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    Why is it people, you seem it necessary to debate the comings and goings of the Aus property market? If you deem yourself as intelligent as you portray on these boards with your testerone filled muses then surely you must realize with any logic that you may possess the realisation hat this is a duel one cannot win?

    In 2 billion years the sun wont be able to provide the voltaic energy to sustain enough warmth for sustainment of life anyway. Get real you self centred bunch of meaning making racket playing robots.

    Fools game.

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    harb wrote:
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    So I say to you all :

    Don't poke Scamp!

    I know You don't really mean that. Besides, this thread is in the Help Needed !section and if Scamp doesn't need help then who does ?
    Wasn't there some ABC reporter on this forum looking for a story not that long ago ? How about a story about a young migrant arriving here from a civilized European country, his grandiose dreams and the culture shock of landing in a banana republic. The daily struggle for survival in a typical aussie backyard, putting up with red-backs and funnel web spiders and the occasional king brown and tiger snakes crawling from under the fibro rented house. Then after a hard day's work renovating a lovely blue asbestos cottage the constant lookout for stingers,jellyfish, blue-ring octopus, sea snakes, sharks and saltwater crocs while trying to cool himself down at the beach in temperatures of 44 degrees plus. Finally when the sun goes down and he goes to bed thinking that he can now finally relax the Encephalitis and Ross River virus carrying mosquitoes come out to play. We could just call it SCAMP, get Michael Caton to host it and it could become more popular then Backyard Blitz and Hot Property put together.

    Or we could just ride the fed-ghetto's of Zimbabwe or Queens New york? I that's were you're at in Oz……… You need to move!

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    ummester wrote:
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    they are just a reflection of the general greed levels

    I can't disagree with that – which is why I am sure that socially, even more than financially, the property market in Australia has to correct in the order of 30%. Greed is killing this country and oddly I have never cared as much about it (never was very patriotic) until I could see it dying.

    Now that's passion! The men and women who defended this great country of ours during the world wars would be turning in their graves if they could see what we have created for our children, dog eat dog, foot on head bunch of who gives a fuck about anyone but me people.

    Its every Aussies given right to have a roof over their heads, not some profiteering cockroach's determining the market, banks, property developers and share holders. Its all about the profit right? Fucking scum.

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    Don't leave wars out either, they have a way of reducing population in the flick of a switch. But viruses are the big leveler. At the end of the day yesterday is history, tomorrow is mystery and that's why they say the present is a gift.

    Just do what makes you happy guys, there ain't no right or wrong to whatever one chooses to do as long as we don't hurt each other. With the way we are trashing this planet guys, it ain't gunna make a pinch of difference what anyone decides to do with their brass here.

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    Rents will play catch up as they are, then prices will rise unless we hit an oil fuelled recession.

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    And i thought I was the trouble maker…………………….

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    Form an orderly line here for your rent-free cardboard box

    http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,24122154-23375,00.html

    THE WRY SIDE: Jonathan Porter | August 04, 2008

    HAVE you heard of jingle mail? It's the practice in the US of sending your bank manager the keys to your house when you can no longer pay your subprime mortgage.

    Instead of hanging on despite crippling mortgage payments, you find an envelope (any old one will do), put your house keys in it and mail them to the bank.

    Then you pack up the missus, the kids and the pets and begin your new life in a cardboard box under a highway overpass.

    Before the move, as you are packing, the banker arrives, lifts your flaxen-haired daughters' chins and says: "No need to take the little ladies."

    Your bad home loan — and of course, your daughters — are now the bank's problem.

    In housing-poor Australia, flogging the house wouldn't be a problem for the bank, not with new immigrants driving up our housing prices.

    But in the US, with its huge population and huger housing stock, selling the millions of houses that have suddenly come on the market is a problem. And so is the reason for all those defaulters: peak oil.

    That's the idea that world oil production peaked in either 2005, or this week or next week, and we will soon be reduced to savagery. Which brings me to T. Boone Pickens.

    Pickens, a Republican oilman, says the US has finally found a problem it can't drill its way out of. Last year, Pickens predicted oil would surge to $US100 a barrel.

    Naturally, no one believed him at the time, instead calling for him to be captured by men in white coats armed with butterfly nets and placed in a rubber room (Pickens, not the men in the white coats).

    Now $US100 oil is a fragrant memory redolent of happier times, but still, sadly, no one is paying attention to Pickens. "He was right, but for the wrong reasons," grumble the experts.

    The US imports about 70 per cent of its oil at a cost of $700 billion a year, four times the annual cost of the Iraq war.

    "If we create a new renewable energy network, we can break our addiction to foreign oil," he says.

    Pickens says over the next 10 years $US10trillion will be handed over to foreigners. This will be the biggest transfer of wealth in the history if the planet, he says.

