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    We have just divested ourselves of two 1-bedroom units and bought two 2-bedroom units instead.  We've found that one bedroom units are more difficult to rent and have lower capital gain, hence the swap.

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    How about something along the lines of, 'Subject to pest and building inspection reports to the satisfaction of the purchaser'?

    That way you (the purchaser) can say if you're satisfied or not.

    Just my 2 cents' worth.

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    We have just sold two properties which were tenanted, to fellow investors.  In the ads (we advertised on realestate.com.au and domain.com.au, didn't use a RE agent but did it all ourselves) we did the following:
    – made it clear that there was an existing lease until month/year (eg. November 2010);
    – included the weekly rent;
    – made positive (and true!) comments about the tenants being very reliable payers and excellent tenants generally;
    – as the properties were rented furnished, we specifically stated that all furnishings were included in the purchase prices, and gave a list of what this actually included (fridge, QS bed, couches, dining table/chairs, etc etc);
    – used phrases like 'ideal for investment' 'set and forget' 'no need to worry about finding tenants' etc;
    – only had viewings by appointment – this means minimal disruption for the tenants, plus you don't get tyrekickers the way you can do with generally advertised home opens.

    We showed the two properties to three separate people in total – so two of the three people who came through put in offers that we could do something with (there was some negotiation but it was minimal), and we got excellent prices for both, way above similar properties in the area.  Both properties were contracted in June and July 2010, when the general RE market was apparently slowing overall.

    We can't stop advocating this particular approach to people who ask, it was highly successful in terms of time, money, effort and stress.

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    sammmeee, definitely go with your price of $275K.  If they say yes, you're done!  Easy :D

    If they say no, make a lot of noises along the lines of, 'Oh….. that's disappointing….. my (wife/partner/OH/whatever) really doesn't want to pay above that…… s/he says it's not worth it to him/her to pay any more…….' then finish the call with, 'I'll talk to him/her and let you know by COB tomorrow.'

    Don't call them by COB tomorrow – leave it another day or so, then call back – with $280K.

    Trust me, this works like a charm!  This is exactly how we've done it on many occasions and it's worked every time.  Easy :D

    And remember, have fun!  As somebody once said, the bargain of the year appears on a weekly basis ;)

    Good luck!!

    PS: I agree, it's definitely a buyer's market at the moment…. use it to your advantage.

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    That does sound overpriced, assuming you're a PAYG wage earner (ie. not a business owner etc).

    For our last returns, we were charged just over $400 each.  That's for PAYG stuff, charitable donations, medical expenses (we both spend over $1500 per year), other deductibles (work clothing for him, work-related study for me) and all the paperwork associated with four IPs.

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    Okay, where we went wrong….
    1. Buying one bedroom units which were smaller than 50m2;
    2. Getting a friend to help us with the renovations on one of those units (took ten months and nearly sent us to the financial edge due to lost rental income over that time);
    3.  Buying one of those units in a really bad complex – no upkeep/maintenance done, dodgy strata manager, etc;
    4.  Buying one of those units at too high a price for what it was.

    We've done pretty well with our follow up properties (these were our first two IPs) so at least we're learning from our mistakes!!!

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    whoops double post!

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    We've really liked dealing with Tyron Adametz, from Select Mortgage Services.  His mobile is 044 88 99 173.

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    We buy places that need work (renovation or rejuvenation) and do as much of it as we can ourselves.  This means we typically get it for a good price, and the cost of the renos is far less than the amount of capital gain we get from doing the work.

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    I should probably add I'm not getting any kickbacks for advertising MHIFS, and I'm in no way connected or associated with them – we just had a great experience selling ourselves, and they were a big part of that. <end disclaimer>

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    We have just sold a property in WA.  It was a unit in a strata titled complex.
    Documents required for the sale paperwork include:
    – an offer and acceptance contract (we used one we had previously signed as a template doc, which we then retyped in Word);
    – the joint conditions booklet (the yellow one) – this forms part of the contract of sale;
    – because it was a strata property, we also had to fill out a form 28 and provide a form 29.

