tax. I guess I was a bit quick to ask the first question, cause I could work this out by estimating:insurance, management fees, rates etc.

    The real question is do I take these costs off the rental price BEFORE I allow for the 11 second solution or after?

    Hope I don’t sound too dumb[:I]

    Thanks Dot[:)]

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    Gordon,

    The debt on your first IP will still be $85,000 when you buy your second IP. Interest on this one should be around $450 pm (assuming you are on a discounted variable rate)You cuurently get $800 pm rent so you are $350 up. You will of course have costs say 150pm so you should be $200 up still.

    If you buy another property and use the equit in the 1st IP to help you purchase it then the debt on the 2nd IP will be about 5-6% greater than the Cost. So for this property to be cashflow positive you will need a rental yield of 8%+.

    What you might find is that the 2nd prop may be slightly cashflow neg. but overall you are still in a cashflow positive situation.

    It is a bit complicated but you should treat the debt on each IP independently but maybe look at your whole situation holisticly.

    You should also seek the advice of your accountant to do the numbers for you as tax benefits may help put you further in the black.

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    Andrew if you could get the same or better returns in another state and not have to pay as much stamp duty wouldn’t that be even better?

    Chris

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    Hi,

    The advice given in this forum looks great and I was hoping someone could help me.

    I’ve never invested or even bought a property before. Let’s say I know zero about all of this but I have a lot of commonsense and am keen to get into it so is my husband.

    My question is could anyone recommend a book where I could get started reading up on the ins and outs of this without getting bogged down with jargon? Just something to get me started on the road to understanding what I need to do and look out for would be great.

    Thanks so much for any replies.[:D]


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    Silkwood, i do. I buy in NSW and QLD. Yet i live in Melbourne. I refuse to pay the amount Bracks is asking and if it means buying interstate i do.

    Chris

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