    Pickens's solution is to build wind farms in all the prairie states from Texas to North Dakota. These are among the windiest places on earth, Pickens says, and will free up the natural gas the US now uses to generate power. The gas will then be used to power the nation's car and truck fleet, reducing the nation's dependency on foreign oil.

    It's a stop gap that will give America the breathing space it needs to stop the Saudis repossessing (possessing?) the US.

    And it's not just Saudi Arabia. My good friend Frank Fukuyama seems to agree with Pickens. Talking about foreigners' cash reserves of US currency, Frank says China has about $1.5 trillion of US cash reserves, Russia half a trillion, South Korea about one-quarter. Now while this doesn't necessarily translate into military or other kinds of power, "a few hundred billion dollars here, a few trillion dollars there, and pretty soon you're talking about real money".

    So what will happen if the US doesn't adopt the Pickens plan?

    I can see a time when it won't have any more money to give to Saudi Arabia and it simply opts to send the Saudis the keys to the country, all because Americans are addicted to burning leftovers from carboniferous times.

    The former population of the US will then form an orderly line to head for a large cardboard box underneath an overpass among the sucked-dry sand dunes of the Middle East.

    As the Americans line up to leave the US, the Saudis will say: "There's no need to take the little ladies with you." Then they will pause and say: "Better leave the little boys and the pets as well."

    What does all this mean for Australia? We who are still paying our mortgages and whose houses are still worth something. I would say it's time to buy some canned goods.

    But maybe it's time we saved America's bacon, like they saved the French in World War II, and we saved them in World War I, World War II, Korea, Malaya, Vietnam, East Timor, Iraq and Afghanistan.

    We must all get behind Pickens's plan, get off the oil teat, send the US instead of China our natural gas and for God's sake look after their women for them.

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    crashy wrote:

    irrelevant, condescending, conceited, pessimism without a clue.

    "I went to Uni and all I got with this stupid t-shirt"

    If you want to impress people with big words at least spell them right and use them in their correct context.

    reminds me of the bar scene in GOOD WILL HUNTING.

    but you probably just copied & pasted the whole thing right?

    And your perspective means??????? Sweet F.A

    So do you still wear your STUPID T-Shirt?……Of course you do

    Lucky I have no need to impress. And lack the intelligence as you to use spell check courtesy of Bill G

    I bet the only bar scene you know is the one implanted in your mouth.

    Gobble gobble gobble.

    Turkey

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    ErikH wrote:

    Ormeau – I'm with crashy, your post is out of place and actually pretty low on facts and sound reasoning. One of the biggest empires of all times, the Roman Empire, did not fall apart due to depletion of local resources, but their decline was much more related to a decline in morals and increasing greed and corruption. I found "Empire of Debt" an interesting read in that it made the prediction a few years ago that the US was an Empire like the Roman Empire but that it's fiscal model was fundamentally flawed (Empire of Debt) and hence would self destruct and that it would al start with a collapse in housing. The authors also explored the similarities between the Roman Empire and the US in terms of the decline of morals. Interesting even though the book was 2-3 times as long as it needed to be…

    You stick with Warrens verbs sheeple. Good luck. And when the shit hits the fan and your stocking up on cockroach's for fodder why dont you give him a bell? He may just hand you a bag of flour……………

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    devo76 wrote:
    I think someone was not loved enough as a child. Or dropped on there head at a early age.If you believe that vomit why on earth are on this web site. Go hug a tree. Kiss a fish, bid farewell to loved ones. Seems to me you are wasting your last precious moments on this earth.

    Just some thoughts.
     As each superpower died in the past a new one was born right?. Australias turn at the top people YEAH YEAH.We have our own resources that the world want and need.Large areas of stable land,large gas deposites etc etc. We are looking quite good

    Another thought.
    From the power of the sun. Fire was discovered
    From fire we found use of metals.
    From this we harneseed the power of oil.
    So it appears to me that our next power source will be found using all three. Seems logical. Why would this process suddenly change.

    Chill out dude. Have a beer. relaxe,breath and live your life dont fear it.

    Perhaps I may have been dropped, but not drop kicked like you, your reply to a post shows your true grit. Grow up ankle.

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    Our world is on the precipice of unparalleled disaster.  This post is devoted to those that are aware of and wish to mitigate the confluence of forces that are soon to utterly shatter  our way of life, and our very planet. 

    Our civilization is the inheritor of forces that began at the dawn of history.  With the harnessing of fire came a realization of the power of the Sun.  The first Sun Cults awakened.
     The power of fire, combined with the added understanding of metallurgy, enabled a few, supported by superior weapons, to rule over many.  The hierarchal model of civilization began, rule over the multitudes by the few became facilitated thru use of institutions and harnessing the current superstitions of man. 

    Laws and courts were instituted as a means of justice, further instituting control of the populace.  Currencies were introduced, as a means to assure that surplus wealth was acquired via trade with the specie of the realm.  Religions were shaped, and managed, as a profitable means to build the desired stable society, yet those that controlled these religions were still cognizant of the power of the Sun. This thought form, or method of organization to maximize the utilization of available resources spread, and led to the early city-state models, such as Sumeria, Assyria, Babylon, and the Medo-Persians. 

