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    Again I'm not an accountant, but the good ones seem to advise against claiming interest on capitalised interest.  I don't think capitalising it's bad – quite the contrary.  But to keep my nose clean and beyond reproach, I wouldn't claim it.  The ATO seeks and destroys schemes designed to avoid tax, so if that is the goal, forget about it; but as my wise peers have already suggested, if it's a necessary means to a different end, get individual advice from an accountant, and even seek a private ruling for yourself!

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    My understanding is this has been thoroughly tested, and although I can't quote quote anything, the guideline is you can't claim interest on interest, only on the original cost.

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    Buyer beware. It's a very sad, unfortunate situation.  Let me share some sunshine.  I know a private day trader (took private investor money in 100k increments and played the markets) who lost everything – and was responsible and displayed incredible, independent integrity.

    He sold his assetts to pay back his investors, when he could have closed down the company and kept his houses, which were protected from such an event.  He has since bounced back, and is now a financial planner.  Mistakes don't make us untrustworthy, failings don't make us failures.  Our responses to life's curve balls are what identify men from mice, and integrity from insincerity.

    This isn't a one off.  I know of at least one more development company director who did likewise, and it wasn't even his responsibility, but he didn't become bitter or selfish.  If only THESE stories were on tv.

    What's sad is that future good advice and opportunities may be missed by people now too scared to trust anyone, and that has robbed those nice people as well. Buyer beware.

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    Yeh, I've had clients who regretted dealing with them, and another who claimed they offered him a 20k cash back on an investment purchase.  Those people walked away because it sounded too good to be true.  I believe they are essentially property marketers, although this is hearsay and I have nothing but experience with other (unscruplous) company which smell very similar.  My advice is seek out and compare a few more.  There are a few along the Pacific Hwy service road between Fitzy's and Fernwood in Loganholme.  If they still seem like substance instead of slick, great.

    Guaranteed rental returns have to be costed in.  If there are no risks, it's usually because the profits can cover the guarantees, as opposed to good research and management.  Good luck!

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    Hi Sdem,

    I reckon most members of this forum would agree there's no such thing as a dumb question as we're all at different stages of experience in different areas of property investing.  In fact, if there was such a thing, a dumb question is cheaper than a dumb mistake!  So keep 'em coming.

    Count up all the ongoing costs of an investment: loan interest, rates, body corporate, maintenance, landlord insurance, property management, and anything else you can think of; and then add up all your cash coming in: rent, tax refunds… and that's about it!  If your cash coming in is greater than your cash going out, you're cash positive (in my opinion). Some punters only count loan interest, but the definition is not as important as knowing what you're really putting in your pocket or paying out each (average) week.

    Cross collateralisation or cross securitisation is where all your properties are security for all your mortgages.  I don't think it's the end of the world to do so, especially if you have a long term view to your holdings.  Properties can be discharged individually as long as the remaining properties are acceptable security for your remaining debts under the lender's policies.  The bank selling everything up from under you is likely to only happen if you fall asleep at the wheel.  If things aren't going well, it's better to pre-emptively refinance or partially sell off so you can stay in control.  That way your sales aren't "mortgagee fire-sales", and you have less pressure and can get a better price.

    It's also less suitable if you're already planning on selling one or more in the next few years.  It's easy enough as an alternative to borrow up to 80 or 90% against each property and allocate the funds to new or different investments.

    As to being locked in to one lender, if the lender's got great products, rates and service, is that really a problem?

     World Changer's absolutely right about get backing up on the horse.  The greatest risk is doing nothing.  Get great advice.  So best of luck, and don't forget to research each decision well, but not so well that your head spins and you get information overload and end up doing something out of impatience.

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    You really to need to see a good mortgage broker and get personal advice.  This forum is great for tips and directions, but not complete solutions.  Ask all your friends if they've ever used anybody who'd they recommend you should use.  It seems like you know what you want to do, and you just want it to be a good idea; so do the research, and do it the best way you can, with full knowledge of the costs and benefits before you do.  Nobody here has really got the full picture, and it might take a 1-2 hour chat before you can really decide.  One of my mottos is good advice is worth paying for, and it's served me well.  Sit down with someone reputable, decide on a plan, and follow it through.

    Best of luck, Dave

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    Hmmm. Is that a quote from the guidelines?  I'm certainly open to being wrong, and thankful for the heads up if so. 
    It certainly is news to me though…

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    Mrman wrote:
    I'm guessing this only applies if you completely pay off the first PPOR?

    I'm also not sure if it would be a better idea to get an Investment Property Loan and save the
    FHOG for later. If purchased as PPOR the interest is not tax deductible until property is converted to IP?

