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Well im sure our wages wont be the ones keeping up with this prediction. x $54k by 4 = around $200k P.A
I believe that $8 is an underestimate. Remember, there is no one silver bullet guys. http://mpegmedia.abc.net.au/news/audio/twt/200807/20080711-twt-02-csiro-report.mp3
Remember little old me?
Environmentalists say a CSIRO report predicting the price of petrol could rise to $8 a litre in 10 years should serve as a wake up call to the public and governments.
RobL wrote:I generally try to stay out of the chicken little discussions …Ormeau, you really need to have a look at western world fertility rates and the balance/approach/future of (past) NATO countries (all old news).
100 Million baby humans globally P.A. And your right we dont have a problem. All the best then.
devo76 wrote:ormeau wrote:Ah yes, breed breed breed, more humans more money right? You just don't get it do you? Exponential growth. 6.6 billion, then 7 then 8 then………oppsOK OK then can i pitch a tent in your little garden of eden you have planned.
Mate ive got it. You im afraid have lost it.
But it takes all types to make the world go round i guess. I hope for your sake you are right otherwise you have lived your life in fear for nothing.Good luck with the impending armageddon.So were do you think your food comes from genius? A CAN?
I am a farmer, so whats the biggy on that you debt burdened human? Life doesn't begin at Woolworth's MATE
And you can pitch a tent but I doubt if you know how, perhaps you could pitch it on the middle of the M1?
Ah yes, breed breed breed, more humans more money right? You just don't get it do you? Exponential growth. 6.6 billion, then 7 then 8 then………opps
Good to see you have debt "Mate". Take care.
I do have faith my friend, unfortunately if we were to continue our current lifestyle the action to avoid this new depression should have been enacted 20 years ago. There is no magic wand to save our current growth my friend. oil was $65 a barrel in January 2007 now 16 months on we are at $143 and i still look around and see no innovation considering our transportation costs have increased 60%. So when do you think we will be saved? I would really like to know.
For what its worth, i can say that i am far more optimistic than most considering the knowledge i have amassed concerning the upcoming collapse, I have put my plans in action to soften my own personal blow. I have sold my suburban properties and purchased a drought free farm, on deep water with ocean access and close rail. Talk is cheap and I hope your still around on this forum in 12 months time to ask how we might rebuild this mess we have created, I look forward to a debate and wish that I could see the look on your face. You seem to know more than me.
Take a look if you dare and tell me what you see before you try and lecture me with your unsubstantiated ramblings. http://www.abc.net.au/science/crude/
Interesting story from Forbes,Sky-High Oil Will Make U.S. Go Broke
Charles Biderman, TrimTabs 06.23.08, 7:00 PM ETStratospheric crude oil prices precipitated by speculation are wreaking havoc on the U.S. economy.
Based on income tax withholdings data from the Daily Treasury Statement, the wages of all U.S. workers on payrolls were unchanged on a year-over-year basis in the past two weeks (Friday, June 6 through Thursday, June 19) and rose 1.1% year-over-year in the past four weeks (Friday, May 23 through Thursday, June 19). Both of those growth rates are well below the 2.8% year-over-year in May, and they are consistent with an economy that is contracting sharply.
As long as oil prices stay above $120 per barrel, the economy is more likely to slow than strengthen, and companies are not likely to announce much float shrink. With real wages falling, large numbers of jobs being shed, gas prices exceeding $4 per gallon almost everywhere and home prices falling about 1% per month nationally, this year is going to be tough for American consumers.
Believe it or not, there is plenty of oil in the world. What is in short supply are investors willing to go short oil futures. The open interest on oil futures worldwide is 2.6 million contracts. With oil prices at $135 per barrel, each contract is worth $135,000. To control $135,000 of oil, investors have to put up no more than $10,000.
A hefty $1.3 billion per month flowed into commodity trading advisers (CTAs) in the first four months of this year, and $700 million per month flowed into commodity exchange-traded funds (ETFs) in the first five months of this year. Those amounts do not even include investments through other vehicles by hedge funds and pension funds. The latest issue of Barron's reports that $55 billion flowed into commodity investments in the first quarter of 2008, and probably at least one-third of that amount was directed into long-only investments in oil.
In any case, if half of the $2 billion per month inflow into CTAs and commodity ETFs were used to go long oil futures, it would be enough to go long 100,000 contracts, which is equal to 4% of the open interest on oil futures. In other words, open interest would grow roughly 50% per year just from inflows into CTAs and commodity ETFs.
What is happening now is not demand destruction, it is a financial disaster. The U.S. consumes 21 million barrels of per day. At $135 per barrel, the U.S. spends $1.0 trillion per year on oil, which is equal to 15% of the $6.8 trillion in take-home pay of everyone who pays taxes. If oil prices rose to $200 per barrel, the U.S. would spend $1.5 trillion per year on oil, which would be equal to 22% of take-home pay. Moreover, those percentages of 15% and 22% do not even include the cost of coal or natural gas. In other words, the U.S. will be broke long before oil prices hit $200 per barrel, and the rest of the world would be sure to follow.
Another way to put the oil crisis into perspective is to compare increased spending on oil to inflows into savings and investment vehicles. For every $60 per barrel increase in the price of oil, the U.S. spends an additional $450 billion annually, or $38 billion per month, on oil. In the past twelve months, the inflow into savings and investment vehicles–bank savings, certificates of deposit, retail money market funds, and all long-term mutual funds–was $744 billion, which is $296 billion more than the additional money the U.S. would spend each year on oil if the price of oil rose by $60 per barrel from its current level.