    On top of this, we provided to the purchaser a copy of the last AGM minutes, including info about levies; the current tenant's lease, bond paperwork and property condition report.

    We advertised using my home is for sale, which gets you listings on realestate.com.au and domain.com.au.

    We sold our property after showing it to two people, and after less than a week – and yes it was priced at the high end of the market.  It was such a positive experience for us that we're doing the same now with another of our units.

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    I have to admit, of the people who we speak to about our properties, they are fairly carefully chosen.  Apart from immediate family (my parents & brother) and his dad and stepmum, other family aren't aware.  This includes my husband's mother, stepdad, sister and brother.  They wouldn't understand, and there's no point banging your head against a brick wall – the brick wall doesn't start to give way first!

    This was something we consciously decided before we actually purchased our first property.  We had a good talk about it and thought very carefully about who we would and wouldn't tell, and why.  No point in leaving yourself open to unnecessary grief!

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    There are definitely ways to turn a -vely geared property into a positively geared one.  Of our four properties, two are +ve cash flow, and the other two are +vely geared after taking tax returns into account.  Our strategy is as follows:
    1.  Only buy places that need some work (you can negotiate a much better price if it's unappealing – it's amazing how many people don't want to do simple things like paint, etc); and
    2.  Once it's ready to rent, we fully furnish it and rent it out with all linen, crockery, cutlery etc.  This increases your rental income substantially.  To do this though the property needs to be in a suitable location – walking distance to shops, public transport, etc, so it means your initial selection of property does need to be careful and take these things into consideration.

    We like this approach, especially as we do all the work ourselves, from the renos after purchasing, through to property management, cleaning and repairs, etc etc.  You could argue that we don't put a dollar value on our time for all this, which is correct – but if we don't do this, my OH's favourite past time is computer games!  So our spare time isn't exactly used to good effect normally ;)

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    We have had our four depreciation schedules done by Australian Tax Depreciation Services (ATDS).  They are excellent.  They charge $495 which includes a site visit, which is preferable.  Very happy with them.  We've just bought another property and will be going with ATDS for that schedule also.
    They have offices in all states of Australia too. 
    Web link: ATDS

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    We haven't got into development as yet (we tend to buy units, renovate, furnish, then hold) but in my RE travels I've noticed both Balga and Osborne Park look like good candidates for capital growth – relatively close to the CBD, larger blocks with old houses still available, etc.  If I could convince the husband, that's what we'd be doing, but he's a bit more risk averse than I am ;)

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    We do the same thing.  In fact we bought a property just under two years ago, renovated it (did a lot of the work ourselves) and just sold it for an amount 30% higher than the original price.  Not bad in a market supposed to be fairly flat.  Apart from completely renovating it, we added furniture, and tenanted it for an excellent price, which made it very appealing to a 'set and forget' investor market (we ended up selling to an investor rather than a home owner, which was what we anticipated would happen).

    We always offer a low price.  This is helped by the fact that we always go for places that need some work – so many people are put off by bathrooms/kitchens that need renovating.  Even just having a filthy tenant can put buyers off, they can't see how a coat of paint could change the look of the whole place.

    We prefer to wait until the property has been on the market for a few weeks.  That way, if there's little interest, it's given the vendors time to realise that their asking price might be too ambitious, and therefore be more flexible.

    I usually do the legwork, ie. view the property by myself.  I'm quite happy to tell the RE agent things like, 'I'm keen but it's not worth the asking price' if I think this is the case, together with, 'I'm keen but my husband hates renovating, and he's the one I'd have to convince'.  Both these statements are true, hence I have no problems being upfront.

    I also tend to be fairly guarded about the info I give out.  In some circumstances I say as little as possible.  In others, I'm happy to be fairly upfront.  It depends what works in a given situation.  For example we're currently looking at two different properties.  I've let both agents know that theirs is not the only property we're looking at.  Both need work, and have been on the market for a little while, in suburbs that generally sell very quickly.  I also get the impression (from the agents themselves) that the vendors are motivated, which always helps!