    Cheers
    George

    Ah… no.    Anytime you borrow money or redraw money from a loan, the only thing that makes it deductible is if you borrowed it for business or investment purposes (the purpose test).  The nature of the security property is completely irrelevant.

    Also, FHOG rules clearly eliminate you from claiming it if you or your spouse/partner have ever owner any kind of property in Australia. You can't get it even if you've only owned an IP.  It's not the 'First PPR Owner's Grant'  (sadly).

    Your last sentence/question is true: interest on a property is not deductible as a PPR, unless and until you convert it's purpose to investment.

    Happy hunting,

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    OK.  Make sure you get an estimate (can only be indicative in early stages) of the total costs including mortgage duty and lenders mortgage insurance so you can count the cost and weigh it up against the benefits.  Emotional benefits are still important.  Cash flow relief is very valid, and if you make sure you've got some flexibility, you can up your repayments when times are better without changing anything.

    Any variable rate you can get less than 7.5% is good at the moment, depending on the features you're also wanting like an offset account, splits or redraw.  The standard rate is what banks advertise so you can appreciate the discounts they offer, and is 8.07% at most lenders at the moment.

    The benefit of a .35% discount on $225,000 is $65 / month – were you including savings on the consolidated car loan?  If sensitive to cash flow, add up the current repayments on all loans being refinanced, and compare to the new loan repayments to assess the real help it may be.

    Another method of conserving cash is going interest only for 5 years – sounds horrific, but doesn't mean you can't pay off the principle any time you can spare the cash.  It can give you a little discretion about when to use the breathing room and when to pay off more than the interest.

    Hope this helps more,

    Dave.

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    Hi George

    There are three main ways to make use of extra funds to benefit your mortgage. Line of credit, redraw, and offsets.  The line of credit is a fully transactional mortgage whereby your loan is more similar to a credit card with extra zeroes in the credit limit, and anything you pay off the balance can be immediately accessed via any method you imagine: phone, internet, ATM, EFTPOS, or cheque.  The redraw facility on a normal term loan can be very limited with high fees, or can be nearly as flexible as the line of credit.  The offset account is where your savings are physically separated from your debts with a separate account and statement, but directly benefit the debts interest charges.

    If you are considering turning your property into an investment in the foreseeable future, you will want maximum deductions, and any money redrawn/withdrawn from a line of credit or via a redraw facility will only be deductible based on WHY you withdraw it that time.  If you withdraw for your groceries or any other non-investment purpose, you will not be able to claim the interest on that money as it's considered 're-borrowed' for personal use.  The clear choice is an offset account because you can benefit your mortgage without actually paying into it, and thus you won't be reborrowing it if you access it later.  Of course, take tax advice from an accountant familiar with your personal situation and goals, not a forum!

    7.55's a competitive rate, just make sure you also compare FEATURES, not just rates.  The obvious question for you is "Can I make extra repayment without penalty", and, "Can I access payments in advance of the scheduled loan balance?"  Ask your broker to present and compare at least two or three different bank's products, features and rates.  Sometimes it's worth trading features for rate – sometimes you can have your cake and eat it too!

    Many fixed loans aren't very flexible, so consider splitting your account with a small variable portion (to minimise the impact of rate changes) as these are usually more flexible – again familiarise your self with the features and fees of each loan after settlement.  A 0.25% rate rise will only increase a $50,000 variable loan by $2.41 per week.  This way you can go hard on a variable portion while all but ignoring the fixed 'split'.  Of course, if you have a 100% offset account, it should be as flexible and accessible as a regular savings account, except every $1 in balance is saving you interest every day.

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    Hi Passnby,

    If I may add my two cents worth, I do mortgage and finance advice for a living. What other have contributed is pretty sensible for the most part.  The maths of refinancing when you have to pay Lenders Mortgage Insurance (anything over 80% of your home value) doesn't really justify the potential short term savings.  If there's a different goal, eg relieving cash flow pressures, a significant purchase etc, that needs to be weighed with the fact of the extra costs – is it worth several thousand dollars of extra debt which you have to pay off one day?

    With your car loan and the wisdom of consolidating, IF the current repayments aren't uncomfortable, consolidating the debts AND the repayments means you'll pay off the car loan quicker and cheaper because you keep making the same repayments while the interest charges reduce with the lower rate.  THEN when that portion of the debt is gone, KEEP making the payments that have been not uncomfortable for 3-5 years but to your remaining, and you will hose it down!

    It's fantastic to assess each year, but this year it seems from what you've said cooling your heels and waiting for capital growth to take Lenders Mortgage Insurance out of the equation would be a sensible idea.  Perhaps the best advice would be to ask friends for referrals to a reputable mortgage broker or two and get a second or third opinion from someone who's fully assessed your circumstances and options.

    Best of luck, Dave Pellowe

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