From April through June, the inflow into savings and investment vehicles was $35 billion per month, down 43% from $61 billion per month in the same period last year. In other words, the U.S. will generate almost no savings if the price of oil stays at $135 per barrel. If the price of oil rises even modestly from its current level, the U.S. will be operating at a deficit.
If regulators raised the margin requirement for oil futures to 25% from no more than 7.5%, the oil market would crack. Unfortunately for oil users, regulators are unlikely to boost the margin requirement, unless outside pressure becomes unbearable, because the income of commodity exchanges and traders would plummet.
But there are two other solutions to the oil crisis.
The first is requiring major players in the oil futures market to disclose their total positions of all kinds in crude. Given the importance of oil to the U.S. economy, everyone should be able to know who is going long crude oil in a big way. Institutional owners must report what stocks they own at least semiannually. Why should they not be required to report the amount of crude oil they are long?
The second solution is for oil consumers to make a concerted effort to go short oil futures. The U.S. government has been spending $280 million per month, pumping 70,000 barrels of oil per day into salt caverns. Instead of buying oil, why not go short 35,000 contracts monthly at $8,000 per contract, in other words selling high the crude we bought relatively low? What if other major crude oil users also went short oil futures each month? What if the Japanese government, airlines, trucking companies and utilities spent several billion dollars to go short oil futures each month until the oil market came to its senses?
It is insane for the world to go broke while oil traders and a handful of gangsters who control their national oil production make huge fortunes.
Oil is the key to doom guys, $143 record again. Watch it, and be afraid. War soon.
The idea is not to import instant money (Millionaires) but to introduce skilled migrants to infiltrate certain areas that are stagnant to our economy to boost national production in order to increase profit.
Gheez guys
Australia catches no ones cold anymore, we are in the middle of the greatest resources boom in history. 21 million individuals reside in a land mass 90% that of America, and we now have 2.5 billion new buyers we never had before! CHINDIA!
Lucky country, America is no longer the centre of the Earth guys, Saudi Arabia took 1.5 trillion dollars in crude oil profits last year, so were does that leave the US? One word " Suckers" literally I may add.
The transitional shift of funds has long begun. Shame I have not heard any more about Steve's launch into the US property market. Last I heard (2 years ago) that it was all "Happy Dayzzz". Watch the fingers.
CHIS wrote:The deal of the decade comes along every week in property. You may have to sort through hundreds/thousands of properties, but now more than ever they will start to appear.
Now is bargain hunting time.
What is a recession? Merely a transfer of wealth
Interest rates of 9% aren't extreme compared with the early nineties where people were falling over everywhere.And what is a permanent depression? We will all find out within the decade I can assure you…….. Oh look, yet another story of the upcoming collapse tonight!
"Oil could hit $US200 next yr: Caltex chief" http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/06/23/2283441.htm
Also, listen to a Billionaire ex oil man, he must know a thing or two?
T. Boone Pickens: we peaked last year, globally.
Jon Chown wrote:I was interested in this report. What do the other analyists on this site have to say about this. Is he real?This Gentlemen i am afraid to say is grabbing at straws. Tars sands.Hmm let me think. At maximum production and at best, the greatest result possible would be 4.9 million barrels a day. One barrel of energy required to process the tar would return around 1.2 barrels this would then mean around 1 million barrels per day going to market. Not to mention 2 barrels of water for the processing for every barrel.
The reality is this, the largest oil field ever found is called Ghawar in the Middle East, its was discovered in 1947, and has never been topped. The reality that must be dealt with is not an economical/financial challenge, it is a geological one. We use 86 million barrels of crude per day, that's over 1 Billion barrels every 12 days. We now have 2.7 billion Chindians that our now becoming affluent, we all now how this is going don't we? America makes up for 6% of the worlds population and consume 20% of the worlds reserves, they peaked in local production in 1971, Australia peaked in 2001, Britain peaked in 1999, Mexico in decline and Russia with only Saudi keeping pace and war torn Nigeria.
The light sweet easy to extract oil is gone, now its down to the dirty hard to find goo.
You do the research, do the math, the links are there to find the truth and that guy on Youtube is talking through you kno what.
Have a listen to Matt Simmons http://youtube.com/watch?v=4IwtAQzrfiw interview from last year when oil was at $80 and why was oil at $9 a barrel in 1999 and now $135? Speculation? Can we say the same about gold? Property etc? This is a finite resource with growing numbers of consumers.
Do yourself a favour my friends, dont put your heads in the sand on this one, there is a way to make large gains in property, you only have to look toward the future to get the jump.
Please read away, http://www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net/
neilfrasersmith wrote:Don't take any notice of this fool. He did the same on the Somersoft forum and got told where to go.One thread wonder, so I suppose you watched Richard Heiburg being interviewed by Kerry O Brian on the 7.30 report tonight then? Google his name if you want some reading material on the comming oil collapse loser.
Dan7 wrote:VERY INTRESTED WHERE CAN I GET GOOD ADVICE ON INVESTING IN NATURAL GAS, OIL AND PRECIOUS METALS AND WHERE CAN I PICK UP THIS BOOK.
Patriot soldier is on the money. One of the best if not the best informative sites is http://www.latoc.com they have many books/dvd's etc full of information readily available for purchase via Amazon etc.
I would also strongly suggest you become a member of their forum, plenty of links for investment advice and the contributors/members are of a high standard.Yes mate, sounds like you have a sizable chunk of equity and your not over extended. if your rents/tax are cutting it even then hold and stay mate. Why pay tens of thousands in fees etc for sell/buy again?
That would be financial suicide my friend.
Natural Gas, Oil and precious metals exploration companies. Pick up some books like "How to thrive when oild hits $200 per barrel"