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    Hi Agent007, I wonder if you could contact me by email. I am looking in the same area as you seem to be, but do not have the time that you appear to have. Perhaps we could talk.

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    Hi all,

    My accountant informs me that all of the ‘searching for houses and associated expenses stuff’ cannot be claimed as a deduction. It is however – according to him – a cost that can be set against a capital gain when I sell a property down the track.
    He tells me that as my primary income is from my Ambulance employ (the forty hour a week kind of stuff!!!) that trying to con the tax office into allowing all sorts of travel as an allowable deduction in my property investing business might be a little hard to push.!!!![:D]
    That’s my two cents worth – so keep all of your receipts and stuff – we do!!
    Cheers
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    Hi M, yes we all know that a good -ve geared property can beat a typical +ve cf prop in times of good growth, but the whole point is that you can invest in many more cf+ props than you can cf- props. I stopped with cf- props when my taxable income dropped to the 43.5% bracket.
    Jim.

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    u are a person of many talents then… [;)]

    hahahaha

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    lol arty wouldnt fit in the rat cage!! The kennel is big enough tho..*hint hint* (arty is a doona theif!!)

    I cant believe how quick the little buggers are…and brave enough to jump too!! Onyx is the worst…she just wont sit still unless you are feeding her!! I told arty he should call her Jett coz she takes off like one….LOL

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    LOL @ diclem. Hmm dirt. You mean when we argue…y’all dont hear us yelling? no matter where u live…LOL

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    dont take my modem!!!!! Plz masser!! Dont take my modem!! [:O][:O][:O]

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    Hi,
    Try http://www.mainroads.qld.gov.au site. They have an auction coming up of 5 surplus to requirements government properties on 28th October. Auction site is 10th floor main roads building, 477 Boundary Street, Spring Hill, Brisbane. You may want to contact them if you want details – 3834 2229 (Brisbane area code = 07?)
    Good luck
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    I dont know…personally I dont think the government should “pay” women to have kids.
    I really wanted kids…now I have 2 princesses..I would NEVER want another one. I just couldnt cope!! LOL

    If a woman really feels she would like another child..or even her first…a government payout shouldnt be a deciding factor. I never got paid to have kids…..and they couldnt pay me enough to have a child now!! Thats just my own personal opinion. Put more funds into hospitals and schools….kids need them.[:D]

    on a side note…I bet you are looking forward to wednesday!! Its not long now [:D]

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    aussie….we DONT need to talk about carltons “slight” non winning streak…now…..DO WE? *glaring*

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    LOL @ has the coffee been tasting different!!

    I read this and went….” WOW “
    (for a minute there I thought arty had written This story is about SEX, DRUGS or ROCK and ROLL and that it was a poem about our sex life!! LOL)

    I really gotta admit tho…I dont know what good I did in my past lives….but it musta been a real doozy…coz I got rewarded with the best hubby a girl could wish for!! Hes good lookin…open…honest..110% trustworthy..he even puts the toilet seat down!!!!!!!! (and he lets me have my naked male slaves….I mean….what more could a girl want???)

    Now Arty…..you keep drinking that “coffee” OK [;)][;)][;)]

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    why not just pick the closest senior citizens home and see them directly about going in half a day a week to visit those with no family.
    Or a local animal shelter..go and see them direct and offer them hands on volunteering.

    You dont need to go thru an organization to volunteer your services…just ask at any charitable centres if they need help [:D]

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    Hi Neil,
    I have tried this – they are great investments. firstly they are commercial leases, so no body corporate, they as the tenant pay for all of the outgoings, except for the rates and water rates – though they pay for excess usage. The annual increases are pretty good, usually 3% per annum. The banks love them – solidly built, guaranteed income, etc. If the hotel company sells up, then the incoming company usually takes over all the leases. The depreciation allowances are excellent. The tenant fully maintains the property and typically keeps it pristine.
    We bought ours with $200, using our current property as partial collateral so we could finance everything, including the costs, and the property was still positively geared for cashflow, even without the depreciation considerations. As for profits, we made 15% or so after 3 years when we sold it. I wouldn’t have sold it had we been settled here permanently, but we are going overseas and I wanted to sell up our Australian properties to invest in England.
    Great way of investing – the only thing I can think of even more hassle free at the moment is car parks.
    Cheers
    Kat

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    Hello

    I am looking for some feedback as to the following scenario. A room/ apartment in a hotel ( fairly large group) , guaranteed lease back by hotel , net return last year 655 per month. Cost approx mid 150’s

