There is an interesting rule that may apply to your situation (not clear from your question) that says that if your PPOR becomes an IP and you don’t own another PPOR (say you rent for a while) then the IP (your old home) can be sold without any CGT within a six year period.
Do you have to be overseas for the 6 year rule to apply, or can you be living in Aus?
J
No I’m serious! [] Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated.
Here’s my story…
The Story Young fella started working for the first time in his life and found that the more you start making the more you can borrow. I was given approval for a $4000 Visa card while I was at uni with no income except Austudy. Eventually I got a couple more CC’s and did my best to rack up quite a hefty total. GROAN! I got into a decent job and am now making $38K before tax. I was finished uni now so I consolidated my $10500 CC debt into a new personal loan at 10.65% Much better.
With the job came the new car and the dealer finance to go with it. 14.25% I can hear you all groaning disapprovingly at me but hey.
So now I am at the stage where I want to get into this positive gearing thing, read the book in one day. I actually spent two hours on the seat outside the bookshop and ploughed through the first half of the book right then and there.
I have a major goal now. To work because I want to, not because I have to.
Here’s the big question…How do I get started? Sure I could ask a financial planner but how many did you guys know when you were 24? Who’s the real deal and who’s the slimey commission maker?
I figured the best people to ask would be the ones out there doing it. You guys (guys being a generic term only, sorry ladies no offence) have got the ball rolling already. Anyone who could glean me some pearls of wisdom??
Enough from me. Below is my rough finanial picture. I thank you all in advance and look forward to become a valuble part of this group.
Let’s not forget about the other side of Australia (WA). Early research on Geraldton shows good opportunities. Southwards of Perth? May have missed the boat……Any other thoughts for opportunities in WA?
is it just me or is anyone else over the fact that in the last few weeks (ie since steves book’s been out) this forum has been pumped with “show me where these +cashflow properties are”. practically asking for you to put the piece of property in front of them and just say sign here to become rich in PI, you dont have to do any work yourself.
i know there are obviously a lot of newbies who are all excited and ‘gungho’ since reading steves book, but guys youve got to realise it aint gunna be handed to you on a platter….
Michael you’re not concentrating! argyle was showing what it would have cost if Steve didn’t use wraps. Dave dare I ask what percentage of your properties are wraps?
J
That’s all very correct Snow. I was just assuming you may still have some mortgage on your PPoR, which would become deductable. As Terry wrote, you need to sell your PPoR if you really wish to move to your new property, and can’t afford the non deductable loan. You could then buy a new IP of course, it all depends on how much you want to move, ie if the extra cost (Stamp Duty, RE commission etc) is worth it.
J
Crashy, as you live in Qld, you can easily check all the details at http://www.osr.qld.gov.au/taxes/land/index.htm
The new threshold in Qld is $220k, and the rate increases depending on how much over the threshold you are. eg $1,000,000 it’s 2% (marginal rate). It’s all in the pdf info sheet.
little bit of money as long as i can get a lower interest ( maybe less than 6%) remember i have a 300k loan, 7.40% interest, do you think a certain bank will refinance me in this situation? But i have to do reasearch first and do the figures if
REGARDS, LUCKY40
Lucky40, My bank loan is at 5.97%, which is at a 0.7% discount to their normal rate. To qualify for this package I have to have loans greater than $250,000, plus have an income > $60,000 (which I believe includes rent). I don’t know your situation, but your loan certainly qualifies.
I’m probably in trouble for quoting an individual lender, so perhaps I shouldn’t mention their name in public forum. Not sure of the rules.
J
I’m not sure about your interest rate deductions (probably could but it may be difficult to work out how much of the loan belongs to the room) but there’s one thing I would be very careful about, depending on your total property values, and that is my pet hate: LAND TAX! If you conduct any business in just one small part of your PPoR, then the WHOLE of your PPoR land valuation is added to your total for land tax purposes, wheras your PPoR is normally exempt. This happens in Qld, but I assume other states would have similar rules.
Does anyone else have a big issue with land tax? Does everybody know your PPoR is exempt? I was paying land tax for 3 years before I found this out. I managed to get it all refunded, as my PPoR pushed it over the threshold.
J
It’s probably much the same as my wife having to go guarantor with her half of our PPoR for IPs in my name. She had to get independent legal and financial advice as part of the guarantor process. I believe these steps are now legally required before the bank can accept her as a guarantor.