    It does help to know why the vendors are selling.  Sometimes agents won't/can't tell you, which is fine, they have no obligation to pass this info on.  You can usually gauge from the agent how motivated the vendor is by their actions – one of the agents called me today after another unattended home open, to try to 'suss out' our intentions.  I was very upfront with her, and at the end of the conversation she said (twice) 'You know, it's a very good market for you to buy right now'.  I can't help but think that this was a bit of a hint to put in another offer (we put one in a couple of weeks ago that was 'too low' so the vendors didn't even budge from their asking price, but it's amazing what happens in two weeks!).

    Anyhow, these are just our experiences – it varies widely.  But it's all part of the fun :)

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    Here is a link to the Victorian Residential Tenancies' Act 1997:
    http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/vic/consol_act/rta1997207/

    According to section 26 of the Act, all written tenancy agreements must be in a standard form.  A copy of this standard form can be found here:
    http://www.consumer.vic.gov.au/CA256902000FE154/Lookup/CAV_Forms_Residential_Tenancy/$file/TenancyAgreement.pdf

    The only limitations on a tenancy agreement is if it is either less than 60 days in length, or greater than 5 years.  The Act does not specify that it is up to the tenant, or that it has to be either 6 or 12 months in length.  This is a furphy.  Sounds like your property manager is a lazy bugger who just wants the least amount of work for their money.  I'd be looking elsewhere if I had been given this info by my PM!

    Good luck!!

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    Definitely go for a QS.  We have used Australian Tax Depreciation Services for each of our four properties, and I can strongly recommend them. (And no I'm not an agent for them or a relative!)  They come out and do a site visit plus the schedule for $495, and are just excellent in terms of customer service etc.

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    You should be able to get most of this stuff for free through the Department of Commerce's website:
    http://www.commerce.wa.gov.au/ConsumerProtection/Content/Real_Estate/Renting_and_tenancy/index.htm

    You will need two copies of the lease agreement (either fixed or flexible, whichever you go for), and a copy of the Schedule 2 to give to the tenant (this is required by law), and a joint form 1 & 8 (to lodge the bond with the Bond Administrator).  Just click on 'Publications' (in the green bar up the top of the page) then on 'Forms', then scroll down to Building and Tenancy.

    There are also property condition report templates available on the site, although it's usually easier long-term if you draft one up that suits your property.

    Why pay for this stuff when it's already available for free??

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    Oh my.  This is an interesting topic!

    We bought a 1×1 apartment in the WA suburb of Osborne Park a couple of years ago.  While OP is not that bad overall, the apartment block itself was a bit of a blight on the landscape.  Extremely high proportion of tenants, most of whom were very dodgy types (we heard the block recently referred to as 'Heroin Heights', which seems appropriate.)  The unit itself was beyond revolting, but this was one of the reasons we went for it – structurally fine, just needed a complete reno throughout, which we did.  We bought for $172K, spend about $15K on renos (we did a lot of the work ourselves) and today, it's worth about $230K.

    Interestingly, over the last two years, the tenants have changed from drug addicts etc to young families…. it's definitely cleaned up, in terms of residents.  It has a completely different vibe compared to when we first bought there.

    We've had mixed results with this one.  Good points:  excellent capital growth, due to a combination of OP's proximity to the city and the renovations we did; very manageable mortgage due to the low purchase price.  Bad points:  extremely poor/inactive strata council, meaning very little is actually done in terms of exterior maintenance (gutters peeling incredibly badly, lots of other stuff I won't go into here); the apartment itself is too small (45m2), which we should have worked out ourselves before we bought it; and as we bought and locked in to a high interest rate at the time, it's CF-, despite getting $300/week rent for it!

    Really my key concern from an investment perspective is the fact that it's a one bedroom.  We are looking at selling this and our other 1×1 (also in OP, although a nicer area) to buy a 2×1 instead.

    Anyhow, that's been our experience.  Mixed, basically.

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