    Are there any pitfalls with this type of investment , ie what happens if Hotel goes broke, problems with the hotel owners whom are obviously far , far bigger entities

    Thanks

    NSD


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    Fudge, Steve concentrates on cash on cash return, and he includes principal repayments as simply part of your cash outflow. I’m sure if you look carefully (Its been a few weeks since I read it, and I’ve loaned it to a friend {sssh don’t tell Steve!}) you will see that he never implies that principal is deductable. He may be simplifying the details a bit, but cash on cash return is everything when you are maximising your portfolio as Steve has done.
    Jim.

    PS sorry Sue, we’re playing leap-frog here![:)]

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    Fudge, you are forgetting tax in your plan 2. You don’t have the interest deductions to counter rent, as you’ve paid off the loan so quickly.
    Don’t forget, also, about time value of money. The figures over 25 years disguise the huge effect of inflation. In plan 2 you are investing a lot of dollars from today, next year and the year after that, as opposed to plan 1 where you are spreading your dollars over 25 years. It’s not just inflation. In plan 2, you are giving back dollars that could be earning 7%. You only save 3% when you pay back principal, as I’ve said before. You should perhaps be looking at just figures for the next 5 years. 25 years is stretching it a bit. Your rates will increase, your rent will increase etc etc. You are ignoring depreciation as well in your calcs. This has a big effect on your early cash flow.

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    Definitely not Fudge, only your interest is deductible. It’s an expense incurred in earining income. Principal is just paying back what the bank has loaned you to do this.
    Jim.

    EDIT: I can spell definitely, but I can’t spell deductable. Go figure!

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    F&B, as C2 says, you can change tack whenever you wish. Just do it, and develop strategies and goals as you go, but let them be dynamic, depending on how your equity and income progress.
    My comment on the inflation issue is based on the simple fact that your interest costs just 51.5% of 6% after tax, which would be close to inflation.

    As a budding accountant, here’s a little assignment for you: Work out your future net worth after 5 years if you (a) pay all your positive cash flow back into the loans as principal payments and
    (b) if you use them to buy blue chip shares directly, that all pay at least 4.5% fully franked dividend, and capital appreciation on average say 7%

    Assume the IP appreciates at 7% also. Provided you have a 5 year time scale, then the shares should hopefully achieve that as well.

    My point is that principal payments are in effect only about a 3% investment after tax, but if you pay into an investment with 7% capital gain as well as dividend income you will do a lot better. While it is nice to reduce the debt to increase your saftey buffer, a more agressive approach may end up with a much larger future worth. With a 5 year time scale, this approach is not so aggressive. I suggested shares rather than property, because you can start the 7% compounding immediately, eg each month or 3 months. The effect would be similar if you could keep the property acquisition going with a reasonably short time span, but while your cash is sitting in an offset account, or as principal reduction, then it’s only earning 3% after tax, ie it’s not being leveraged. As soon as you own more than 20% of your property, you are increasing your safety buffer, but decreasing your earning potential.

    Hope this makes sense, even if it’s not sensible! Jim

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    Thanks for your replies Mel and Terry. Yes I was going to buy shares but now this new development has finally come close to reality. It’s only been ten years of similar maybes! BIL has made such a hash up of the current loan, with the original ratios being mucked up because they paid bits of theirs off. It’s a real pita maths wise. He doesn’t care about his wasted equity because he is so leverage averse, and I thought it would be so much simpler if we each had independent locs. I’d be willing to forgoe the shares investment to get this monkey off my back. Mine is only a minor amount compared to his though. I’m sure I could pay my share of the CP under the bank’s radar, but $1M might attract a bit more attention.
    I’ll keep investigating though. At least I would like to see some form of flexible finance, so that we can reduce the debt easily, and redraw it as needed to fit out the remaining shops if we manage to find new tenants (hopefully this may be easier once we get the new development {small supermarket} in). So far BIL has just been letting rent accumulate in an MLC account at about 4.something% which goes against my normal IP philosophy of using 100% offset accounts. I don’t know what’s available for CP though.
    Thanks again, Regards, Jim.

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    Hi Nats,

    Please e-mail me before you do anything. I have experienced as you describe and would be happy to share what I have learnt from my past week.

    All of the advice in the other posts is correct to your situation. Mine is one of very recent expeience.

    Kind regards, Phil

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