    These civilizations, all built on the model of the Sun Cultists reached pinnacles, then succumbed to local resource depletion and empirical overshoot.  But out of the ashes, rose Greece, then Rome, along with the attendant evolved understandings of civil institutions.  Government morphed to a senatorial model, religion evolved from overt Sun worship to a polytheistic model, then the monotheistic model. But those that follow the Sun were still there, just rendered into the background, now far less visible, shaping society in the shadows, morphing the newly created institutions into enhanced control mechanisms for the multitudes.  

    Our current civilization is but the heir of this mostly hidden history, nothing but a further refinement of the visions of the early Sun Cultists.  But they created a monster, the institutions originally created to shape society, and tightly held, have now acquired
    entropy, a life of their own.  Everything has been rent asunder.  Money, once a store of value is now merely a marker of debt.  Religion is often a vehicle of hate.  Our courts do not dispense justice.  Our media does not inform.  Our leaders do not lead. The entire fabric of our civilization is based on growth, yet resource depletion assures that there will be no more growth; assures that the amount of available resources decreases. 

    Oil, the primary vehicle of energy, the substance that our entire world relies on, is now sufficiently depleted that no further substantial increases in production rate can happen.  The geologic reality is that this planet will never produce more than some 84 million barrels per day.  Ever.  This alone dooms this civilization, but when considered in the light of other key resource depletion, such as metals, food, and water, then the situation becomes even more dire.  Couple this with the rapidly explosion of our population and climate change and our situation becomes nigh incomprehensible. 

    This global depletion is a situation unique to human history.  There is no precedent, nothing history can teach us.  What history does teach us about regional depletion is ugly.  It ends the civilization.  This time its global. This civilization will collapse.  It will die.  We are watching the first signs now, watching the terminal disease progress all the way to final death. 

    Our institutions, having now acquired a life of their own, will continue to erode.  Resource wars are inevitable. Poetic justice and prophesy hints that this monster created on the Assyrian plains, and refined into near perfection in the empire of the Medo-Persians will turn full circle, and consume them, as well as the entire system created by the progenitors of the Sun, with the fire of the Sun. Reason tells us this scenario isn’t completely implausible, but, whatever our actual future, it is certain that all is not well.   

    By now you can infer what I am and where I am coming from. I offer an unique viewpoint on today’s events.  Love me or hate me; hang on every word or snort coffee thru your nose, you will find many of my thoughts hard to dismiss.
     Take a look, read, question.  Knowledge is power.  I hope you can gain understanding sufficient to aid your surviving the coming conflagration.

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    I wanna put my money on the big guy to put the little one down in the 1st round! Too funny!

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    rudyl wrote:
    Just curiously.  When looking at multiples of yearly income – anyone know what Singapore is?  I know their property is REALLY expensive.  And they seem to be doing well (certainly loads of buildings) :)

    One thing in their favour is they have one singular superannuation fund. "And no commissions paid to advisers"

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    If we end up with a 30% unemployment rate from the oil shock I am sure it will turn into an oversupply when our mortgage stressed Australians move back into Mum n Dad's and start living a more wholesome life.

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    ormeau wrote:
    Just wondering if any of the investors out there are preparing for peak oil? You may be aware that it has broken records yet again and could be as high as $90US P/B by Xmas

    What do you think the ramifications would be to our economy locally and globally when it reach's $200 US P/B in the next 3 to 5 years?

    Cheers,

    Graham

    So there is my original post back in September, now we are looking at $150 Per Barrel. See a problem here?

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    At the end of the day our economies are based on exponential growth, unfortunately the minority understand that the world is a finite area of habitable and sustainable limits on population growth. The laws of physics tell us that we are on a massive course of global correction for the dominant species. Has anyone here ever considered this possibility happening?

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    Free Beer Tomorrow

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    I believe Peak Oil is imminent and proven. I believe we have neither the will or the capability to prevent a collapse. I feel that our entire economy is based on an ever escalating consumption process and must be wiped clean if we ever have a chance at sustainability. I believe that we are in population overshoot and must have a reduction. I believe most everything about our current way of life is possible only because of oil and almost everthing will change. I believe Climate Change is a possible human extinction level event if we don't crash soon. I believe that nuclear war is likely in comming resource wars. There is no magic bullet.

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    Its okay to have Holland paying $3 for gas, they have shorter distances compared to Australia food mileage

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    So I wonder why the traders have jumped on oil since January? Hmmm, anybody? Because while they were doing their homework on peak oil the rest of the sheeple were worrying about buying ther next plastic pumpkin. The traders know we have peaked, they know there will be war between Iran.

    One thing I like about forums, you can always look back.

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