I just stumbled across something relevant in the ATO Tax Guide.(great light reading not!) Snow, if you are intending to move to your new property within 6 months of its purchase, both properties will have PPoR status, ie your new property will not be subject to CGT based on its first <6 months as an IP if it is eventually sold. Best to check with your accountant though.
J
Capital gains tax is calculated on the relative time you held it as an IP. eg if it was your PPoR for 7 years, and then an IP for 3 years before you sold it, you would pay tax on 30% of the gain (further discounted by 50% because you held it longer than 12 months). This example comes straight out of the Tax Guide 2001.
J
This is the thing that kills me. After researching the stock market for the last 18 months and attempting to self-educate myself, it becomes vey apparanet that I know bugger all.
However, how much knowledge, experience and ability do I need to begin investing?
OR, conversely
How little knowledge, experience and ability will guarantee me 100% failure?
Should I be spoon fed by MarketMad, Fat Phophets, The Inside Trader and similar services?
Should I subsribe to real time data services, or is EOD data enough?
Why do I (apparently) need a PhD as a minimum formal qualification to invest?
Unfortunately, my mathematics stops at calculus and my stock market theory is non-existence. Can you direct me to a few good books, courses or websites?
Just one other thing snow, don’t forget that you wll need to inform the Office of State Revenue of your change in PPoR, (if you are above the threshold for land tax that is) as it will affect your land tax (your PPoR is exempt).
J
Hi Snow, Yes you can switch between renting a property and living in it and VV. You will be liable for capital gains tax on each property in proportion to the number of years it was an IP Vs the number of years it was a PPoR. Any mortgage you have for your PPoR will become tax deductible when it becomes an IP. Noel Whittaker often mentions this. His recommendation is that you keep your PPoR loan interest only, and direct any excess money into an offset account, so that you have maximum loan on the property when it becomes an IP, and your money in the offset account goes towards the new PPoR. Any loan on the current IP becomes private only as soon as you convert it to a PPoR of course.
HTH, J.
Hi UmpteenOne, One of the very first things a bank will require will be copies of your lease agreements. One bank even asked me for them when I was trying to go guarantoor for a lousy $5,000 student loan for my daughter!
Banks will typically only count about 80% of your rental income as well (I guess to allow for vacancies etc).
J
I think you should always try to avoid “contaminating” any loan with private purchases. It’s much better to have separate loans (or sub-accounts if you have a portfolio/”line of credit” loan). You may incur a bit more in fees, but with that amount of money borrowed, some banks (at least mine does) will waive any such fees associated with creating multiple loans. There’s no hassle with the ATO then.
J
I too have reservations about the maintenance cost of older properties and the investment in time required to find them and manage them. I guess I’m a very passive landlord, but I’ve got a good manager, so my investment in time is very little for my 4 properties (except maybe for the termites in one). I’m sure I could have 10 times as many like these (or maybe more termite proof ones!) without taxing my time too much. They were all purchased new, so maintenance has been fairly minimal. The agent arranges all that anyway. My aim is to just purchase one or two new properties per year, so that hopefully rents inflate enough to keep the equations balanced when the depreciation peters out. It helps that I enjoy my job so much, so I’m in no hurry. The aim is to help fund my retirement.
Just another question about your book Steve: In your appendix B about negative gearing you give the example of a property that costs $230,000 including closing costs, with a $207,000 loan and $23,000 deposit. It sells for $322,000 with a paper gain of $92,000, which will be reduced by selling costs of $14,880.
In your table on P356 however, your acquisition cost has changed from $230k to $250k so assuming this is just a transcription error, your gross capital gain should be $87,120 which gives an after tax gain of $65993 (with 48.5% tax). This is then reduced by your 5 years negative casflow of $10,065 to result in a net gain of $55,928
What I don’t understand, however, is why you deducted the $23,000 deposit from the net capital gain. Surely it would have been returned as part of your original acquitition cost, ie out of the 322k sale price, you pay the bank back its $207k and the agent & legals $14,880 which leaves your $23k deposit plus $87,120 gross capital gain.
As far as I can work out, you should have a net gain of $55,928 from your $23k deposit to give a total cash on cash return of 243%, or 48.6% pa. which is a bit better than the 66.1% and 13.22% resp in your example.
Perhaps I am missing something though.
J
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